[Nematocyst]

Yours is a good explanation (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3795611&postcount=4750) of a potential problem with the Hogue J-frame grip plan, Uga.
That will be useful, me thinks, in discussions with Hogue.

Maybe a little competition between the two companies would make things interesting.Ah, that's the spirit. :D

[electrode1998]

Hey guys,
I just signed the petition and JT thanks for the holster info.

Later,
e'trode

[Headless]

Signed! Thanks for the link. Good stuff.

[Harvster]

191 pages!!! I think it may be time to change the name to the 642 army! Count me as the newest recruit. As of 3 PM today I am the proud owner of a shiny new 642.

[DAdams]

Welcome to the 642 Club where membership, no doubt, has its privileges.

We look forward to any questions you may have and welcome your active participation. I bet you will really like your 642.

[jt1]

Harvster - Welcome to the 642 club. We await you offical photos.

ALL - I have posted the petition in the 1945 to present revolver section at the S&W forum.

[Nematocyst]

Signed (#26).

Darn it: I forgot to add a comment,
and there appears no way to edit. :(

[Phydeaux642]

Harvester - Welcome to the clubhouse. Let us know what you think of the little beastie after your first range trip.

______________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[phreeq]

Signed. Thanks for doing this, jt

[DOUBLEDTX]

Anyone have photos of a 642 with a drilled front sight night sight installation?

[ranger58]

welcome, take a look at tucker's IWB, bought one awhile back that is how i carry my 642 all the time, leaves room in pockets for other stuff kind of nice, i do have the mika round nose also for pocket carry when i need to.:)



R58

p.s. order rough out if you do.

[MassMark]

Good morning fellow members and welcome all new 642-Heads!... :cool:
I am continually amazed by the life this thread has in it - credit it to the people. I am far from a regular contributor, (just not much to add), but read page after page with delight. If one can be proud of membership to an Internet community, this is certainly it. I do hope that folks keep a "642 Club Annual Shoot Barbeque And Post Range Grog Festival" in mind someday - would be a hoot, (pardon the pun Night Owls) to meet you all.

As for my 642, it just keeps humming along. I am a weekly visitor to my indoor range - where I sometimes just shoot a cylinder or two on the way home from work, or set up for some more serious range time. I am a student and believer in "point shooting". I rarely use the sights for target shooting, as I do not look at my 642 as a target gun. Part of this came out of early frustration at trying to use the CT's as a primary sight, (my mistake). Since then, the CT's have become an aid in self defense and I hardly notice them. I stopped trying for tight groups and high score and started focusing on "draw, point, fire, center mass, reload". I am far from accomplished, but have become fairly proficient - the 642 feels now like an extension of my finger - with a major bark ;)

Round count is hovering around 2,000 (in less than a year!). This includes over 1,500-rounds of Speer 135gr GDHP +P. I can't say enough about what a superb cartridge Speer has produced. I know there's literally a plethora of designer rounds for this fine little snubbie, but Speer has a winner in the 135. So far, no signs of flame cutting from the punchy 135 - though the gun is absolutely not looking new and pretty anymore - well, it's still pretty.... ;) The trigger is superb and though I support freedom to spend one's money as they see fit, I'm personally puzzled as to why folks modify their trigger - mine is as smooth as butter....As for carry, my Mika get's the nod all the time. With Winter approaching, I'll likely be searching for a belt carry rig and still am trying to solve car cross-draw carry.

Anyway, ramble over. I just wanted to say hello to all the fine members here and reinforce what a joy my Smith and Wesson 642CT has been and continues to be - it's proving to be one of the best firearm purchase I have ever made...Take care out there gang....

Mark

[jt1]

I am far from a regular contributor, (just not much to add)
MassMark - This statement is so far from the truth I just have to call you on it. A case in point is this line from the same post:
I am a student and believer in "point shooting". I rarely use the sights for target shooting...I stopped trying for tight groups and high score and started focusing on "draw, point, fire, center mass, reload"
As we have discussed previously point shooting is the way to go in most SD situations and most folks will revert to it by instinct as soon as the stress hits so it makes sense to train that way, and I do almost exclusively. Point practice along with Close Quarters Combat drills go hand in hand and are exactly what is needed in a real world engagements. So don't tell us you have little to contribute here:)!

Here are two good references for point shooting and CQC. This one is pretty much the bible of SD shooting and is highly recommend, If you have only one book this is the one to have.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA100006.jpg

This one is the Classic, some good point/combat in the last few chapters, but the whole book is great for mental conditioning and situational awareness.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA100004.jpg

There are some others worth studying as well, I'll post more later if there is an interest.

[electrode1998]

Hey MassMark,
I have an idea for your cross-draw-carry in your vehicle delima. Right now I simply stuff my pocket carry holster inbetween the seat and the middle section of my truck seat. The tight fit holds my 642 and holster perfectly with the butt sticking out perfectly right next to my right leg.

I also have it hidden by the right arm rest and I have practiced several times drawing and aiming and this system works well.

I don't know what you drive but this works well for a truck.

Hope this helps,
e'trode

[MassMark]

Jt1: - You are too kind! Thanks for the reading advice - will be picking up Col. Applegate's book ASAP. Perhaps it will help reinforce some of what I've been doing on my own.

e'trode: Thanks for the tip. I drive an Xterra and your option would be feasible, but I'm not certain legal here in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts - I'll have to check. Back pocket carry has been my only friend, (though a tad uncomfortable), while driving - I also have a messenger bag on the seat. I tried a crossdraw holster I picked up at a show, but it was all wrong. Going to keep up the search....

[Nematocyst]

MassMark,
I gotta agree with JT.

It's about quality,
not quantity. ;)

Nem (who may be scarce in the club house for a couple of weeks ...
BIG new project starting at work ... :uhoh: )

[ugaarguy]

still am trying to solve car cross-draw carry.
Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the CCR - Counter Carjacking Rig.
http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/product_line.html

[Nematocyst]

Uga,

I've been to every page on that link, but don't CCR.

[MassMark]

Nem: I had to look a bit, but found it through a Google search which led me to a direct link: Mitch Rosen CCR (http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/holsters/belt_holsters/body_belt_holsters.html)

Looks interesting, but expensive. I'm almost thinking of a Fobus Roto, but am unsure how I'll do with the paddle in that position - at least I can take it back if it does not work. Will have to talk to the "Money God" about this one....Thanks for the heads up usaarguy - looks like a sweet rig! :cool:

[jt1]

Mark - Have you ever used a Fobus? I recommend you stay as far away from them as you can. Good concept, very poor execution. They hold the gun so secure that half the time you cannot get it out and when you do it makes enough noise to scare the BG away.

[Bainx]

Just checkin back in guys after having surfed and read nearly 100 pages of postings of 642 owners.
I can tell you without reservation, the 642 is the gun I would have on me if I had no other.:)

[MassMark]

Mark - Have you ever used a Fobus? I recommend you stay as far away from them as you can. Good concept, very poor execution. They hold the gun so secure that half the time you cannot get it out and when you do it makes enough noise to scare the BG away.

jt1: Thanks for the heads-up! No, I've never used a Fobus. I have a Kydex from Uncle Mikes for my old, old Glock22, but never used anything by Fobus. Looks like the search continues.... ;)

[jt1]

MassMark - This one looks promising, I have been meaning to order one. Now you got me interested again so I think I will. I believe DA posted this one awhile back

http://www.activeprogear.com/model17.html

This one is interesting, but I think the Mod. 17 might be the way to go: http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/42.htm

Bainx - Welcome back. I doubt you'll get any argument about the virtues of the 642 here.

[Nematocyst]

I had to look a bit, but found it through a Google search which led me to a direct link: Mitch Rosen CCR (http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/holsters/belt_holsters/body_belt_holsters.html)

Mark, I see it now. Thanks.

Agreed: looks nice, but expensive indeed.
I guess if I lived and drove in
larger city bad neighborhoods regularly,
it would be worth it.

Nevertheless, I'll follow your cross draw holster explorations
because I've considered one for the mule.

...after having surfed and read nearly 100 pages ...Bainx, welcome back.

Hey, only 92 pages to go. :p

JT, that Applegate and Janick (http://www.amazon.com/Bullseyes-Dont-Shoot-Back-Applegate/dp/0873649575) book looks very intriguing.

It's getting mixed reviews on amazon,
but I wonder if those giving it negative reviews
are carrying j-frames.

Nem (just ending a long day at work ... sleepy time ... )

[electrode1998]

Hey MassMark,
I'm sorry I did not pay attention to the communist state you live in. Down here your car is legally considered an extension of your home so you can carry openly in your car. Although the way I have it in my truck is most likely considered concealed.
Give me a good reason to get my CCW permit so I can have permission to defend myself.
Since Hurricaine Katrina in 2005 our local crime rate has gone a little crazy. I wish New Orleans would take back what they sent us. Sorry about the ramble this is more suited for another forum.

Talk to you later,
e'trode

[MassMark]

e'trode: I bet it has - even way up here, things are getting hairy. From home invasions, to carjackings and beyond. Here, all I know for sure is that you must be "in control" of your firearm at all times and leaving it in a car is a huge no-no. I wonder if even my messenger bag on the seat is legal. The laws are so convoluted up here that it defies logic - demanding they be clarified often leads to more laws... :( Massachusetts - the state where revolution from tyranny was born, is a far cry from those pivotal moments in our history...

jt1: Those look more within reach, (pardon the pun) and I will add them to my list - thank you and thanks DA!

[Raspu10]

the more i see it, the more i want it.. :uhoh:

[DAdams]

Let me know what you end up with in a cross draw for driving.

http://www.activeprogear.com/model17.html

I have been thinking about this recently. Particularly since I am going to be driving 1000 miles over the next few days.

The fist is a nice looking rig.

BTW Always looking for clothing that makes for good concealment wear. This guy is doing a bunch of covert Government Gear.
I'll bet a X42 would hide away nicely in one of the pockets. Now if I could just remember which one I put it in.

http://www.scottevest.com/

[jt1]

DA/Mark - I just ordered the model 17 from active pro gear. Got free shipping :). I like the quick on/off feature. If it is any good I will order another as a weak side back-up. If not I'll try the FIST (probably will anyway). Report to follow.

...mixed reviews on amazon...
Nem - Just looked at some of the reviews, some seem valid to a degree and some seem to be the result of a quick reading of the material, this is the kind of book you have to study, it is somewhat repetitive but there is a reason for it. They are trying to instill the basics and for some folks (like me) it takes awhile to sink in. Interestingly, Mr. Jordon's take on point shooting is quite the opposite from Col. Applegate's in several major respects, and yet they blend together to form a very solid technique that works well for me.

[jt1]

I have reposted the petition announcement at TFL and DefensiveCarry.com.

All - The 642 Club Action Committee is pleased to announce that the Petition requesting the modification of the Hogue Monogrip to a shorter version (herein referred to as “the petition”) has been completed and posted on the web for signatures. It is located here:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/snubnosegrip

Everyone is encouraged to visit the petition site and record their support for this project. You may use your screen name or real name and record comments or not. We are posting this notice in the General Gun Discussion, Handguns, and revolvers sections of THR under the heading “Attention - S&W J-Frame Users” in order to inform all J-frame users of the petition and gather as much support as possible. If any members are subscribers to other gun forums please feel free to repost the petition notice as you see fit. Please post your intentions here in order to avoid duplicate posts to other sites.

[Raspu10]

How Much Are 642's Going For New?

[Harvster]

How Much Are 642's Going For New?

As of last Friday in PA $419. Not a great deal, but I think it was reasonable.

[308win]

$379 seems to be the floor in Central Ohio

[S.O.D.]

I just posted this in the J frame prices thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=273795

"I have been shopping for a new 642 in the north Mississippi/Memphis, TN area. Locally I can get one for $460, and in Southaven, MS (just south of Memphis) I can get one for $399 at Sportsman's Warehouse. Is $399 in line with current prices?"

I think the above posts answered my question.

[JUSTBOB]

They're on Gunbroker.com for $345 and up. With Crimson Trace, $530.

[U-235]

I joined the 642 Club a few months ago but am just getting around to posting. I've put about 250 rounds through it and so far am extremely happy with it. I put some CTL 405's on it and carry it in a Mika pocket holster (I have my MN concealed carry permit). I'm very happy to be a member of the club! Here is a picture from a recent session at the range.

[electrode1998]

Hey Ras.,
Here in Baton Rouge I just bought my 642 new for $399.

I looked at all the stores around and that was the going price. Some had it for a little more.

e'trode

[Stainz]

Hey Electrode, I heard the crime rate in N.O. was up as a result of the police confiscating private firearms right after the hurricane.

Price check here is the same $400 as elsewhere - at gunstores and 'Academy Sports' chains. This weekend's gunshow - 642 $430-$520; 642 CT $650-$760! DREAMERS?

I talked with the folks from GA Arms at that show... they think $9/50 for their #G38E 158gr +P LSWC is fair... of course, only on the bag does it mention 'HP'! I chrono-ed the very similar Remi's R38S12 at 840 fps from my 2" 10 - and the G38E's at 832 fps - pretty good, considering the Remi's are ~$30/50 now.

Stainz

[JonSmith]

I was in the Cabela's in Buda, TX this weekend and they had a sale on the
M442 for $379.00, don't know how long the sale runs.

[MassMark]

Welcome aboard! Glad you finally joined us! Isn't the 642 just awesome?!? How are you finding using your CT's? Anyway, welcome again - pull up a chair and set a spell.... :cool:

[U-235]

Hi MassMark,

I really like the CT 405's, the grip fits my hand well and they do a good job in soaking up the recoil. The laser is great, I shoot much better with it.

