Anybody ever get tired?????


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cslinger
May 15, 2005, 02:12 AM
Sometimes I just get tired of keeping up with all the thousands of laws, of being the bad buy just because I am a firearms enthusiest, of having to set a better example, of having to cross my T's and dot my I's because my facts must be correct, of putting up with the lies that are so much easier for the masses to digest and of basically being on the defensive all the time.

Anybody else get tired fighting for freedom and the Constitution when it seems like at least half of the country would rather just forsake the whole thing and let the government "take care of them"

I am not going to stop or quit and I am always going to try to teach folks to be self reliant and teach them to think for themselves but sometimes I just get run down, just get tired.

I guess I am just blahh, guess I need to buy a new gun :D

Chris

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cslinger
May 15, 2005, 02:26 AM
Sometimes this sheepdog just wants to go find some shade and bury his head under his paws and sleep. I am ashamed to say so but it gets hard sometimes.

Chris

fjolnirsson
May 15, 2005, 02:46 AM
I know exactly what you mean.
What really gets me down is all of the fighting amongst gun owners. When folks here on the high road start name calling, it's depressing. If we can't be polite with each other, how can we win back the Republic?

DSRUPTV
May 15, 2005, 12:25 PM
Being a responsible gun owner can be hard work at times, and it can start to wear on you. I would have to say though that putting in all the work is better than the alternatives such as losing our gun rights, having an accident, or gettin locked up for violating a law (no matter how stupid it is.)

Barbara
May 15, 2005, 12:32 PM
Yes. But some days make it worth it.

Recently, gun owners themselves have been my biggest headache..and the fact that I'm not a very good mother-figure to grown up people with hurt feelings. But we keep plowing ahead and stuff like yesterday just blows me away. :)

Standing Wolf
May 15, 2005, 02:15 PM
Anybody else get tired fighting for freedom and the Constitution when it seems like at least half of the country would rather just forsake the whole thing and let the government "take care of them"

Yep. Fortunately, I'm a contrarian by nature, so my reserves of energy are rejuvenated from time to time.

boofus
May 15, 2005, 02:23 PM
When I get in a funk I just take a break for a while and come back refreshed and ready to bust more caps and ridicule more liberals. :p

P95Carry
May 15, 2005, 02:34 PM
Chris - I expect we are almost totally on that same page. At times it seems not tiring but exhausting - when we feel it should not be thus.

I find things are cyclical - periods arrive where fatigue really sets in and I do much less actively - then the tables turn and I enjoy a more active phase. But to keep up high intensity work non stop is indeed depleting.

I have immense admiration for so many who fight harder than I do - and who have horrendous walls to break down. Instance Spot77, Norton, Eastshore - a whole bunch of guys in MD - apologies to the other names that are not immediately remembered.

The thing that particularly irks me is when anti's regard me and gun owners as 2nd class citizens - as if they are somehow ''better''. :rolleyes:

Barbara
May 15, 2005, 04:43 PM
Most frustrating for me is that I get libeled, regularly, by people who claim to be pro-gun. My only alternatives are to sue them or put up with it. So far, I've just put up with it, although its been a couple years now, and I'm starting to get a little annoyed.

For the most part, I just ignore it and carry on, but sometimes I wonder if I'm not making a mistake by refusing to defend myself against their lies. It's a tough call, given the situation.

cslinger
May 15, 2005, 05:02 PM
Ehhh, "Encumbered by idjits we press on."

I am not really in a funk sometimes it just gets old listening to the same ole' VPC lies and propaganda especially knowing that so many people buy this garbage simply because they are uneducated. Sometimes educating them one at a time seems kind of futile.

Ehh wharryagonnado. Keep on keeping on.

Thanks for the pep talk.

Sunray
May 15, 2005, 06:14 PM
It's part of the reason that there is widespread non-compliance with our stupid firearm registry up here. Our idiot government has wasted nearly 2 billion dollars(about 1.6 billion U.S.) on it already with zero effect on crime.
You may have heard about the four RCMP guys who were murdered in Alberta. The killer was a known criminal with a violent hatred of cops and was under a court ordered prohibition from owning any firearm at the time. He supposedly had firearms stashed all around his pot growing operation.
For once there wasn't a media led hue and cry for stricter gun laws. There was a lot of media questions about how he was able to acquire his illegal firearms with all the current restrictions. Perhaps there is hope.

MikeIsaj
May 15, 2005, 08:27 PM
I guess I am just blahh, guess I need to buy a new gun

At least you understand the correct treatment for what ails you.

