Gun State ID vs NV


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Elmer
May 23, 2005, 09:32 AM
I'm pondering my next and last move. Because of family situations, I'm looking at N. Nevada or Idaho. Idaho seems to be the promised land for hunters and shooters, but what about Nevada? Getting a little tired of seeing Harry Reid on TV......

Nevada almost seems like California in some ways. If you go to some parts of the state you'd swear you were in the most conservative state in the country. Unfortunately the population centers in SF and LA run the state and pass the laws. Is that what's going to happen in NV eventually? Are the crime and gangs in Vegas going to change the rest of the state?

And are all the Meth labs in Idaho going to wreck that state too?

Anybody want to chime in?

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Biker
May 23, 2005, 10:02 AM
In truth, although meth is present just about everywhere to a degree, it's only bad around the Twin Falls and Boise area. Mostly where you find concentrations of migrant workers and gangs in the Magic Valley area.
I'm afraid that no state in the Union is meth free.
Other than that, ID is a great place to live. Lots o' country roads to ride!
Biker

The Drew
May 23, 2005, 10:13 AM
If I were to move out of PA... It would to be either NV or AZ, mainly because there is lots of open country still around, and the laws are pretty gun friendly...

But as of now I love my home state of PA... We have some issues with Philly right now, but that will pass...

Elmer
May 23, 2005, 10:20 AM
AZ is heading the way of California far faster than my friends there want to admit. It's too bad, because there's lot's of great people and places there.

Elmer
May 23, 2005, 10:23 AM
In truth, although meth is present just about everywhere to a degree, it's only bad around the Twin Falls and Boise area. Mostly where you find concentrations of migrant workers and gangs in the Magic Valley area.
I'm afraid that no state in the Union is meth free.
Other than that, ID is a great place to live. Lots o' country roads to ride!
Biker

What about the couer d'alene area?

rick_reno
May 23, 2005, 12:00 PM
I'm in Idaho - it's a nightmare. Nazi's everywhere, two seasons - winter and road construction, **********ns are taking over. We've even got a ladies only day at our local shooting range now. Go to Nevada. Montana is supposed to be nice, go there. Hell, go anywhere else...but here.

Elmer
May 23, 2005, 03:18 PM
Hmmm.. Do I detect a note of sarcasm? :rolleyes:

You should be looking for all of the gun owning, God fearing folks to move there and counter the liberals that have already moved there.... :)

ID_shooting
May 23, 2005, 03:28 PM
:evil: I agree, Idaho sucks, who thier right, or left mind for that matter, would want to live here. If only Blaine County would get nuked...

Um, Move to Oregon, or Nevada, I hear Utah is nice too. :neener:

Dave R
May 23, 2005, 04:00 PM
I agree. Idaho is the last place you want to be. Sun Valley, Twin Falls, Moscow and parts of Boise have become as liberal as Teddy Kennedy. Did you even know Idaho had a major city named Moscow? Why come to "the Siberia of the Northwest?"

All the good hunting land has been developed by Californians. I used to drive 20 minutes and Dove hunt after work. I could be home by 6:30 with a few doves for hors d'ouvres. Now you would not believe how far I have to drive to hunt doves. I get home way later than 6:30.

And there just isn't any good pheasant hunting any more. I'm not kidding about that.

dasmi
May 23, 2005, 04:02 PM
What about New Hampshire?

Elmer
May 23, 2005, 04:15 PM
Guess you folks know how those of us that have been in California for more than 50 years feel....... :(

This used to be a conservative state. Remember, Ronnie was ours before he was President.

rick_reno
May 23, 2005, 04:38 PM
New Hampshire - excellent choice. Florida is good too, it's about as far away from Idaho as you can get and still be on land. By the way, have you considered living on a boat?

Someone earlier mentioned Coeur d'Lane - this was a nice little city 15 years ago. 10 years ago it was still bearable most of the time. These days it's nickname up here is (and I'm not kidding) "California with Snow". It's a real hell hole. Luckily, there are back roads around it if you know your way around.

Elmer - seriously, the Panhandle is getting damn expensive. I'll give you an example - 5 years ago the lot across the street from our place came up for sale. I snapped it up in the mid 30's - my in-laws live in the wildnerness (Priest Lake) and as they get older I'm sure they'll eventually want to build a little house there. I just had a real estate agent tell me I could easily get $160K for it - and more if I wanted to wait a bit. A similar lot, behind another house on our street is selling for $200k. Simply put, it's gone nuts here. I was talking with a fireman the other day in a first aid class and he mentioned the new condo's that are selling in the high $300's - and added they aren't being built for local people.
Hunting is still pretty easy. I can walk down the road and fill my deer tag. It was owned by a local guy who'd let us hunt there - someguy from Texas showed up and bought it. No one knows yet if we can still hunt there. We've got grouse, turkey, moose and bears in the yard. Unfortunately, the 60 acres in back of me got developed - there was some great hunting there. It's covered with $1M and up houses now. No Trespassing signs are becoming much more common here. There is still lots of public land and most of the lumber companies will let you hunt (not drive) on their land.

Art Eatman
May 23, 2005, 06:39 PM
I'm in the middle of the Summer, 2005 issue of "Range" magazine.

http://www.rangemagazine.com

There is an article about how Las Vegas and Sen. Reid run the state. (Easy; Las Vegas is where the votes are.) A major effort is that of shafting farmers and ranchers out of their water rights, to the benefit of the cities.

If you're not in agribusiness, this won't directly affect your life.

Although it's been a few years since I've been in the northern part of the state, Nevada is a great place to wander around in--as long as you stay away from Clark County and the ultra-high cost of living therein.