I am really happy with my 642 and am more likely to carry it because it is so simple just to put in in a pocket (in a Mika pocket holster). I am carrying more often now.

U-235

[electrode1998]

Hey Stainz.,
Yea the crime is up in N.O. since the legal guns were picked up by the police. Only the gang bangers, dealers, etc. are armed now. I don't go around Baton Rouge empty handed let alone N.O.

I never realy liked the place (N.O.) before Kat. came and I like it even less now.

Anyway it just gives me a great reason to buy more guns like my nice 642 and practice,practice,practice.

e'trode
P.S. sorry bout the downer comment.

[Nematocyst]

Overwhelmed at work ... just checking in briefly for some worthwhile (diversion) reading about one of my favorite guns ...
Just looked at some of the reviews, some seem valid to a degree and some seem to be the result of a quick reading of the material, this is the kind of book you have to study, it is somewhat repetitive but there is a reason for it. They are trying to instill the basics and for some folks (like me) it takes awhile to sink in. As an educator who purposefully builds some redundancy into his classes
who purposefully builds some redundancy into his classes,
I can relate to that can relate to that.

Interestingly, Mr. Jordon's take on point shooting is quite the opposite from Col. Applegate's in several major respects,
and yet they blend together to form a very solid technique that works well for me.I can relate to synthesis, also.

Thesis + antithesis = synthesis.

[blackwind Jeff]

Last week I picked up two 100-round boxes of Wally World Winchester wadcutter .38s. Say that ten times fast! On Sunday I went to my friend's farm, where he has a makeshift range.

Fired 50, well 49. One round failed, and it looked like it had been struck lightly. Rotated cylinder so it would come up again, it fired successfully. Later, a second round failed. Only it did so three times. Still looks like it was lightly struck. This is the first time putting $0.25 ammo through it as opposed to the $1.00 ammo it usually sees. Never a failure with the premium stuff.

A friend says I should tighten the hammerspring screw under my grips, but I am hesitant to make any changes. Do you have any recommendations? I feel like I should just forget about it. Also, he recommended 30 second waits after a misfire like I had. I didn't see a problem with the 5 seconds I was waiting to rotate the cylinder back. And no offense, but I sure as hell am not waiting 30 seconds in a "situation" before pulling the trigger again; I doubt I'd even wait fiVe seconds. Tell me if I'm nuts.

[Nematocyst]

I doubt I'd even wait fiVe seconds.
Tell me if I'm nuts.Yes.

Congratulations!

Welcome to the club.

:D

[Stainz]

The strain screw in an S&W secures and puts the pre-load on the hammer's leaf spring. It should always be tight - unless you are removing the spring. It is not an 'adjustment'! Of course, as it is only found in the K, L, & N frames, you won't have one in your J-frame 642 - it has a wound spring. Your problem could possibly be a 'cut' or reduced effort spring from an 'action' job by a prior owner - or a substandard firing pin. While most of my K,L,&N-frames are for 'fun' - and have reduced effort springs, marrying them to my Federal-primed homebrew ammo, my PD 2" 10, 296, & 642 were left stock - for insurance they'd pop anyone's primers.

If your revolver is a 642, call S&W's 800 number and have them repair it - they'll put standard OEM spings back in it, if needed, and replace the firing pin, if necessary - likely completely free. If it's a K,L, or N-frame, just take the grip off and tighten that strain screw. If it's tight, refer to the J-frame's instructions. It's best to hear 'BOOM' instead of 'click' when one squeezes the trigger during a 'fecal matter impacting the air movement device' event, even if it requires more DA trigger effort.

Also, in Rev101904 of the 'S&W Safety & Instruction Manual - Revolvers', there it is - on page 19 in bold red letters - "WARNING: THE REVOLVER WILL FIRE IF THE TRIGGER IS PULLED!". Duh.

Stainz

Hey, Nem... what do you teach? I am a retired college instructor from the Alabama Post-Secondary System (75-95).

[fiVe]

I doubt I'd even wait fiVe seconds. Tell me if I'm nuts.

As Tuco said--
When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk wait.

You're not nuts.

By the way, great use of the word fiVe.

[Nematocyst]

Jeff,

Just for clarity ... I wasn't very careful with my good-intentioned joke last night.
(Late night reading after a LONNNNNGGGGGG day at work ...)

I agree with fiVe: IMO, you're NOT nuts about your strategy. I'd do the same.

My quip about you being "nuts" was in the spirit of all of us being 642 "nuts" (in a good way). :)

And I agree also about your very creative use of fiVe. Caught that, and meant to complement.

You've come to the right place. ;)

Nem

[Brassman]

Jeff - you certainly have come to the right place. If you stay here just a little while, you'll find out we're all a little nutty. We hope you are finding yourself welcome here in the "642 Ward". Stay a while...

"Now, did I fire 4 or did I fire 5? Lucky....unlucky....lucky....unlucky. 4 sparks, or 5 sparks???... Man, these snap caps seem awful heavy.... Is my Mika in my back pocket or between the wall and the mattress?":confused::):mad::eek::confused::neener:

[Nematocyst]

<laughs>

[jt1]

...you'll find out we're all a little nutty...

Hey, Let's watch it, I resemble that remark!

[jt1]

OK folks, we have just over 600 members now and who knows how many lurkers but judging from the viewed count it is a fair amount. We need your support to get this Houge project petition going. We currently have 94 signatures and need a lot more. So take a few minuntes to add your name to the list. Goto the link, sign in, when you get to the donation screen just back out and you are done.

The 642 Club Action Committee thanks you for your effort.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/snubnosegrip

Everyone is encouraged to visit the petition site and record their support for this project. You may use your screen name or real name and record comments or not. If any members are subscribers to other gun forums please feel free to repost the petition notice as you see fit. Please post your intentions here in order to avoid duplicate posts to other sites. This petition is currently posted at THR, TFL, DefensiveCarry, S&W Fourm, The Gun Blog and the Gun Forum.

[fiVe]

So take a few minuntes to add your name to the list.

Everyone,

The action committee has done a great job here. Please "sign" the petition and support a very worthy cause.

R/fiVe

[blackwind Jeff]

Stainz - Thanks bunches for the info, this is indeed very valuable. It is a 642 in question, and I bought it NIB for the low, low price of 379 George W's +tx +NICS; all told $407. I just googled S&W 642 "light strike" and came up with this: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-145426.html. The first two posts made me feel a bit better, but I will put a few more through it this weekend before deciding what to do. Btw, that's W as in Washington, funny story coming soon.

Nems - No worries, mate! I rollz with the best of them. Also, I'm still determined to get you to laugh to the point of coffee going through your nose, if you remember ;)

The rest of ya -
It's the 642 Club!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mixed_nuts_bowl.jpg

OK, funny story: Years ago I worked at a convenience store. A clerk (I swear it wasn't me) working a store two blocks from mine (same chain) accepted, and changed accordingly as if for real, a forged $200 bill with George W's mug. That's W as in Dubya. Unbelievable. I've also had young customers think that a $2 bill was funny money. And my favorite (a rare occurance) was when a customer would pay with silver certificates. Thank you, come again :neener:

[Nematocyst]

Yep. That's (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Mixed_nuts_bowl.jpg) us.

I'm the peanut facing N-S at ~ 3 o'clock,
two nuts west of the almond,
just above the cashew.

:cool:

[Brassman]

There's a reloading press at the bottom of that bowl. I'm the pecan pulling the lever so all the other nuts will have something to eat at the round table, instead of bottom feeding......that could be profound....:rolleyes:

[MassMark]

I'm the nut with the medication.....Bartender - a shot of Haldol for all my friends... :cool:

[bhk]

Trigger reset issues:

Anyone have these with a new 642? My new 642 has this problem, although it seems to be getting much better with use. I have had several j-frames in the past and done have had this problem. I am assuming continued live and lots of dry firing will smooth the internals up enough to totally prevent the problem. I think I am almost there.

[Stainz]

What exactly is the 'trigger reset' problem? In a K,L, & N frame, a partial pull of the trigger - followed by a release and then a completely pulled trigger will often skip a live round - a normal DA result, not a fault.

I do have a heck of a time shooting my 642 SA... about as much trouble as trying to get my Ruger Vaquero or SSM to shoot DA... or, even better, it is tough pulling my 1895 Nagant's trigger in DA! It is fun watching others do that - no matter how often you reassure them it really is a DA-capable revolver - with a 20#++ trigger.

Back to my dungeon... time for more swill!

Stainz

[YosemiteSam357]

I've never heard of "trigger reset" problems endemic to the 642, but that was the problem with mine.

Bought 8/25. 3rd trip to the range it began misfiring in rapid fire (really, the first time I'd ever practiced rapid fire with it). Trigger wasn't resetting unless finger was completely removed from trigger -- would produce light or no strikes. Went back to S&W (via my dealer, with requisite delays) on 9/18. Got it back yesterday 10/18. They replaced the hand and firing pin, and "repaired" the sear. I haven't gotten a chance to shoot it yet, but it feels better. The problem exhibited itself in dry firing before, it doesn't now. The trigger pull does feel heavier than before. They ignored my request to disable the lock. :) And apparently my crunch-look muzzle wasn't bad enough to warrant a recrown or replacement. Still looks like crap.

I can say I'm impressed with the speed of S&W's warranty service. I'm disappointed I had to use it. I realize "stuff happens" with manufactured goods. I believe S&W currently has too high a failure rate and too low QC standards.

-- Sam

[jt1]

bhk - Is your problem that the trigger will not return to the forward position after firing? Do you have to push it back into position?

[bhk]

No. It seems to go forward ok, but (when I think about it) it may not reach the full forward position. Hard to tell. When I pull it back after a successful shot, it does not catch the hammer or rotate the cylinder. When I release the trigger and pull it again, everything is fine. I just dry fired about 60 or 70 times and it happened once. I think it is getting better.

Update:

Before I hit 'send' on this message, I dry fired another 75 or 100 times, and did not have a problem. I am thinking maybe there is a burr or rough spot on the rebound slide that needs smoothing out.'

Update #2:

Did some more playing witht my 642 and compared the trigger action to my other j frames. The trigger return is much more gritty and hesitant than my other j frames and occassionally hangs up just prior to absolute total return (I can force this to happen when trying to make it happen, but obviously is happening at other times too). This is, of course, happening with some finger pressure on the trigger after I shoot. It does not happen if I totally remove my finger from the trigger. This has not been an issue with any of my other Smith and Wessons. Still sounds like a rebound slide that need smoothing out (?). Anyway, it seems to be getting better by dry firing it.

[panamabrad]

just signed up. bought a 642 a couple of months ago. paid 339 with military police discount at tactical gear in forest park ga. shot 30 rounds saturday at the range. a lot more accurate than i thought it would be. not a bad kick either. carry in pocket. almost forget its there. great conceal weapon.

[jt1]

bhk - Hey dude, I'm all for wishful thinking and hoping it "gets" better too, but in a SD revolver you can't afford any FTF's. This is not normal and I know you don't want to hear this but it has to go back to S&W and get the once over. If it were a target gun it might be marginaly acceptable but for your SD EDC you know it's not. Please keep us informed of your progress.

panamabrad - Welcome to the 642 Club. We are happy to have you with us and look forward to hearing more from you. MP are you? Thanks for your service!

[phreeq]

Woohoo! Call me a little excited, but I was at the ranger earlier today with my 642. Second time out, and I managed to put 125 more rounds thru it (25 +p, 100 standard).

Still fun to shoot, still lets you know it's there when you pull the trigger (especially with the +p's).

Long live the j frame snubbies!

[Nematocyst]

Anyway, it seems to be getting better by dry firing it.Dry fire is your friend.

(Triple check UNLOADED status before beginning; :scrutiny:
dry fire in a direction where no one can be killed
... just in case you forgot to triple check. :uhoh: )

I'm the pecan pulling the lever so all the other nuts
will have something to eat at the round table,
instead of bottom feeding....<laughter ensues :D>

Long live the j frame snubbies!Second!

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=65200&d=1191816752

[panamabrad]

thanks for the welcome. no mp. i was a river raider. we supported the jungle school. we ran the lcms from ft davis and fort sherman.around noriegas time we were running operations from rodman naval station inserting seals with their zodiacs from our lcms. there is a web site called 1097th river raiders. it has a lot of history. check it out if you have time.

[jt1]

ALL – Here is a report on the Pro Active Gear Model 17 Driving /Crossdraw holster. I ordered this last Sunday and received it last Thursday. The price was $49.95 with 1st class shipping included. Since it was shipped from Florida and I am in Washington State the response time was very good. It is constructed from very heavy duty padded nylon/Velcro and is quite well made. The holster is made for the J-frame and fits perfectly. This is a right handed model to be worn on the left side of the body.


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160003.jpg


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160002.jpg

As you can see the holster attaches to the belt with a wide Velcro quick on/off strap that is easy to use and very secure, but makes quite a racket when separating and would be difficult to remove in a stealthy fashion without alerting everyone close by. The Holster is held securely on the belt and retention should not be an issue. While it does not shift position on the belt the holster itself moves around a little and the gun butt is not pulled close into the body as is the norm for a conventional concealment holster.