TonyB
May 15, 2005, 08:48 PM
the hardest thing for me is trying to "explian" things to people who just refuse to understand or even listen.It makes me angry to the point where I'm arfaid I'll end up looking like the wacko they think I am.The older I get the less tolerence I have,but I also handle it "quiter".....I do alot of muttering under my breath..then I go shooting ;)
My new saying is "annoy a liberal...go shooting" :neener:

VARifleman
May 15, 2005, 09:09 PM
Most frustrating for me is that I get libeled, regularly, by people who claim to be pro-gun. My only alternatives are to sue them or put up with it. So far, I've just put up with it, although its been a couple years now, and I'm starting to get a little annoyed.
What do you mean Barbara? Do you mean the people that claim to be, but support really stupid gun laws at the same time?

Ben Shepherd
May 15, 2005, 09:49 PM
Yep: Check news, e-mail, snail mail daily for a stench in the wind. If any is detected, then spend money and time making calls, sending letters, networking, etc.

Send dues and contributions to NRA, GOA, CCRKBA, JPFO, SAF, several state level groups. Then find time to put together and chair a "friends of the NRA" dinner every year. Take training(time & money) from the NRA for rifle, pistol, shotgun, & muzzleloader, and hunter safety instructor ratings.

And that's sandwiched in between a 60 hour work week and running a household.

Yes, I get beat- That my friend is when I take a break- Knowing that someone like you is there to fight for me while I recharge.

You can't run "condition red" 24/7, you'll burn out. Take a well deserved rest, we'll cover it. :D

MikeIsaj
May 16, 2005, 12:15 AM
the hardest thing for me is trying to "explian" things to people who just refuse to understand or even listen.

Why even bother. This is like trying to teach a pig to roller skate. I wastes your time and annoys the pig. A key to communications is knowing when to stop. If someone has closed their mind to new thoughts, no one will change their mind about anything. I do not waste my time with these people.

flatdog
May 16, 2005, 12:46 AM
When you get down and tired, like we all do at times. Think about what remaining vigilant can produce.

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jefnvk
May 16, 2005, 01:30 AM
Those who wish to abridge civil rights, must get lucky once. Those who wish to preserve them, must get it right all the time.

Gordon Fink
May 16, 2005, 01:42 AM
The sad fact is that we will eventually lose our freedom. Our best efforts can do little but delay that inevitability. As a species, humans are not yet ready for real freedom.

The right to keep and bear arms is a matter of terrible importance, but I can’t even keep that pettiest of tyrannies—the cursed speed bump—out of my own neighborhood. What chance do our rights and liberties have with the vested interests that are arrayed against them? Defeat is almost a foregone conclusion.

Oh, I’ll still fight, because it’s the right thing to do, but I expect to lose in the end.

~G. Fink :(

jlwatts3
May 16, 2005, 02:11 AM
It is absolutely exhausting to be pro-freedom and personal responsibility in SF, CA with the odds as they are.
Fortunately the libs and antis aggravate me so much I have to do something and refuse to give in.
:banghead:

chris in va
May 16, 2005, 02:18 AM
I'm with ya. What's really gonna bake my noodle is taking a road trip in my new van trying to CC across several state lines. It'll take many hours of research figuring out when/where/why/how etc.

LadySmith
May 16, 2005, 06:29 AM
What really gets me down is all of the fighting amongst gun owners. When folks here on the high road start name calling, it's depressing.
+1
My great granny used to say that no one can quite get to you like your own.
I don't like being attacked whenever I ask a question or bring up a topic other than "What's better: .45 or 9mm?" But what can I say, THR is educational as well as habit forming. ;)

TallPine
May 16, 2005, 12:21 PM
What gets me down are the hunters/gun owners who are paranoid about some subset of firearms, such as semi-autos or handguns. :rolleyes:

Zundfolge
May 16, 2005, 12:38 PM
Whats started getting me down lately is all the cynicism and negativity on OUR end.

I'm sick of being told that none of our advances count because we haven't got everything... its real hard to keep ones enthusiasm for this movement when the only thing that will make many of us "happy" is a repeal of every gun law back to the beginning of time, and every employee of the ATF is in prison. :rolleyes:


Things could be better, but the could also be worse and we are winning ... things are getting better.

I've tried to argue this line in another thread but it got hijacked with frog cooking recipes :rolleyes:



We're quickly becoming our own worse enemy. If we don't start enjoying the victories we've had and only grouse that we don't have "everything" yet then nobody on the fence is going to want to join "our side" and the antis will easily demonize us to the fence sitters saying "see ... those RKBA folk won't be happy until they get free machine guns and there's blood running in the streets."

Worse of all, we're burning out the best and brightest among us by always being negative.

Sometimes I feel like we're fighting a lost cause ... not because the enemy is strong and making headway but because my fellow RKBA supporters can't acknowledge the victories we've had.

I think I need a nap.

thereisnospoon
May 16, 2005, 12:56 PM
""I'm sick of being told that none of our advances count because we haven't got everything... its real hard to keep ones enthusiasm for this movement when the only thing that will make many of us "happy" is a repeal of every gun law back to the beginning of time, and every employee of the ATF is in prison. ""

Well, not all of them are bad, but... :neener: Just Kidding!!!

Really, the 2nd amendment movement is the most dis-unified group I have ever seen. We all tend to consider our tool the "sacred"one and forget the rest.

I will not rest until ALL the laws that are contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America are repealed, however, that does not mean I will not stop and clap for the victories we get along the way.

Maybe it is the realization that they are so few and far between. It is easier for an illegal immigrant to get a job with the Federal Government than a legal citizen to own guns of their choosing...somethings very WRONG with that :uhoh: :scrutiny:

However, we must rmeber those immortal words...
"The tree of Liberty,from time to time, must be refreshed with the blood of tyrrants and freedom fighters" (Spoon paraphrase).

Don't get the wrong idea...I AM NOT ADVOCATING WE START KILLING ATF AGENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT...I'm simply saying tyrrants must be delt with like the spoiled little children they are!

:eek:

Whew, glad I got that off my chest...now I'm ready to go again.

Don't worry there are enough of us that we won't all be tired at the same time. If you need a break got to the range and shoot a few hundreds rounds thru your favorite plinker and we'll hold down the fort...as long as you promise to come back and stand tall while we rest a little.

fjolnirsson
May 16, 2005, 01:25 PM
thereisnospoon,

"Shoot low boys, they're riding Shetland Ponies!"
Gotta love Brad Paisley.
Thanks. Your sig put a smile on my face.

BobCat
May 16, 2005, 01:47 PM
Zundfolge said, "Things could be better, but the could also be worse and we are winning ... things are getting better."

You are right. I bought my first AR15 in 1994 because "they were going to ban them" and I bought another during the ban, without the "forbidden features" to shoot in Service Rifle.

When the "ban" expired I built the shorty CAR15 I had wanted - no use for it but I wanted it. It prints! Easily holds the 10-ring on the reduced-size SR-1 100 yard target, seated, rapid fire.

It is too easy to look at the decay around you, the corruption, the stupidity, and the apathy, and want to give up.

It has been this way throughout history. It will continue. We still can slow the decline and, locally, reverse it. Anybody want to talk about the second law of thermodynamics here? Locally, you *can* create order out of disorder. Overall, ok, entropy increases - but air conditioners and refrigerators still work... I can't find the bookmark right now, but there is a wonderful animated CHL map on the web, showing the time/order of states that enacted "Shall Issue" carry. "Shall Issue" has been / is a real winner!

The situation can get better, has gotten better in spots (large spots), and can continue to get better; as long as we keep working on it and don't throw in the towel.

Ok, sorry to rant, but as a someone who usually sees the glass as half empty, cracked, and still leaking, I just wanted to add that a smear of JB Weld can fix the crack/leak. Cslinger - hang in there. It is fine to be down, as long as you get back up.

Regards,
Andrew

Zundfolge
May 16, 2005, 02:04 PM
I can't find the bookmark right now, but there is a wonderful animated CHL map on the web, showing the time/order of states that enacted "Shall Issue" carry. "Shall Issue" has been / is a real winner!

Here it is ... it always makes me smile and should encourage the rest of you sad sacks :p

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.gif

flatdog
May 16, 2005, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the map :cool: :D :)

MilsurpShooter
May 16, 2005, 03:57 PM
I know I have been as of late. Been doing research on C&R's and awaiting my day for a CCW, but all the information out there that conradicts itself, all the fee's, all the red tape, well it can really beat you down at times.. :(

Gordon Fink
May 16, 2005, 05:46 PM
[W]e are winning ... things are getting better …

Really? Where and how?

Lately, there have been a few draws in the gun-control fight, but I’ve seen precious few victories—on the national level. In my own back yard, California, we’ve been dealt defeat after painful defeat.

The expiration of the “assault-weapons” ban was not a victory. Pro-RKBA lip service from the G. W. Bush administration was not a victory. Permission-slip reform was not a victory.

Maybe we’ve seen the high-water mark of the firearms-prohibition movement, but I doubt it.

~G. Fink

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