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160006.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160007.jpg

The retention strap is removable and can be located in any position. I found the best for me was over the top of the backstrap as shown above, but for an external or shrouded hammer J-frame a better choice might be around the trigger guard as shown in the photo in the Pro Active Gear website. The retention strap works well for securing the gun and releases easily as your thumb gasps the grip and unsnaps the strap in one smooth movement. The Velcro attaching the retention strap to the holster often comes loose when removing the holster mounting strap and it would be a good idea to sew them into place once you have selected a good mounting position.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160010.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160005.jpg

The holster weighs just about the same as a Mika round cut, maybe just a touch more and is a little bit thicker due to the wrap around mounting strap. The Wide nylon mounting strap is secured on both sides of the holster by Velcro and a piece of elastic on the back side. This allows a slight cant adjustment, however the more it is positioned away from the intended angle the more it will move around.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160014.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA160013.jpg

When used for its intended purpose as a driving holster it does a very good job. It is comfortable when siting and will not interfere with the seatbelt which for me rides just under the holster and presents no problems. The draw from a seated position is fast and positive and I was very confident after only ten or fifteen practice draws that I would be able to deploy quickly if needed. This is without question the fastest way to deploy from a seated position. As a carry holster it is somewhat of a compromise and while I realize it is primarily for in car use I carried it all day Saturday, to the grocery store and the mall. It will conceal fairly well with loose clothing and would be fine under a jacket but will not work with a tee shirt or anything tight.


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA180020.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA180022.jpg

Overall, As an in car holster it does a very good job and it conceals well enough for short in and out of the car activities. For longer periods out of the car it is probably not the best choice. While this is a serviceable car holster and preforms well, I find myself wishing it was made out of leather. The nylon works but it's just not the same. I will use this for now but I will be ordering the adjustable cant crossdraw leather holsters from FIST and Blackhawk and will report on them after the obligatory eight to twelve week waiting periods for shipping.

[Nematocyst]

JT,

Excellent review. Fine writing.

Just what I needed for a few minutes diversion from work on a Saturday night ... <checks time>, er, Sunday morning.
(What was I thinking when I decided to go into business for myself. Must've been a madman.)

Even before I read all the way through, I concluded what you did: has its place, reasonable price, but not for me.

Good timing for your review, too. I've been thinking more about a cross-draw holster for th' lil' mule.
I want to free up my right side for a high ride holster for the 65 (for in town) and a drop holster it (for camp).

So, I'd like a cross draw for my left side into that would fit the 642 glove-like.

In town, they could be a duo (say, maybe, Batman and Robin (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=65200&d=1191816752)), or when circumstances dictate, 642 could go it alone.

So, I'm in the market for a cross draw for mr. mule (well, as soon as the cash flow increases to a steady drip ...).

But, after having owned a couple of nylon holsters with velcro, I'm thinking I want something in black leather for Robin the Mule.

If anybody finds a good candidate, I'd love to hear.

OK, back to work. Only a couple more hours ...

Nem

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=65200&d=1191816752

[Raspu10]

jt1 that looks nice dude.

dang i gotta get me a 642, i've held one at the show.. felt good even know it was small, great looking gun 2.
awesome for a ccw, thats my intent for it.

[jt1]

Nem - I think this will be a really good one. Special order for the 642 but I'm thinking it's worth the wait. I have their speed classic and I love it.
http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.asp?P=4203&C=C0890

Here's the FIST, looks good too, and only eight weeks out.
http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/42.htm

I hate to wait....

R10 - Yea, best CCW going, you need to get one when you can!

[Raspu10]

I found one where i am from for around $359 new.. but i'm about $359 short of ... well $359. But I'm Going straight there when i get enough. Lol

P.S. I Got My Friend To Like It As well.. So Now 2 More For The 642 Club.

[Nematocyst]

JT, the Blackhawk looks closest to what I'm seeking
(basic leather, no high tech bells),
but I don't see the 642 listed in "select weapon";
in my browser, it only lists bottom feeders.

Do you know something about it I don't?
Custom jobs?

R10, you'll like this revolver.

[MassMark]

Jt1: Excellent review on the PAGM17 - thank you! Living in the sticks, I'm relegated to dial-up, so I sipped my coffee while the pics loaded at 26.4, (sad isn't it?) - it was well worth the wait! I'm left wondering whether this unit will be "good enough" for now until I can save my pennies for the higher end. At 6'4" and 265lbs, I need all the concealment I can get, so this unit does not quite stack up for my frame, but I'm awash in loose-fitting shirts, so I may give it a whirl.

Thanks again for your time, expense and excellent photos and write-up!

Mark

[Iggy]

A couple of other options for consideration for car carry and possible cross draw.




http://www.holsters.org/incar-holsters.htm

Or Andrews Leather

http://andrewsleather.com/carjackerx.htm

I don't know if either is available for revolvers.

[MassMark]

Iggy: Thanks for posting those - Option#2 from Andrews is within my budget, (as far under $100.00 as possible). In looking at the FIST system, I like the way it rotates to belt carry for wandering outside the car....

[Iggy]

MassMark,

I'll be real interested in your evaluation of the Fist #42.

I am looking for something in leather to use as driving, cross-draw and appendix carry.

The fist might just fill all the requirements, IF retention is adequate.

[MassMark]

Iggy: I think I may bite the bullet and order it. I need something and like the idea of rotating it up for better concealment. Anything has to be better than sitting on my 642 or risking it in a messenger bag....

[jt1]

Look at this one:

http://www.ccwsupply.biz/RossM23DrivingHolsterPAGE.htm

[Iggy]

jt1

Interesting, veddy veddy interesting!!:)

[MassMark]

I never do well with choices.... :)

[jt1]

That's why I just buy all of them :).

[electrode1998]

Hey Jt,
I LIKE IT. When funds allow I will have to get one since I need a car carry holster and I was about to buy a SOB holster for about 50 bucks.

Thanks,
e'trode

[jt1]

e'trode - Which one is it? I think we have about six going on right now!

[jt1]

All this holster talk......makes me thirsty.....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/beer-holster.jpg

[Iggy]

Thar ya go!!:D Now we're gittin' somewhere!!:evil:

[phreeq]

All this holster talk......makes me thirsty.....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/beer-holster.jpg

Since the Mika seems to be the official holster of the 642 club, should this be the semi-official alternate holster?

[Moccw]

Kramer pocket holster, and kramer iwb holster also, works for 642 and also model 60, very comfortable holsters

[jt1]

Moccw - Welcome to the 642 Club. We are glad you have joined us and are looking forward to your input. Yes, Kramer makes some of the finest leather available no question about that. We are currently looking at holsters designed especally for driving. Kramer makes a nice crossdraw but not one specifically for driving that has an extreme cant to facilitate setting in a car and dealing with seatbelts and also provides for short term use and concealment for in and out of car activities. Our search continues....

[electrode1998]

Hey jt,
It is made by DeSantis and is formed to fit the S&W J frames. I don't remember the model number but it is on the website and at Cabelas. I think the local Cabelas had it for about $48. I'll try to post a link--something I have not tried yet--later.

e'trode

[DAdams]

Finally got around to picking up a pack of two Model 580 Bianchi Speed Strips for 38 or 357. Came from CTD.

The Quadratic Equation is now complete: 642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi = 642 Head.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/PA230003.jpg

Note the 2~2 split as recommended by jt1.

[jt1]

DA - Welcome Back:
The Quadratic Equation is now complete: 642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi = 642 Head.
Could Read: ...642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi + 642 Club= 642 Head.

[ardito40]

Hello Everyone!

I just bought my 642 a little over a week ago. I've only taken it to the range once so far. I have found the trigger too difficult to pull with one finger and have ordered a spring kit for it. But, as some posters have observed, it seems to be getting easier with some dry firing. Not to mention the 70 rounds at the range.

I had heard that dry firing was not good for guns, but the S & W website says it's fine for the 642.

I should probably mention that I'm a middle aged female, 5'1" and about 115 lbs, and that I'd never shot a gun in my life until 2 1/2 weeks ago. I'm sure the trigger action is not a problem for most men, as well as women who are used to it.

I was able to find it on sale at Vance's in Columbus, OH for $569.98 (with CT) plus tax. I checked online at several sites and find that without even considering shipping, I found a great deal.

I've enjoyed reading all your posts and knowing that my FIRST gun is a much respected, much carried model.

[jfh]

I'm impressed that a MAF would wade into a crowd of gunnies like this one is. You'll find, I think, a willingness to help another 642 / j-frame shooter in this group, and in the THR forums as well.

Have you seen the "cornerdcat" site yet? There is a wealth of good advice for shooting from a woman's perspective. Its author is one of our (emiritus) moderators, and she is an excellent source of tips and advice. Here's the link--http://www.corneredcat.com/

My own two-bits' worth of advice: I would NOT worry about changing out the springs yet. It will probably not reduce the pull enough to deal with your problems--and it is possible it could lead to unreliable ignition as well.

Instead, I would focus on building your hand strength. This can be easily done by order one of those spring / finger exercisors; they come in three different strengths, and maybe you should buy at least the two lower-strength ones. Here's an amazon link for you--

http://www.amazon.com/Gripmaster-Exerciser-Tension-5-Pounds-Finger/dp/B0006GBDZY/ref=pd_sim_sg_shvl_title_2/104-7317027-6055169

When I started shooting my j-frames this spring, I found my hand tired easily, so I got one of these and started "working out." Five months later--with only intermittent 5 minute 'workouts' for a couple of months (but with LOTs of practice--literally, 1000s of rounds), finger and hand strength and trigger pull is no longer an issue.

And, if you have not done it yet, since you are an older novice shooter, I would advice doing at least a "Basics" handgun course, and a second one that provides more range time and some instruction. Bad shooting habits are easy to pick up early, and any help in avoiding that will make you a better shooter much quicker.

So, what prompted you to get going with handguns--and a specialty item like this one?

Again, welcome to this group and to THR. Any questions, just ask....

Jim H.

[straight-shooter]

ardito40, I just picked up a S&W 649 for the wife. Basically the same as the 642 just all stainless. My wife is about your size also and is having trouble with the trigger. I ordered the Wolff spring kit and hopefully it will be here tomorrow.

My other suggestion was to her is to buy one of those items in the exercise dept. that she can squeeze and strengthen her hand and fingers up.

DOH, jfh beat me to it.... :neener:

[fiVe]

642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi + 642 Club= 642 Head

I believe this is the more accepted version among mathematical 642 professionals. :D

[fiVe]

ardito40: Thank you for honoring us with your very first THR post and an extra special welcome to you. I'm sure gunwife (and any other lady members I don't know about) really appreciates your joining.

Regards,
fiVe

[glockman19]

Moccw,

Welcome to THR & the 642 Club.

[jt1]

A40 - Welcome to the 642 Club. We are happy you to have you here with us. I will agree with all that has be said and will add a bit more.

If at all possible do not change to a lighter spring set. You might not have any trouble with them, but they can cause light primer strikes sometimes resulting in a failure to fire. This is not good for a self defense gun.

The issue is really with grip and trigger finger strenght and both these will be overcome with dry and live fire pratice in short order. The firing will smooth out the trigger action a great deal and help you establish a good hand position that will also help. While it may seen you get a lighter pull after awhile, the spring weight does not change, you are just getting stronger.

One the issue of dry fire, although S&W says its ok, those who know about such things (Old Fuff, et al) recommend the use of snap caps to insure no damage results as you are firing without any support under the firing pin and with no primer to hit the other parts of the action must take the impact they are not desgined for. They are also good for loading drills and many of us use them. They will be available at your gun store or on the net.

One of the best things you can do is change out the stock boot grips for a set of Hogue Batnam grips. These do not have the thumb shelf and are easier to establish a proper grip for smaller hands. While you do not mention it being as issue, a proper grip that fits you well will help in recoil management a great deal.

If this is to be a CCW have you given much thought to the mode of carry? Many females automaticaly opt for purse carry, however you may want to rethink this issue as off the body carry can present more problems than it solves.

Again, welcome and we hope to hear more from you here at the clubhouse.

[DAdams]

Instead, I would focus on building your hand strength. This can be easily done by ordering one of those spring / finger exercisers

This is true. I have been exercising my hand/grip on both hands when I drive. I just use a foam rubber Florida orange someone gave me at a trade show. I have been doing it for a year now. My grip is crushing and triggers even on the worst handgun are now like H&K LEM putty in my hands. :rolleyes:

ardito 40 welcome. That indeed is a great price. You should be doing time for robbing Vance's. :D

I was able to find it on sale at Vance's in Columbus, OH for $569.98 (with CT)
Did yours come with the smaller CT 405s? They are a great grip and the Crimson Trace adds the "unfair advantage". And not to mention the Cool Factor if they have the S&W logo. :cool:

Originally Posted by jt1
642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi + 642 Club= 642 Head

I believe this is the more accepted version among mathematical 642 professionals.
That would be the Quintatic Equation as postulated by jt1 seeking the long sought after evolution of the Quadratic Theorem 642 ~ CT ~ Mika ~ Bianchi = (Mass Marks) 642 HEAD Put forth by DAdams. :confused: Yet?

[ardito40]

Thanks to all you kind folks who sent your welcome and info. Much appreciated. I will try to answer all your questions.

JFH, no I haven't seen cornerdcat site yet. That will be my next stop.

Thanks for the advice on the spring kit. I realize that strengthening my fingers and hands is important and have a "squeezy thing" to help. I've been ill for months and am quite wimpy right now. But both my boyfriend and I found the "kick" to be bruising in crotch of hand as well. Considering he shoots .45s, it was a surprise to him!

I've been thinking that learning to shoot and getting a CCWL would be a good idea since I moved into Columbus proper in January. Time constraints (full-time college student) and opportunity had stymied me. Wonderful new man in my life has convinced me it's time, given me the opportunity and provided support so that I will be taking my CCW class in 2 weeks. He has been training me well in the meantime.

Why this particular gun? He wanted me to have a small revolver .38 or greater with enclosed hammer so it wouldn't get caught on purse, pocket, holster.

Straight-shooter - cudos to your wife. Seems like this is THE CCW to carry.

fiVe, glockman19 - thank you for your kind welcome

jt1 - I do know about the special caps available. I will purchase soon. I don't want to change stock boot grips (hopefully I know what that means) as I spent the extra $ for CT.

Mode of carry? Because of who I am and how I must dress, purse is the best option. I realize the danger of having my purse taken from me. Found website with purses designed for that purpose. Regular purse will not work well enough, in my opinion. I can't wear baggy cargo pants in my profession. Good option for casual though.

And I like your quote about your friends. Hahaha!

DAdams - See above. Working on fingers. (piano teacher and typist, evidently not the same type of strength)

Just so everyone knows: I did NOT rob Vance's! However, looking at the websites, I'm beginning to wonder myself!

I have no idea about "smaller CT 450s". I do have the "cool factor" though. My CT grips are original, the gun is new and has the insignia.

Again, I thank you all for the warm welcome and the great information.

And now, a quote my beloved sent me, from George Washington:
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself- They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable... The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."? George Washington

[Nematocyst]

<Comes up for air momentarily after two weeks of business hell.
I haven't worked this hard since ... since ... grad school.
Why, why, why did I think going into business was a good idea?>

Ardito, we're glad you're here.
Yes, Corneredcat is excellent reading.
Highly recommended.

642 + CT + Mika + Bianchi = 642 Head.<Puts on math teacher hat.>

OK, it's clear we need an algebra review.

Quadratic equations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation) are those with at least one "squared" term.
That means there must be at least one term (the parts between the "+" signs) that has an exponent of 2.

That equation is linear (no exponents other than 1).

Thus, the equation needs revision.
You're going to need at least one squared term to be a quadratic.
Otherwise, it's linear, and linear is boring.

OK, I've got to go back to work.

See you next week.
Pop quiz on differential equations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_equations)
(which are required to calculate acceleration differences between 135 gr v 158 gr).

Nem

[fiVe]

((642 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club = 642 Head∑ <-- not sure what N-ary Summation(that last symbol) is, but it looks mathematical

If the above is correct, it will become the official 642 Club Quadratic equation. (per kiNg fiVe's decree, boring linear equations are forbidden here)

[Nematocyst]

Ah, much better.

Yeah, that exponent of 2 on the Bianchi does it.

Now, at the risk of offending our kiNg, and being beheaded by ... hmm, who is the official beheader (?), may I suggest:


∑ means "sum of", so it might be better on the far left side.
And one might consider putting the exponent on either "642" or "642 club", since it'd be better for them to grow geometrically than holsters. (Unless you want only 1 642 but multiple pocket holsters to carry it in ...)


Something like: ∑((642² + CT + Mika) + Bianchi) + (642 Club)² = 642 Head

With a little algebra, we might simplify that, but I'm back at work after only 3 hours sleep, so I'll have to pass for now ...

[jt1]

Nem - I believe the (Bianchi²) refers to two speed strips. This would be the recommend carry.

...calculate acceleration differences between 135 gr v 158 gr...
Are we not specifically concerned with the terminal deceleration of said missles?

I think the issue here is the excessive amount of sleep you are getting ;)

[Nematocyst]

Ah, yes, JT, speed strips. Got it. Makes sense.

As for acceleration/deceleration, at the ranges that most of us use these revolvers, I'm most concerned with acceleration. :)

And yeah, sleep ... remind me again, please: what's sleep?

[S.O.D.]

jt1 I had to add a story to your lucky shot thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=282690

[fiVe]

Ok, how about this?


∑(((642 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club) = 642 Head

[jimk66]

Hey Everyone, I was talking to a guy at the range today and he was trying to tell me about a 38 HP round made for the little J-frame Airweight 642 for defensive carry. I think the load was pretty light/w 115 or similar weight bullet. Any of you guys know what he's talking about?

Thankd,
JimK

[Phydeaux642]

I never have posted a pic of my 642, so, I'll do that now along with another pic of my new 442. I changed the grips on both. There's just something about that retro look that I like.:D

_________________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[Phydeaux642]

Hey, JT, look what I just picked up. I haven't had a chance to go through it yet, but I couldn't pass it up seeing how it was a signed copy.

___________________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[Phydeaux642]

All of this talk of formulas reminds me of this one - Area formula: A=(pi)r2. But, when I mention this to folks where I'm from they are quick to remind me that "pie are round, cornbread are square".:neener:

_____________________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[jt1]

S.O.D. - It takes a wise person to know it's time to quit while you're ahead.

fiVe - ∑(((642 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club) = 642 Head: I think that's it!

hjimk66 - Was it this round? http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corbon%2038%20Special%20Ammo.htm

Phydeaux642 - Now that's a real treasure, signed by Mr. Jordan! How come I never find deals like that. Take good care of it...Cornbread^R²...:D

[MassMark]

Ardito40: Welcome to the "First Post Brotherhood/Sisterhood" of the 642 Club! I too made my first post on this very thread and it's nice to have you here!

fiVe: I love the equation! It should be put into record as the official equation of The 642 Club! I cannot take credit for much in this world, but I do believe I coined the term "642 Head" way back when and the thought of having an equation attached to it gives me further pride... :cool:

[devilc]

How about trijicon sights added to my front post?
Advice?
Pointers?
Thoughts?

[fiVe]

To MassMark: Please accept a heartfelt, thread-wide, official 642 Club thank you for coining our beloved title "642 Head". (post #3862, page 155) You are a wordsmith extraordinaire, and you are officially charged to take credit for this!


Because of MassMark's superb work, I am able to make the following official 642 club proclamation.

The official 642 Club quadratic equation is:


∑(((642 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club) = 642 Head




So let it be and heretofore it is thusly recorded in the 642 Club Blog of Knowledge (http://642clubbok.blogspot.com/).

Peace to you all,
kiNg fiVe

[callgood]

I should have noted the page my 642 post is on. I'll never find it!

On occaision I have been using this under shirt from 5.11 for 642 carry
http://www.511tacticalhq.com/productimages/550_750/40011_010_1_ugr.gif

It's a 5.11 product I got from Streicher's http://www.511tacticalhq.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Catalog=511_UnderGear&Category=TOPS&Prod=RR-411

I fell between two of their sizes so got the smaller one. It is very snug so it doesn't shift. Not the fastest access, but very concealable.

ETA: I have ordered several items from Streicher's and am impressed with their fast delivery. 2-3 days via USPS to my PO box.

[MassMark]

fiVe: You are truly something else - thank you for the accolades. I just had to explain to my coworkers why I'm chuckling and grinning from ear to ear, (it's unusual at my office)... I think they initially thought I was surfing for NSFW, but just rolled their eyes when I explained what thread I was reading, (they are hopelessly anti-gun). I have however made inroads with one of my coworkers who now enjoys an occasional lunch at the indoor range near here. Victories no matter how small are still sweet....

devilc: I'm not sure how it would work out - I would imagine that it would take some doing. Some are using paint to highlight their front post. I'm going the opposite route and am working hard to ignoring mine altogether...

[jt1]

devilc - Welcome to the 642 Club. It's good to have you here. As far as sight modifications to the X42's (we are talking X42's?) it can be done but here are a few things to consider. Your gun will have to be modified by milling off the existing sight, milling a mounting slot and drilling for a pin. The big dot and other similar sights being installed on the M&P and other new J-frames do have their place and are a significant improvement over iron sights for aimed fire, and that's the real issue here. As alluded to by Sir MassMark the very nature of these guns dictate their use as a close in, point and shoot self defense CCW's and in the real world at typical SD ranges with the stress and time factor it is unlikely the sights will even come into play. There are some of us here that train almost exclusively in point shooting and close quarter combat drills and with just a little training the accuracy and speed that can be achieved is quite impressive. So from my perspective lasers and improved fixed sights fall into the same category, nice to have, usefully under some circumstances (especially the laser, could be a lifesaver under specific conditions but also can contribute to poor basic skills if used too early in the training cycle) and one more thing to break/worry about. I have actually been considering milling off the front sight altogether, but I have not reached that point yet.

callgood - Welcome to the Club. We are happy you have aboard. Interesting products from 5.11, I can see applications few a few of them.

Sir MassMark - Congrats, NSFW?

[DAdams]

∑(((642 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club) = 642 Head


Nice work on completing the Adams~fiVe~jt1~MassMark~Nematocyst Postulate.

Anyone else who had a hand in this step forward.

devilc and callgood, welcome to our asylum.

5.11 Nice undergarment, for carry. I think they would do a great job of concealing both my 642 and my man boobies. :uhoh: Er I mean my massive pectorals.

devil, once you price out the night sights it might be more cost effective to put on a set of Crimson Trace grips. Total cost of ownership might even be less, but with the CTs a number of issues are addressed. Grip, felt recoil, day and night effectiveness, psychological deterence etc. Just a thought. I agree with jt. it probably will be a very fast point and shoot event. I do like the Trijicon tritium sights (big dot) on my 340, which has CTs also.

[Harvster]

Equations?!

I think some of you guys are a round short of a six shooter if you know what I mean. ;)

[MassMark]

Harvester: Don't I know it....And I work in mental health for a living... ;)

jt1: NSFW = Not Safe For Work.

[Nematocyst]

... the Adams~fiVe~jt1~MassMark~Nematocyst Postulate ...

Now known worldwide in the professional mathematical literature as the A5JMN postulate. (Pronounced "A 5 jammin' ")

:D

[Phydeaux642]

I think some of you guys are a round short of a six shooter if you know what I mean

Not only am I a round short, sometimes I think I'm loaded with Snap Caps.:D

________________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[S.O.D.]

There is a local pawn shop with a used no-lock 442 for $399. They seem to be firm on the price, but would probably knock $25 off for cash. I know I can buy a new 642 for the same price at a Sportsman's Warehouse. I really don't have the expertise to evaluate used guns, but this one has some visible wear to it.

What does the club think? Should I go new or used w/ no-lock? If no-lock, what do I need to look for to evaluate the gun? Also, how would I know if it is +P rated?

Thanks in advance for your help. Robert Mika e-mailed me today to tell me he is starting work on my holster. I will post pics of whatever I end up buying to fill it up.

[ardito40]

Oh dear! I didn't know that math was required for this site! I can handle language and music, but MATH??? Houston, we have a problem!

[ardito40]

Ladies, I would like to hear from you concerning your opinion of and experience with the S & W 642 hammerless. I've only taken it to the range once so far. Both my boyfriend and I found it "bruising" to the crotch of our hands. I found it difficult to pull, especially compared to his single action 38.

What do you thinK?

[DAdams]

I think some of you guys are a round short of a six shooter if you know what I mean.

Speaking of six shooters. It's Friday night and so far, one Sam Adams, One Sierra Nevada PA, and now a Flying Dog Classic PA. Ahhhh. Things are getting better by the round.

I have to deal with heavy duty reality on a daily basis. Sorry I just got off on a tangent.....:scrutiny:

Tangent to a general curve. A "formal" definition of the tangent requires calculus. OOps, sorry.

Now known worldwide in the professional mathematical literature as the A5JMN postulate. (Pronounced "A 5 jammin' ")
:)


S.O.D. I would rather have the new 642-2 but, that's just me. I'm not convinced the lock is a deal breaker, it can always be disabled. I have two snubs with locks, I dislike the looks of them more than their functional aspect. If I had kids around it would be a plus. I just think the no lock is priced to high. $300 maybe at the most. Does it have papers and box?

Phydeaux, where did you come by the signed copy book?
Nice pics and nice shoes on the ebony and ivory twins.

[Phydeaux642]

DAdams

I was perusing the interweb one evening and decided to stop by Ebay, something that I don't do much these days, and lo and behold this signed copy of the book was listed. I bid on it but was outbid. The reserve wasn't met by auctions end, but the next day I had a second chance offer that I actually missed. I emailed the guy and asked him if the offer was still good and he said that it was and that he would list it again with a "buy it now" for the same price he had offered it to me. Well, I just couldn't pass it up.

___________________

"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[jt1]

I think some of you guys are a round short of a six shooter...
Harvster - Thats why we carry fiVe shooters!

S.O.D. - Unless it is NIB I agree it is too much, Some folks will pay more for a pre-lock, and I would not mind having one, but it is not much of an issue now for me. My lock does not function anymore, I cleaned it. As for the pressure rating look at the model number on the frame under the crane arm. Open the cylinder, you will see it. A X42 with no - is not rated +P. A X42-1 or X42-2 is rated +P. All X42-2's should have .38 S&W SPCL+P on the left side of the barrrel, Most X42-1's will as well, but some of the early ones do not. For a good primer on checking out revolvers read the sticky posted at the top of the page on the revolver forum index:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430

[DAdams]

So jt1, how goes the HMG Project? How many signatures to date?


Well, I just couldn't pass it up.

That's a great find. A treasure for certain. Good story too. It almost got away twice.

Thats why we carry fiVe shooters!

Here, here, I'll drink to that. Cracks another SNPA.

[fiVe]

(Pronounced "A 5 jammin' ")

Thats why we carry fiVe shooters!

Such quality content! Another reason I love this place.

[lssable97]

Petition signed #124.

[Nematocyst]

Cracks another SNPA.FiVe, I mean, your majesty,
may I suggest that our sergeant at arms
may need to be temporarily relieved of his duties
because he's had one too many micro-brews ...

{... and didn't share a **** one of them with the rest of us!} ::cuss:

Me? Only the finest: PBR.

But only in moderation. :scrutiny:

Everything in moderation,
including ... moderation.
_________

There are some exceptionally fine posts in the club house tonight.

But, even though it's Friday night,
we can't let the guard down.
Stay safe out there.
___________

Oh dear! I didn't know that math was required for this site! Ardi, no worries: we keep the math real simple here
(and make up what we don't know ... :uhoh: ... :cool:)

Now, what's all this talk of tangents & calculus?

delta x/delta t?

or maybe just dx/dt?

Why, that relates to the acceleration thing with 135s and 158s.
Oh, no, wait, acceleration is d^2X/d^2t.
dx/dt is velocity.
________

OK, back to work.
But only for another hour ...

[jt1]

Oh dear! I didn't know that math was required for this site!...
Ardi - It's ok...you just need to be able to count to...(wait for it)...fiVe...:D, Seriously, don't let our rather unusual humor influence your first impression of this group. The membership here is the best you will find anywhere, and it appears you will fit in quite well...

DA - The petition goes well, as posted lssable97 is number 124 (thanks to all who have signed) and I think we will get a few more. I was originally thinking we would have a larger response but on reflection I guess this is a fairly good number for the limited exposure we have. Guess we will submit to Hogue when we get a few more?

But, even though it's Friday night,we can't let the guard down.Stay safe out there.
Yes, I'll second this...situational awareness, active defense, check your six...

[Nematocyst]

...don't let our rather unusual humor influence your first impression of this group. Unusual humor?!

Hey, I resemble that remark!

:D

OK, it's 1:15.
I'm done for the day.

Bed time.

<642 comes out of OWB and goes into
the Mika at the head of the mattress ... >

[S.O.D.]

Thanks for the info DAdams & jt1. I guess I knew that $399 was too much, but I am getting sick of waiting to get up to Memphis to buy the new one. I feel like a kid waiting on Christmas.

On the other hand my CW permit probably won't be here for another two months. They hold it for 120 days in MS. I guess I can wait two weeks and still have plenty of range time before my permit gets here.

[rdrancher]

S.O.D. - There is a local pawn shop with a used no-lock 442 for $399.

I picked up my 642-1 (no lock) NIB for $400 out the door. It's sitting here in my pocket as I type.

I much prefer the no-lock versions and am looking for a 442-1 at present.

Good luck with your search.

Math???...I must be dreaming;)

rd

[ardito40]

Yes, I think if we are 642's, we are a round short of a six shooter. Or was that an attemp at a pun and I missed it?

Nemo -
"ardi, no worries: we keep the math real simple here (and make up what we don't know ... ... )

Now, what's all this talk of tangents & calculus? delta x/delta t? or maybe just dx/dt?

Why, that relates to the acceleration thing with 135s and 158s.
Oh, no, wait, acceleration is d^2X/d^2t.
dx/dt is velocity."

See what I mean? Velocity, acceleration, tangents, calculus!!!! Though I will admit to the occasional tangent. I'd like to stick with jt1's "It's ok...you just need to be able to count to...(wait for it)...fiVe" That sure works for me!

[Nematocyst]

Ardi,

You're at home here. :)

Some of us are just math nerds and like to banter a bit on occasion in math-speak. Just ignore us.

Speaking of banter among cyber-friends, let me clarify something from last night:

FiVe, I mean, your majesty,
may I suggest that our sergeant at arms
may need to be temporarily relieved of his duties
because he's had one too many micro-brews ...

{... and didn't share a **** one of them with the rest of us!} :Just for the record, even though I'm sure our friend DA knows it, that was just that: good natured banter on a Friday night.

I have no doubt that if I was hanging out at DA's house, we'd be discussing 642s and other ... um, calibers of air weight revolvers :rolleyes: over good brew.

OK, back to work. It never ends for me these days ... relief is in sight though (and not a day too soon ... :scrutiny: )

[jt1]

I'd like to stick with jt1's "It's ok...
Ardi - Yes, Always best to stick with a winner....Hey Nem...:neener:

[Nematocyst]

No argument, JT. ;)

[Nematocyst]

Oh, no, wait, acceleration is d^2X/d^2t.Speaking of acceleration,
has any body noticed :scrutiny:
how fast #5001 is approaching?

fiVe, sharpen the pencil, bro.
You've got a speech coming up ...
____________

OK, as I see it,
we're going to need
major fireworks for 5001.

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smiley-flamethrower-2.gif

And a band.

A world-class band.

Hmm. I'm wondering:
if a 642 owner was to choose
a world-class band to play for 5001,
who would it be?

[hunter55]

Hey Nema - how about Guns & Roses, or even better, 38 Special.

[DAdams]

Speaking of banter among cyber-friends, let me clarify something from last night:


Quote:
FiVe, I mean, your majesty,
may I suggest that our sergeant at arms
may need to be temporarily relieved of his duties
because he's had one too many micro-brews ...

{... and didn't share a **** one of them with the rest of us!} :

Just for the record, even though I'm sure our friend DA knows it, that was just that: good natured banter on a Friday night.

I have no doubt that if I was hanging out at DA's house, we'd be discussing 642s and other ... um, calibers of air weight revolvers over good brew

Yes, even the SAA gets a night off now and then. Should such an event have arisen that required a clear head and judgement I would have defered to the "Mod on Duty". Or, one of many of our merry band. ;) I hope I did not pose a bad example to the impressionable amongst us. I will refrain from such references in the future. :cool: I wondered where the lampshade went.

[fiVe]

fiVe, sharpen the pencil, bro.
You've got a speech coming up ...

Already in the works.

[jt1]

If we work at it maybe we can get #5000 and page 200 all at the same time.

[Nematocyst]

< ... subtle chuckles, followed by full-on laughter ... >

[jt1]

It appears that every page has 24 posts, regardless of length. According to my math (one...fiVe) that will put # 5000 as the #4 post on page 201 :(, maybe I am wrong.

[bkastel]

I found this forum today and I'm pretty excited to learn from other's experience with a S&W 642. I'd like to introduce myself and give a little history.

I have only had my CCW permit for 6 months and so I'm a little new at it. In the past couple of months I have done a lot of research and shot many carry guns before I decided on the 642. I narrowed my decision to a revolver vs. a pistol mostly due to simplicity and reduced chance of misfires and accidental firings. I tried a few Glock models before deciding. I may be wrong but I needed to go with something I felt comfortable with in my pocket. The hammerless design helped my peace-of-mind level also. Next I wanted something small yet powerful to take control over a bad situation if needed. I tried the S&W 340 with .38, 38 +p, and .357 rounds. The .357 rounds felt like I just caught a line drive with my bare hands. I knew I would never shoot those in real life. I did like the lightness in my pocket though. I then researched bullet ballistics for expansion, protection from over penetration, and some legal concerns and came up with 2 choices - Federal's PD38HS3H in the .38 special or P38HS1 if I wanted the +P version. I then tried the S&W 640 and found that it served my needs and didn't seem that much heavier when carrying. I also thought that the extra few ounces of weight made for a little less abuse on the recoil. Although it wasn't a "fun" gun to shoot it was manageable as a conceal gun for me and so it was purchased. I've been happy ever since. I've added a Crismon Trace 405 laser grip and typically carry it with BlackHawk CQC SERPA level 2 holster. I've fired about 150 practice rounds through it and I'm pleased with the accuracy.

I'm sure I'll have many questions from all of you and the next time my thread won't be so long. Sorry about that. Thanks.

[ardito40]

Oh I want to be in on it! I'm a trained vocalist. I can sing the National Anthem along with the band!

Plus, my minor at college is journalism, so if you need help with that speech, fiVe, let me know.

Do any of you let your 642 wives on this thread? Still waiting to hear a female perspective.

bkastel - From one newbie to another, according to all the posts I've read so far, we've made the most brilliant choice of CCW possible. You don't think they're biased in any way, do you?

I don't have my license yet. Less than 2 weeks til my class. Then hopefully my delightful boyfriend won't worry so much about me. (Yeah, right, I know, it's a guy thing)

JFH - I've been to the cornerdcat site - thanks

jt1 - what is Bianchi? Would that speed strip be a rubber pre-loaded strip to carry 5 extra rounds in each? What about the round ones? Is that better for a revolver? Be nice, guys. Remember, total newbie here!

And just what "gr" rounds and ammo type should I be practicing with at the range? I tried wad-cutters and found them to be less punishing than regular FMJ. Any opinions? Oh wait! That was a silly question. I have a feeling you are all quite opinionated! Nonetheless, I appreciate your vast experience.

I leave you with another Jefferson quote from my beloved:

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one. - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764.

[jt1]

bkastel - Welcome to the 642 Club. You are in good company here and we are pleased to have you with us. Although you list a S&W 640 as your final selection, I will assume that is a typo and you have the 642. It seems you certainly did your homework and I can tell you your decision was a wise one. I like the Blackhawk line as well and the SERPA is a great system, I have been considering one for awhile. I currently use a Blackhawk Speed Classic for belt carry as I tend to like leather a bit better. You might also look into pocket carry using a Mika pocket holster as this combination is the best I have found for CCW carry and a lot of us here use it. My current carry load is from Buffalo Bore and is the Standard pressure 158gr LSWCHP (20C), as a reload I carry eight rounds of Buffalo Bore 158gr. LSWCHP +P (20A) in speed strips. Another popular and effective load is the Speer 135gr +P Short Barrel round. You also made a good choice with the CT 405's, just be sure you become proficient using the gun without the laser before you become too dependent on it. Again, welcome and we hope to hear more from you.

[jt1]

ardi - Yes, the speed strips are from Bianchi. Here is a link to the post explaining my use of them:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3323146&postcount=2727

I spend about ten minutes a day drilling with them and my proficiency is much improved since the original report.

Opinionated? biased?...US?... I should think not! Just because we know what is best doesn't stop us from listening to other folks misguided opinions. :D

I generally practice with 158gr wadcutters, same weight as my carry load and they make such nice, neat holes.

[ardito40]

JT1 - thanks so much for the explanation.

Will try to locate some.

[Nematocyst]

Ardi, you've definitely come to the right place. So glad to have another woman present in the club. I nominate you for the official club anthem singer. (Of course, we've yet to decide what our anthem will be. Guns and Roses or 38 special could indeed have one for us. They might even write one for us.)

BK, welcome in. Good story. Don't worry about length of post. None of the rest of us do. Those that don't want to read just won't. The rest of us will.

JT, sorry about my laughter earlier. I thought you were making a joke about 5001 and 200 pages. (Remember, I'm a math nerd, so I tend to notice number trends. Which means you and others are saddled with the responsibility of keeping us straight about 642 technical issues like best rnd, practice rnd, how to trouble shoot malfunctions, holster models, and such, which you do so well.)

So, this page v post issue.

vBulletin (at least this version of it) - the software used for THR forum - seems to be set to put exactly 25 posts per page. You'll note that starting with page 1 and every fourth page from there (5, 9, 13, etc) starts at "xx1" (or these days, ("xxx1"), and ends 25 posts later.

fiVe's thread-starting, 642-history-making post was #1. That page ends at #25.
Page 4 begins with 76, ends with 100, then at the top of page 5 is 101, top of page 9 is 201, page 13 is 301, and so on.

So, if my calculations are correct, post #5001 will occur at the top of page 201.
(And if I'm right, will they name a comet after me? Comet Nem?)

OK, I gotta go check my fireworks supply and make sure it stays dry for the big celebration.
Then, I'm going to bed early. I worked all weekend; another day tomorrow.

Nem

PS: This thread is not only very informative - I've learned so much here - but just plain fun. You people rock. :cool:




This only works for those who have left their default show thread quantity at 25, some folks change their options to show more

[bkastel]

jt1, Thanks for the suggestion on a pocket holster. I'm still pretty new at this stuff but am feeling more comfortable every day.

I looked up the Mika pocket holster that you recommended and have a question: Is the material on the outside of the hostler something that helps keep the holster in the pocket when pulling the gun out? Does it ever come out with the gun?

That would be a great option in the warmer months when I want to carry in a pocket instead of under a shirt or jacket.

BTW - I had the S&W 640 on my mind because I researched and tried one of those also. I DID end up with a S&W 642-2. Your suggestion is well taken on using a laser as an assistant but not as the primary method for aiming. I've been shooting handguns for 25+ years and the CT-405 is the first laser I ever bought. It's electronic and can fail so it is not the primary method for acquiring a target. Once again it's a confidence thing. Thanks again.

[fiVe]

Nem: You are correct.

1001 - pg 41
2001 - pg 81
3001 - pg 121
4001 - pg 161
5001 - will be on 201




Is the material on the outside of the hostler something that helps keep the holster in the pocket when pulling the gun out? Does it ever come out with the gun?

You are correct (welcome to the club!). I've never had my Mika round-cut come out with the revolver. Robert's design is outstanding.

Regards,
fiVe

[jt1]

...post #5001 will occur at the top of page 201.

...5001 - will be on 201

Then post #5000 will be on page 200:

...maybe we can get #5000 and page 200 all at the same time. :)

So what is the equation for determining what page post X will occur on?

[DAdams]

ardito40
Do any of you let your 642 wives on this thread? Still waiting to hear a female perspective.

My wife would find this nonsense :D, but she does have a 642-2 with CT 405s in a Mika in her nightstand.

[308win]

Do any of you let your 642 wives on this thread? Still waiting to hear a female perspective.

If I had 642 wives I wouldn't have time for this or any other thread!!:eek: I have to ask myself if I really want to be associated with a polygamist so egregious as to have 642 wives.:D

[MassMark]

I looked up the Mika pocket holster that you recommended and have a question: Is the material on the outside of the hostler something that helps keep the holster in the pocket when pulling the gun out? Does it ever come out with the gun?

First, welcome to the Club! As a new 642-Head, you'll find a wealth of information regarding all manners of accessories. I have tried, but have yet to pull my Mika out of my pocket when I draw my 642CT. I'm not sure what kind of magic thread he uses, (some sort of silicone I would guess), but my Mika stays put - no matter what pants I'm wearing. The gun does not fit tightly into the holster like a standard rig and there's nothing for it to get hung up on.

[jt1]

I've never had my Mika round-cut come out with the revolver. Robert's design is outstanding.

bkastel - Yes, Robert builds one of the best pocket holsters available. Since I have used his round cut I have not considered even looking for another type.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA260024.jpg

The grippy material works great and holds the holster very securely.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA260004.jpg

The holster provides full coverage and excellent protection.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA260029.jpg

The holster mouth is reinforced with an internal strip that keeps the mouth open for one handed reholstering. This is probably the best feature of this design. It allows you to get a complete combat grip including access to the trigger while the gun is still holstered and concealed in your pocket. Talk about a tactical advantage! The holster will not disappear in your pocket, but it doesn't print as a gun and most folks will never even notice. The Mika round cut receives my highest recommendation.

[Stainz]

Friday afternoon found my wife and I at a brand new shopping center to visit a Wally World super-duper center 'Grand Opening'. A great question here would be why - as they all carry the same stuff. At any rate, I found myself in the Sporting goods - at the back wall, behind an end cap and facing said back wall - out of surveilence - except for a fellow I noticed shadowing me on one aisle - obviously not shopping, but avoiding eye contact. He looked young - maybe sixteen - but was wearing sloppy/drooping pants, a funky jacket, and a watch cap (tobogan) pulled down - it was sunny and 60's outside. He was paralleled on the aisle on my other side by a similarly attired, although a few years older, fellow - whom my wife had noted 'following me' from aisle to aisle - then suddenly going straight at me down that aisle.

My wife hollered, I turned quickly to see the one in her direction maybe three feet from me. I instinctively reached for my 642... and he stopped - nodded - and took off - as did the younger fellow, who, right hand in his pocket, was maybe five feet away when he saw the other fellow book. I tried to follow them, but they just dissappeared in different directions. My wife was very distraught, although I told her they probably were just Jehovah's Winess's wanting to share a Watchtower with me. She thought the worst, of course. We just left - quickly. I should have reported it to the manager - but, to be honest, I was just shocked.

I never presented the 642 - or any part of it (Hooray for fat guy sized cargo pants!). It was comforting just having it there - my hand on it, finger outside the trigger guard - ready to go. But, it saddened me, too. That was the site of 'Eastwood Mall', the first indoor mall near Birmingham. Dating back to the early 60's, it was heated/cooled by an underground river. A five and dime in there, 'McCrory's, I believe, even carried racks of cosmoline-packed WWII rifles - Enfields, Moisin-Nagants, Mausers, and even that Italian 6.5 that was used to murder JFK - $10-$20. Times have changed. I won't be back.

I bought two more pair of those pants Saturday - at a nearby K-Mart... my 642 even goes to church with me, sad to say.

Stainz

PS It was in a Mika's pocket a la the previous post, of course, and sporting Remi 158gr +P LHPSWC's. I was about to soil that nice new floor.

[Cocked & Locked]

642-1...bought it new 10 years ago...carry it daily either as BUG or primary :cool:

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6486409/285291346.jpg

[Phydeaux642]

Stainz, glad to hear it didn't need to go any farther than that. You are right about "times have changed", though. The town I live in used to be a lot more laid back than it is at present. Now, there are all kinds of strange happenings going on. I'm fairly new to CC, but now I almost feel naked if I don't have the 642 on my person. It's seems like a wise old friend to me at times.

And, welcome to the clubhouse to all of the new members out there.

_______________


"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[jt1]

Stainz - A sad commentary on the current state of affairs in this country today. Just goes to show you never know when or where. You and Mrs. Stainz are to be commended on your situational awareness and active defense techniques. Sounds like you make a great team. I'm glad you were able to control the situation without further escalation, but I am even happier you were prepared to defend yourself and your family. I am left to wonder what the result would have been to an unarmed and unprepared person oblivious to their surroundings. Take care.

Cocked & Locked - Nice to see one showing some honest wear.

[ardito40]

Wow! Mr. Stainz, I hate to appear like a "Polly Anna" here (OK, I"ll admit I am, much to my boyfriend's great distress) but you really thought those guys would pull guns and rob you and/or the Mrs. in the middle of a store? Is that not unusual in your area? I agree that the description and behavior of the men would make me think the same thing. But I just don't want to think that happens in America. I think it's bad enough that I worry about parking lots at night!

Wake up Ardito, and get the license, carry the gun. And so I shall. How sad.

Glad Mr. & Mrs. S are safe and had the wherewithall to get through a difficult situation, supposedly none the worse for wear, but actually I imagine quite shaken by the whole thing.

[ardito40]

How's the 649 working for your wife? Did you get spring kit installed? If so, did it help?

I'm STILL wanting to hear from some ladies out there.

[jt1]

...Wake up Ardito, and get the license, carry the gun...

And this is a good thing, but only a small part of the overall requirment. More important is to develop the proper mindset and attitude towards a CCW lifestyle. Find a good training program or start reading. Start pratice drills and do them every day. You can make a game out of being aware of your enviroment and soon it becomes second nature, and it needs to be, always there running in the background. It's not always easy, but it's always nessary. When you think you are starting to become a little obsessed with awareness and defensive what-if senarios, then you are doing it right. Bad things happen to good people everyday and when it comes right down to it you can only count on one person. Guess who that is?

[DAdams]

My wife was very distraught, although I told her they probably were just Jehovah's Winess's wanting to share a Watchtower with me.

Yes that's what I was thinking. The only problem for the choir boys; they were a few steps away from having what I'm sure would have denegrated into a religious experience.

L&L, very nice 642. Love those that grip set up and the "horns".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P5150002.jpg

Don't leave home without it, or something like it.

You can make a game out of being aware of your enviroment and soon it becomes second nature, and it needs to be, always there running in the background. It's not always easy, but it's always nessary. When you think you are starting to become a little obsessed with awareness and defensive what-if senarios, then you are doing it right. Bad things happen to good people everyday and when it comes right down to it you can only count on one person. Guess who that is?


Well Put jt1.

Here is an excerpt from.....

On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."


Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. ......

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
"Baa."

If you are not familar with On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs by Dave Grossman
Here is a link to one of many reprints.

http://www.globalspecialoperations.com/sws.html

[ardito40]

To all who have recommended Mika's pocket, I just ordered one for boyfriend and one for myself. Thanks

I also ordered CCW purse from CCWsupply.com. Since I hadn't heard from other women, I decided to go ahead.

Thanks to all for your advice!

[helpless]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x120/shtf/442oct1.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x120/shtf/442oct2.jpg

Just picked it up today. Cant wait to shoot it.

[jt1]

helpless - 350.00 dollars? You and ardito40 should team up, the new Bonnie and Clyde. Seems you two already know how to rob gun stores! :D

[helpless]

helpless - 350.00 dollars? You and ardito40 should team up, the new Bonnie and Clyde. Seems you two already know how to rob gun stores!

For all the money you spend and all the times you pay up to and over full price, I am not about to feel guilty for finally getting a deal.

[DAdams]

A pocketful of SGD 135s is comforting to be sure. But lately I have been contemplating defensive situations which might require a different tactic or additional weaponry.

I ordered one of these after doing some research. Might be junk, who knows. Lists for about $90. A good flashlight costs $40 dollars.
I am seeking volunteers for the stun portion of my evaluation....may have to await a dog attack.

Lightening Rod. 800,000 Volts. Built in flashlight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/Lightning_Rod_Package.jpg

Here is some promo material and description, I found it for $40 after shopping around a bit.

http://www.beststungun.com/streetwise-stun-gun-pen.html?gclid=CPCorPXbto8CFQRuZQod1A6ncg

I also picked up a Fenix Second Generations V.02 L1T (1AA) LED Flashlight with momentary on/off which Fenix did not have in V.01 from the same place.

http://www.eliteled.com/products/gadgets/lightning-pen.html

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From the Gadget Department. Lowes has the Gerber Clutch for $17.99. 2 inches by 1/4. Nice pocket multi for a great price.
Full size was $30. Xmas is just around the corner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/p3282233p275w.jpg

[bkastel]

I just ordered mine yesterday also.

I would also like to ask an opinion on what types of pants (sorry women, just men's only :rolleyes:) that you pocket carry in. I have to dress up for work with slacks and tie but I still would like to carry on mass transit walking around town. I purchased a couple of pairs of pleated pants to see if they conceal better. What have you all found?

[308win]

I have found that pleated with a loose cut do best. The biggest issue I have found is finding pants with deep enough pockets.

[DAdams]

I have found that pleated with a loose cut do best. The biggest issue I have found is finding pants with deep enough pockets.


$$Yeah, my wife is still looking for a guy with deeper pockets too. ;) So far she still hasn't been able to do any better than what she has. $$

I like the Columbia Lander pants. It has that one darn pocket on the side which if left empty doesn't stand out too much. Much better than the typical tactical, cargos which are fine for after wear or the weekends. Nothing beats the Lander with the pocket behind the pocket with a zipper. No elastic in the waistband fortunately. You could remove the zipper string, and smooth the zipper tongue into the seam and you can't tell there is another pocket. The pocket is nicely sized for a X42 in a Mika and since it is behind the regular pocket when you add keys or a cell phone it breaks the virtually non existant print.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P7260004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/Lander.jpg

$29 at Cabellas website. Gander Mountain has them in stock also.

Fortunately you can still find plenty of Dockers, Izod, and Savanes with pleats that do tend to conceal better.
I have actually thought about having my tailor add/sew in a couple inches of pocket to my strong side pocket. Slightly rounded of course for the Mika Round cut. If I were going to carry with the Hogue Monogrip it would be a must if the shirt is tucked.

Some people have gone to ankle carry for the very reasons you have toppled to. Jackets with interior pockets work nicely. You may want to check out the Scottevest Products, but again they are more for professional packers or weekend wear.

Shhh. Don't tell anyone but one solution is a smaller hg.

[S.O.D.]

DAdams I am looking at a pair of Colombia Lander pants and a pair of the shorts I just got in from REI. I bought them on your recommendation from your post about 50 pages back. (I am slowly going through the entire thread.) They look great and REI had some of the pants for $21.83. (limited sizes) The shorts are $25. The color is suede which must be a fancy name for khaki. Link for 32" inseam:

http://www.rei.com/product/747036

They also have 30":

http://www.rei.com/product/747035

and 34" inseams:

http://www.rei.com/product/747037

[brent376]

I have had my J Frame 642 for about three years now. Never had any problems. It is about time to refinish the gun since I carry it everyday it has some scratches. I switched the factory grips to some Hogue soft rubber grips. I use the Federal personal Defense Hydra Shock hollowpoints 110 grain. I am a revolver guy and if you get a revolver get a smith and wesson.

[rdrancher]

DAdams -
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."

Thanks for the link. Something to ponder for sure.

rd

[ardito40]

A heads up to anyone thinking about buying one: Mr. Mika sent me an email today to say ship time is about 4 weeks right now.

Perhaps all the free advertising he gets from 642 club is catching up with him? ;)

[ardito40]

308 win - If I had 642 wives I wouldn't have time for this or any other thread!! I have to ask myself if I really want to be associated with a polygamist so egregious as to have 642 wives.

You have a good point there. (pun intended) I see I forgot one of the basic no-nos learned in my journalism classes - check, double check, triple check all text.

[fiVe]

A heads up to anyone thinking about buying one: Mr. Mika sent me an email today to say ship time is about 4 weeks right now.

Perhaps all the free advertising he gets from 642 club is catching up with him?

Glad to hear Robert's business is doing well. For those who order and wait, I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

[jt1]

I am not about to feel guilty for finally getting a deal.
We're just jealous, I haven't got my good deal yet!

I am a revolver guy and if you get a revolver get a smith and wesson.
Welcome to the 642 Club. Good to have you here. I don't suspect you will receive much argument about the merits of Smith & Wesson from the folks here.

Lightening Rod. 800,000 Volts .
These can be very effective, one cravat however, if you have skin to skin contact with the recipient of the 800,000 Volts you will receive your fair share of said voltage. This will also conduct through light clothing and in wet or very humid conditions may even jump a gap of several inches. This results in muscle contractions that prevent you from releasing the activation button, and the ensuing reactions are quite... interesting. (How do I know this? :( trust me! ) Other than this minor issue, these devices are quite effective at conveying your displeasure with actions that you deem inappropriate.

[blackwind Jeff]

jt1 - To sate your curiosity . . .
So what is the equation for determining what page post X will occur on?
page N = ceiling( post X / max posts per page )

or in the case of THR,

page N = ceiling( post X / 25 )

There is a prettier way to represent the above, but I couldn't find the proper characters. If you don't understand floor/ceiling functions yet, wikipedia it, and you'll learn it faster than you can squeeze off your 642 :)

[308win]

I am sure our appreciation for his products doesn't hurt his business. But, Robert makes issue products for law enforcement agencies including the FBI and I know that at times he gets tied up in meeting these orders.

[MassMark]

I concur - 4 weeks wait time for a Mika is easy time....Absolutely worth the price and the wait. Welcome to The 642 Club all new members! :cool:

[fiVe]

Let's make a little extra effort to keep things on topic. It was mentioned to me--in a polite and professional way--that we might be experiencing some thread drift. I'm sure this stems from the "quadratic" equation stuff and possibly the upcoming 5001 post. I blame myself for this as I'm prone to let the fun bubble over a little too much. We have NOT been put on notice and I do not want the fun to stop, but we have to be sure we stay within the Revolver forum rules. Except for the recent, minor drift, we have been complimented on the Club's managment and I want to keep that goodwill in place.

Thanks for you help.

Peace,
fiVe

[MassMark]

Steady as she goes Captain.....

Perhaps we can just let the fun bubble over a little and keep the rest on our beloved Smith and Wessons. By the way, I hit round 1,850 last night with zero issues whatsoever - except a bit of a cooked appearance in places and big grin... ;)

[ardito40]

Last night we put another 100 rounds through my new 642. We have calculated about 200 rounds shot and another 100 dry fires. Trigger is getting easier, but still plan on getting the spring kit installed.

I know that isn't many firings, but I truly am fairly wimpy as far as finger strength goes. I find that when I try to pull with one finger, my aim is too far off. If I use left and right index, I have no problem, but feel I need to be able to do it with one hand.

Thoughts?

[jt1]

ardito40 - Try the springs if you must. Keep the factory ones to reinstall if needed. You might not really notice that much difference with the lighter ones, usually about four pounds will be the difference and depending how well the grips fit your hand there could be some improvement. I know you have CT 305's and these are larger than the standard issue grips and can cause some problems if you have smaller hands. You need to really get a firm grip on these little monsters or you will suffer in the recoil department. If you do not feel you are getting a firm grip or that your trigger finger is not long enough to be properly positioned on the trigger with the CT's you might want to try some different grips. I know you want to have the laser but at this point there are other issues to deal with. I would recommend you get a set of Houge Batnam grips (under $20.00) and give them a try. These are smaller and might fit you better, This will do two things for you, it will allow you to get a proper grip (a tight one) and without a backstrap cushion you can get closer access to your trigger and possible more leverage. You will find that with really good grip position felt recoil will be reduced even without a cushion, if grip fit is something that is contributing to your situation. Keep working on the strenght exercises, this will make a difference as well.

[ardito40]

JT1 - I'm not having much luck finding the Bianchi speed strips. Any recommondations?

[Phydeaux642]

ardito40 as much as I hate to say it, there are a couple of listings on Ebay for speed strips.

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"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[hunter55]

Ardi - Speed Strips are available from several of the shooting supply companies, such as Midway USA. Unfortunately, the shipping often costs more than the strips. I have added them on to an order when purchasing ammo online, (ammo selection in my area is poor).

[DAdams]

Here is a source for Bianchi Speed Strips. Reliable, decent prices. Like a number of these places the shipping is too high.
Can always order a couple boxes of SGD .38 spl Plus P. At 19.33 per box, non-member price.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/13649-14158-169.html

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/34640-41941-1171.html

$5.94 per pair.

If you don't have an HKS 36A round speedloader you should definitely get a couple to keep around the house or in the purse. They are much faster than the strips if the grip does not interfere and at $7.97 each you can continue to amortize the shiping. Bianchis are nice because they are flat and pocket carry well. Disadvantage, only loading two rounds at a time. Definitely need to practice with the speed strips. Under pressure they could prove to be an undoing.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/HKS225-1923-1171.html?pcs=HKS225

[JIMNSC]

Greetings - actually it's exciting to be called a newbie at my age. I got your invitation on Bersa Talk, DAdams, and thanks. From what I have read so far it looks like some good info on my new 642. Looking forward to participating.

Jim

[phreeq]

ship time is about 4 weeks right now

That's nothing, really. Especially factoring in the great reviews his products have been getting.

I picked up a Milt Sparks VMII for my 4" 1911 (I know, bottom-feeder, ick ;)), and the wait time on that one was 12-16 weeks. And that puppy set me back 100 bucks.

By the way, for those interested in the Milt Sparks products, the current wait time is 20-26 weeks.

[ardito40]

New email from Mr. Mika says I can expect shipment 11/1/07. What a surprise!

[Nematocyst]

It's light weight.
It's never misfired.
I can draw it quickly.
It's always at my side.
I shoot it well at 7 yds.
Double taps are very easy
(especially with monogrips).
It slams 135 -158 grs into ...
Point, shoot ... bang ...
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Peace.

N

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=61157&d=1185071209

[jt1]

JIMNSC - Welcome to the 642 Club. Any friend of DAdams is certainly welcome in the clubhouse. Enjoy being a newbie while you can. Doesn't last long around here. How are you liking your 642?

[Nematocyst]

Enjoy being a newbie while you can.

Doesn't last long around here.< . nod + laughter . >

6000 ...
http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smiley-faces-toast-beers.gif

[jt1]

Nem - 'Bout time you quit all that work and sleep and got back to important 642 business! :)

[DAdams]

Newbie

Greetings - actually it's exciting to be called a newbie at my age. I got your invitation on Bersa Talk, DAdams, and thanks. From what I have read so far it looks like some good info on my new 642. Looking forward to participating.

Jim

JimNSC Welcome to the Club and glad you found your way over.

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fiVE, fiVe, <blurted with exuberence> I made my quarterly recruitment goal. :D

"I hope this puts me back in club good graces fore I feign I am guilty of.... derailment" <gasp :eek:>
I have spoken of and conjured Spirits (liquid).
Expounded on things not related to X42s. Such as (tools, lights, stun pens) :uhoh:
Kicked off the 642 postulate.
Reported on SWHC stock position.
Invented the Astrolabe.
Opened a route to the West.
Lusted publicly over my dearest M&P 340.
And certainly guilty of other heresy.

By the way the Fenix LED flashlight L1T v.20 arrived yesterday and it is very nice. I would recommend and will post a pic WITH a 642 of course. :rolleyes:

SWHC was unjustifiably pummeled in the market on 10.30. I increased my position.

I'm stroking my 340 as I write this.


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Why I like my 642:

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It's light weight.
It's never misfired.
I can draw it quickly.
It's always at my side.
I shoot it well at 7 yds.
Double taps are very easy
(especially with monogrips).
It slams 135 -158 grs into ...
Point, shoot ... bang ...


When the dog bites, when the bee stings.............I simply remember my favorite things..........Nema way to stay on task.

[308win]

Ardito40

Try Vances for the Bianchi Speed Strips. Call them first to make sure they have them in stock. They don't seem to last long when they hit the shelves.

[fiVe]

fiVE, fiVe, <blurted with exuberence> I made my quarterly recruitment goal.

You have done well. Such acts of loyalty to the club will be remembered (.......hopefully :p )

[rdrancher]

Ardito40 - I found my Speedstrips on an ebay "buy it now" listing. The shipping was alot cheaper.

Here's a pair listed now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bianchi-38-Special-357-Mag-speed-strips-new-2-pack_W0QQitemZ230187338504QQihZ013QQcategoryZ36258QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Welcome to all the newbies too! :D

rd

[Brassman]

Mr. Mika says my holster will be shipped 11-2-07. Can't wait!

[DAdams]

Truly Fall is upon us here in the southeast US even though today on the Gulf Coast of FL it's in the mid 80's. and the east coast is enduring hopefully the last named storm.

Our nuclear summer is over and from now until May our tropical climate is what makes it enjoyable being here. Shorts are still de rigueur for a couple months and the Mika Pocket Holster is still as important as ever although as we move towards "Winter" concealment will become easier with sweaters and jackets necessary for 6 weeks. ;) Covered OWBs will be back in vogue and the heavier carrys will see some seasonal rotation action.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/PB010026.jpg

Enjoy.

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Well, Mongo joined the Mika wagon last week. The old DiSantis Nemesis (2 years) is a bit too sticky around the 642.

Waiting expectantly for delivery.

Mongo

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Sniff... Sniff...

Just went back in memory lane. My posting on Page 6 of this thread #126 on July 17, 2005. One day after the wife and I picked up our pair of sequentially numbered 642s. What a day!!!:D

[jt1]

This is the only thread I am aware of anywhere that has "good ole days".

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Yup, jt1.

I think I actually had some hair back then.....

(wishful, ain't I???)

[1BLINDREF]

This is the only thread I am aware of anywhere that has "good ole days".

LOL - Thats true!

[ardito40]

Speed strips -

Thanks to all who posted sources for purchasing. I appreciate and will check them.

[shootemup]

We picked up our used but never fired 642 today- can't wait to try it out tomorrow!

I'll follow this link more closely for tips and tricks.....

Shootemup

[jt1]

shootemup - Welcome to the 642 Club. We are pleased you have joined us and are looking forward to hearing all about your first range trip.

JIMNSC - Exnewbie.

[electrode1998]

I bought my 642 a month ago and it still has never been fired. Lack of finances and time are the reasons. It has been carried everywhere I go though.
I have shot several revolvers and semi's in my day so if I have to use it I won't be totally out of my league.
Hopefully that will not happen, but Baton Rouge is not what it used to be.

The weather is great here now so maybe I will get to the range soon and put some rounds downrange.
e'trode

[wrkerr]

Wow! I've been gone a while and find it amazing we're up to almost 5000 posts! The last time I posted here was post # 759!!!

Since my last post, I have put about 1200 rounds through my 642. Still no problems whatsoever. Great little gun. Just to update, I have switched from 135 Gold Dots to 125 non+p Nyclads due to rapid advance of arthritis in my right pinky finger. It sucks to get old!

I still carry in an Uncle Mike pocket holster and two speed strips, one on each side. The 642 is truly the "always" gun. The finish is considerably more worn than last time, but I just figure that gives it "character".

Keep the posts coming.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u299/wrkerr/IMG_0001.jpg

[glockman19]

Confession:

I've been shooting my 642 and haven't been cleaning it.....It has been shooting just fine after 300 rounds.

[jt1]

glockman19 - How about a few photos of your dirty little monster?

[JIMNSC]

Thanks for the welcome, guys. I've been noticing posts about a Mika pocket holster and I gather folks are happy with them - regardless of the wait.;) I bought an Uncle Mike's "Sidekick" #3 at the same store I bought the 642. I like the holster but the gun seems to wallow around in it a bit since I've been carrying it daily.

Questions: Anybody out there have any experience with a comparable Uncle Mike's and also the Mika? I noticed on his web page he makes a square and a round one - which is the preferred for the 642?

In pocket the UM is zero problem and the 642 withdraws nicely but on those occasions I have to remove both to go inside a place that bans weapons (post office - court house) I have to be very careful to squeeze the holster to keep the 642 in it when removing it from my pocket. After removing it once I almost let it slide out once and could have dropped it. Maybe I'm being picky?:)

Comments? Hope I haven't confused you.

[JIMNSC]

In the past two years I have carried a semi-automatic (Bersa .380) "ON OCCASION." I was very selective where and when I carried because of the difficulty I encountered concealing the weapon, especially in summer clothes. Well, the bad boys around here haven't gotten any nicer and I haven't gotten any younger. With arthritis worsening in my fingers it became difficult for me to put a round in the chamber of the .380.

I'm 66 with atrial fibrillation (heart) and the medications I have to take to control it fatigue me at times. It has gotten to the point that my ability to protect myself physically changed from a "fear no man" mentality in my 50's to a "if I can't get him/them within 3 swings it's over" mentality.

I said all that to say this. I finally wised up and bought this revolver that lends itself well to concealment and DAILY CARRY - not OCCASIONAL! My arthritis is not an issue operating the gun. My greatest pleasure since the purchase has been a feeling of security of knowing I can protect myself if necessary and physical strength doesn't have to be an issue.

Best thing I've done "gun wise." I'm tickled that the 642 is as popular and dependable as it seems to be. We've become inseparable friends and I don't leave home without it!

P.S. If you'll check the times on my last two posts you'll see my meds often deny a full night's sleep. :D

[jt1]

JIMNSC - I have used the UM's and much prefer the Mika. I don't really know what it is about UM products but I just am never happy with anything I try from them and have stopped using their products altogether. Having said that the Mika is probably not going to hold your gun any more securely outside your pocket than the UM's will. These pocket holsters are not designed as a retention holster at all. Their function is to protect the gun in your pocket and keep it in position for good presentation and draw from concealment. The Mika does this better than any other I have tried including several high end custom makes, but when removed from your pocket the gun will fall out easily if you are not careful. I have dropped mine a time or two. I prefer the round cut version. The Mika takes awhile to break in and at first will feel a little bulky and puffy. This goes away after a few weeks of use as the holster molds itself to the gun. Here's a link to my recent review:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3845662&postcount=4912

...feeling of security of knowing I can protect myself...
We all know this feeling...hand in pocket...X42...Mika...158's...135's :cool:

[MassMark]

E-Trode: I understand completely. Time and tides - where does it all go? I've been hammered lately myself, but luckily still find a moment or two to wring out the 642CT. Sometime after the 5,000th post, I'll be at 2,000 rounds through my little bundle of joy. I'm fortunate to have a membership at a gun club with an indoor range that's literally on my way home. Sometimes, I stop in for an extended range session, but more often I pop in, set up a target, shoot 15 rounds, (rounds on deck and my 2 speedloaders), reload pocket my 642 and head home...Great way to end the day....I hope for you that time is found to experience the thrill of sending rounds down range with your 642 - it's a grin festival... :)

BTW- Welcome to all new 642-Heads!!! It's nice to have you on board for the coming 5,000th post! :cool:

[DAdams]

5000.

fiVe, you have your inspirational words of wisdom ready? I was hoping this would happen Monday? Perhaps some good posts to push things for Saturday night??

I could talk about unrelated topics for awhile. :neener:

Let me tell you about my.....new....Lightening Rod Stun Pen. :D

[ardito40]

I haven't tried to adjust the CT on my 642 yet. I'd be interested to know if there are any "tricks" that might help. Is it difficult?

The fixed sight is quite accurate. When I sight on-center with it, the laser is a couple inches to the left.

Suggestions?

fiVe - DAdams' post reminded me that I haven't heard from you concerning any help you might need with that speech. Figure you must have it well under control.

Thanks!

Another T. Jefferson quote:

Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.

[jamz]

Holy amazing, 5k posts.

My 340pd is still at my side though, even after all this time!

[308win]

You have to decide whether you want the laser to be sighted parallel to the bore or to shoot to a specific point at a specific distance.

[MassMark]

You have to decide whether you want the laser to be sighted parallel to the bore or to shoot to a specific point at a specific distance.

Exactly.

Ardito40: My suggestion is to define your realistic purpose combined with your realistic intended range and decide how you want to sight your laser. I left mine alone because I indend to use this gun within 0-15 feet. As is, the gun puts all rounds into center mass with the laser on. I'm not trying to shoot for target accuracy, I'm trying to point-shoot for center mass accuracy. It takes the onus off me trying to get X-ring accurate with a 2" barrel in a gun that I intend solely for close-in self defense. I use my bigger pistols for target shooting.

If you decide or need to adjust your CT's, it's important to fire a few rounds and tweak the adjustment screw very slightly. Reload and retry. If you turn the adjustment to far to fast, you put the aim of the laser in the stratosphere, (embellishment), but you get the idea....

[DAdams]

This is from the FAQ Crimson Trace Site.

How do I sight them in?
Lasergrips are factory-sighted to approximate point-of-impact at 50-feet. Unlike most other laser sights, you can adjust them if needed by turning the tiny windage (side) and elevation (top) screws with the small hex wrenches provided with your Lasergrips.


A good starting point is to establish your normal sight picture and line up the laser dot with the iron sights — this may be all the adjustment needed. (“Sight picture” simply means evenly aligning the notch in your back sights with the post in your front sight in a level, straight line.)


For further tuning on the range, fire a few rounds at the target. After seeing where the bullets are hitting, you can adjust the laser to the actual point of impact. For example, if the laser is pointing at the center of the target, but the bullets are impacting low and right, move the laser down and to the right.

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It's too bad that on 2-3 inch designed barrel handguns they don't sight them in for about 25-30 feet. At the range I'm all over a 3 inch area with nothing moving. I can imagine that in a real life situation I'm going to be lucky to hit a COM. Particularly when I'm moving, the target is moving, the scene is in flux. I would range them in at a reasonable distance and call it good. If you can get in a sitting position on a table with some sand bags that would be best for sighting.

[MassMark]

It's too bad that on 2-3 inch designed barrel handguns they don't sight them in for about 25-30 feet. At the range I'm all over a 3 inch area with nothing moving. I can imagine that in a real life situation I'm going to be lucky to hit a COM. Particularly when I'm moving, the target is moving, the scene is in flux. I would range them in at a reasonable distance and call it good. If you can get in a sitting position on a table with some sand bags that would be best for sighting.

Agreed. I think CT would do well to sight J-frame lasergrips for optimum realistic defensive ranges. I have mine set like I said for 15-feet max. At that range, shooting laser dot dead center on a slowfire pistol target, I hit low-right center mass. With irons or point shooting I fare better. At 0-5 feet, I'm dead center. I have no illusions that I will be fighting with this gun at any further ranges. I have drilled at extended ranges with the 642 for "Just In Case", but it makes little sense to me personally to focus too much attention to ranges I'll likely never engage in with this gun.

[Phydeaux642]

Well, I went and shot the "little beast" for the first time since I put old school S&W wood grips and a Tyler T-grip on it. I really like the feel of this set-up and it isn't any more "painful" to shoot than with the boot grips that came on it. I also tried some Gold Dot 135gr +P ammo. It has a little more kick to it, but it's not bad. I was carrying Federal 110gr Hydra Shok before.

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"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

[ultralightbackpacker]

Hi guys,

Not certain if you recall a few weeks ago I picked up a new in box 642, which to my surprise had a nasty peeling frame near the barrel inside frame wheel, dent/grind/etch under the firing pin on the frame, and I 'think' the barrel was weakly rifled too. :fire:

Emailed SW, couple days later, received a response. They said give us a call, will send you a UPS next day pickup. I call. Sure as heck, a few days roll by, and I get a letter with the prepaid shipping via ups NEXT day air back to SW. Send her off. About 8 working days I get her back.

Invoice/Repair says "complaint, Indication frame replacement, complaint barrel replacement." Bottom line reads "REPAIRED: Replace gun w/same S/N." :cool:

Yeah baby! Nice new baby wheelie. Perfect now. In fact, the wheel cylinder to barrel clearance is much tighter. I didn't measure but I would say 50% tighter. Excellent. Trigger excellent.

A shout and cheer out to S&W for making a major dissapointment into a minor waiting game to receive the sweetest prize. :D

Thanks JT1 for helping me make the "decision" to send her back.

[DAdams]

Glad you were taken care of.
That is all the reason you ever need to have in purchasing a wheel gun other than a S&W. Well let's not get carried away, other perhaps than a Colt DS. ;)
People mess around with other brands and I don't care if it has MIM parts or a lock or peeling finish or costs $50 dollars more, S&W has made a customer service committment to cover the product, basically for life.
They crank them out knowing full well they will miss a few and then take care of the situation on an "as needed" basis.
When mine crapped at 75 rounds for a sear failure I got the same treatment. No shipping charges either way and back in week.
I'm in the manufacturing business and that IS customer service, period. Total cost of ownership is the name of the game. A big thumbs up to S&W.

Thanks JT1 for helping me make the "decision" to send her back.
jt1 is the man. A 642 Heads, Head.

[glockman19]

Ultralight, Great to hear another wounderful S&W Customer Service/Repair story. This is one of the major reasond I buy from S&W and specific other manufacturers.

G19

[sixgunner455]

My father shot my 642 when we were having our family reunion shooting outing this summer. "That's a beautiful gun," he said after he was done.

Not sure what brought that to mind. My brother and bil shot it, too. Dad liked it more than they did. Just reloaded up a box of 158 gr lead the other day. May do another box tonight and go out tomorrow morning w/ the Colt and the brothers Smith and get'em dirty.

[MassMark]

Congrats UB! Smith and Wesson rivals Springfield Armory in customer service. My CT's were shorth an elevation screw. I called S&W, same story - shipping label, back to S&W and I had new CT's in a few days.

P-642: Speer 135's are the bomb...I love em....

[jt1]

Bottom line reads "REPAIRED: Replace gun w/same S/N."
ultralightbackpacker - It gets no better than that. If you still want the Ruger you might be able to talk me into taking that "used" 642 off your hands at a "$light" discount :D.

...A 642 Heads, Head.
Aw, come on, I just call em like I see em.


S&W a bargin at any price.

[Nematocyst]

Hello,

I am new to this forum.
This is my first post today.

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smiley-wavin-yel.gif

While seeking advice on a handgun for self-defense,
I googled "best SD handgun", and found this thread.

Can you please tell me more about this "642"?

Is 642 a good handgun for SD?

What pros and cons can you offer about it?

What rnds do you recommend to shoot in it?

Any advice about grips?

How about a holster?
OWB, IWB, pocket, ankle ... ?

Speedloaders?

Thanks for your advice.

Regards,

Nem A. Tocyst

<snickers>

[Harvster]

Why do I get the feeling that there is some thread "fluffing" occurring to get to 5K? :)

[Nematocyst]

642 = good: Yes.
Pros: See #4950 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3854035&postcount=4950).
Cons: NA
Rnds: Speer Gold Dot 135 gr +P or 158 gr BB et al
Grips: Hogue Monogrips
Holster: OWB: any well-made high ride; pocket: Mika (square)
Speedloaders: Bianchi speedstrips w/ 5 in a 2_3 config.
Fluffing: NA

:cool:

[Harvster]

Took my 642 to the range last night for the first time. My first thought after shooting it for the first time was that it didn't kick nearly as much as I had come to expect. I thought the recoil was quite manageable, even one-handed. The target pictured represents the first five shots from seven yards using Ultramax 125 grain JHP. I did notice at fifteen yards I had more difficulty acquiring the front sight of my gun. I don't know if this was due to target color and lighting or what. I guess I'll have to go back to the range for more experiments.:D I also shot some Speer gold dot 135grain HP. Didn't really notice anything very different with the +Ps. But, again, very little experience with the gun so far. It also didn't help that we sneaked in for the last twenty minutes the place was open so we were hurrying along. The final thing I discovered is that at longer distances with two hands or one-handed I tend to shoot a little to the left. Once again, more range time required.:D

[MassMark]

Harvester Man, that's great shooting - right where you want em. To quote Bugs Bunny: "that's the old pepper boyyy".

Nem Excellent walk through memory lane. I too made my very first post right here on The 642 Club. I remember how unsure I was at my decision to rethink 20-years of carrying bottom feeders and how comforted I was after being welcomed here and reading through the threads. I have spent the last 12-years on the information superhighway and never have I come accross such a diverse, intelligent, humorous, dedicated and friendly group of people. I'm proud to call myself a member in good standing here at The 642 Club and prouder still to have had the pleasure of getting to know all of you....

Here's a link to my first post - I'd cut-n-paste the whole thing, but it would fill the page and put folks to sleep, (I tend to ramble)... ;) Mark's First Post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3223226&postcount=2117)

Funny how the first welcome was from fiVe - fitting really. Scrolling through, I can't help but to notice some who have not been around in a while, (i.e: lolpop). Would be nice to have a reunion of sorts following 5,000....

[jt1]

ALL - Over the course of the last few weeks I have tried/reviewed several driving/crossdraw holsters including the FIST #42, Ross M23, and the PAG #17. They all had their good and bad points and none was really totally functional for the 642. So as is my usual response to situations in which I am not pleased I have decided to take matters into my own hands. Now is the time to contribute your desires and needs to develop a driving/crossdraw holster designed just for the X42's. I have a fairly good idea of what I need, but I would like to hear from all you 642 heads and get a general feel for what features you want/need and what you don't like. I am ready to cut some leather!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/jt1jt1/PA310006.jpg

[glockman19]

Why do I get the feeling that there is some thread "fluffing" occurring to get to 5K?

Because it's a great milestone.

Here's my contribution.

[DAdams]

Harvster-Looks like we have a "natural" on our hands. Nice shooting.

Nem A. Tocyst hmm kinda rings a bell. There used to be some 642 Head Whack Job around here with a name almost like that. Think he a had a penchance for revolvers and rifles that shot the same round and hanging in the wilderness. Phantom of the studio type me thinks. Seems like he was usually right with most of his assessments except he was wrong about the Mika Square cut, everyone knows the Roundcut is best. :D

jt1 has gone domestic on us. Needles, thread, leather. Next thing you know he will be molding Kydex with an iron. ;) An aspiring RM in our midst specializing in driving holsters. This should be good and worth the price of admission. Sew on.

Now is the time to contribute your desires and needs to develop a driving/crossdraw holster designed just for the X42's. I have a fairly good idea of what I need, but I would like to hear from all you 642 heads and get a general feel for what features you want/need and what you don't like. I am ready to cut some leather!


Sheepskin lining to coddle the little darling.

Loplop, you can find him at the SIG Club Thread. Seems he is a lover of large bottom feeders.

Ahem, is that throat clearing and gargling I hear in the wings? Guess I better get the champagne chilling and find those leftover 4th of July mortars.

[Nematocyst]

642 Head Whack Job ... penchance for revolvers and rifles that shot the same round ... in the wilderness ... except he was wrong about the Mika Square cut, everyone knows the Roundcut is best. :DLOL!

Oh, thanks, DA. I needed a good laugh to start my day. :)

Just got to work ... pressing brushfires to put out for a while here ...

But I can see a crowd gathering for some reason ... some new folks like Ardi, Six, ULBP and Harvester (Harv?) - and lots of friends that have been hanging around for some time ... MassMark, JT, 308Win, Phydeaux (your name cracks me up in a good way), E'trode, Mongo, g'man19, B'ref, Brassman ...

I'm betting there's a bunch more wandering around in here too that we haven't heard from in a while.
I agree with Mark: good time for a reunion.

And, I'll betcha' siR fiVe is hanging out some where nearby. He might even have something to say soon. Think?

OK, off to work I am. I'll be nearby, checking in on the party when possible over the next few hours.

Someone please save me a soda and a piece of cake. :)

Nem T.

PS: I also concur with Mark and many others: it's a great pleasure to hang out in such a fine little piece of cyberspace with such an intelligent, respectful, responsible group of folks, diverse as we are, drawn together around one little piece of SD technology. It's great to be able to contribute something positive that will hopefully help make the world a safer and more peaceful place.

[rdrancher]

Gosh...am I a 'tish early to the party? ;)

Oh well.

I'm anxiously awaiting a set of Tyler T-Grips for the 642 wondersnubby. Tyler said over a week ago that they'd be going out within two days, but here I sit...no T-Grips. You know what they say. "A watched pot never boils."

rd

[fiVe]

Well shucks, I not above shameless fluff either. :D