Art

dasmi
May 23, 2005, 06:41 PM
Coeur d'Lane
My aunt and uncle are moving there next month.

444
May 23, 2005, 06:51 PM
"Is that what's going to happen in NV eventually? Are the crime and gangs in Vegas going to change the rest of the state? "

1) Yes
2) No

I am not trying to take a cheap shot here. Really, I am not trying to be a jerk. BUT..............anywhere that people are moving from ********** is a place that is going to hell (as far as personal rights, personal responsiblility, taxes, lawsuits, general living expenses, and freedom in general). The people from ********** ruin the place they move to like rats getting into a sack of grain. If you are looking for a place to move, make it anywhere that **********ns are NOT moving to in large numbers. This would eliminate the Las Vegas area and from what I hear, Couer D'alene.
Southern Nevada real estate prices are totally out of control. I believe that the average house currently runs around 300K. One of the primary reasons for this is because people moving here from ********** are willing to pay those kinds of prices. They sold their house in the people's republic for 500k and come here with 300k in cash (or whatever). This sounds good at first: "Hey, the value of my house just tripled". Then you realize that if you sell your house, you can't afford to buy the same house back again. The good news is that for those of us that were already here, we can sell for a huge profit and leave.
It is a slow death. Hopefully, I will be out of here by the time it gets real bad.


I am not saying that all people from ********** are bad. I am not saying that they are trying to ruin the place they move to. It just happens because of where they come from. They are used to paying huge prices, they are used to having their rights severely infringed upon. They are used to being taxed to poverty. They are used to everybody suing everybody else etc. It is a normal way of life for them and they bring it with them.

Art Eatman
May 23, 2005, 07:28 PM
444 is correct, but he doesn't go far enough. :) The inflated "values" of housing and raw land is booming to ridiculous levels, nationwide. Not each and every last place, but it's widespread.

Both coasts; the I-25 corridor north from Las Cruces; Florida...Land in rural south Georgia is up by a factor of ten in the last ten or so years, from $300 or $400/acre.

My mother's house in sad little Alpine, Texas, has almost tripled in tax appraisal value in her 16 years there. "Ranchettes" are now selling at around $5,000/acre...

Scenic country, where one can buy "five acres, five miles from town", has gone to incredible prices.

Art

TallPine
May 23, 2005, 07:37 PM
I left western Colorado (Colo-fornia) because the Californians (and others) moved in and ruined the place.

If you want to find a nice place, you're going to have to forego the technicolor scenery. Fine by me ... I'll trade a wide open horizon for looking over somebody's shoulder at a mountain any day ;)

dasmi
May 23, 2005, 07:41 PM
anywhere that people are moving from ********** is a place that is going to hell
I left western Colorado (Colo-fornia) because the Californians (and others) moved in and ruined the place.
They are used to paying huge prices, they are used to having their rights severely infringed upon. They are used to being taxed to poverty. They are used to everybody suing everybody else etc. It is a normal way of life for them and they bring it with them.

Hey come on now. I'm from California, born and raised. I can't stand it here. I plan on leaving as soon as I have the means. I promise, I won't bring any poverty, lawsuits, taxes, diseases, or severely infringing policies with me.

Elmer
May 23, 2005, 08:56 PM
Well said Dasmi.

Again, now you know how I feel watching California change over the last 50 years. We used to say the same thing about all the new people moving here. They're wrecking our state.

ClarkEMyers
May 23, 2005, 10:27 PM
Neal Knox wrote some lovely things about Prescott AZ when Wolfe Publishing relocated there.

444
May 23, 2005, 11:31 PM
"We used to say the same thing about all the new people moving here. "

And, you were right. They ruined the state, or at least helped to ruin the state.
Now, it is my turn and I am also right.

Bob R
May 23, 2005, 11:50 PM
Montana is supposed to be nice, go there.

Maybe the flat parts over east are nice, but, not up where I am. It is COLD, I had to wear sweats today to mow the grass!! We have the same seasons ID has. Except our winter is LONGER, so the roads are never fixed. I have never seen so many broken windshields as I have here. They don't use sand on the roads in the winter (which is still here!), they use gravel, yep, the same stuff you make driveways out of. Because you know, the finer the sand the more expensive it gets. In a state with no sales tax (but a very high income tax), the little ways to save money becomes important to the state.

They have mushrooms that will kill you, berries that are delicious (just don't get between them and a bear), there are animals that think you are a soft on the outside, cruncy on the inside treat. And it is COLD!! The place is crowded with tourists in the summer, and unbelievably desolate in the winter, could be because it is COLD.

Have you thought of the Keys, I hear they are a great place to live, especially if you don't like the COLD.

But if you really, really think -30F is not that cold, then come on up. There seems to be a Free Montana project afoot, and we can use all free thinkers to help push it along.

bob

Spreadfire Arms
May 24, 2005, 01:10 AM
if you go to NV try not to go to Clark County. however, 70% of NV residents live there (Las Vegas). thats where the jobs and money are.

it is a Class III state but all pistols must be registered with the Sheriff's Office (LVMPD) and basically the residents are taxed to do damn near anything. if you work in a casino you need a sheriff's card. if you work in place that sells alcohol (regardless if you serve it) you need a TAM card. if you work in a place that sells food you need a health card. work in all 3 (a restaurant in a casino that sells food and alcoholic beverages) and you need all 3 cards. its all basically a tax.

CCW isn't inexpensive. the class can be expensive too. then you have to "blue card" all handguns. you must qualify on the exact pistol you carry under your permit, since they register it down to the caliber and S/N. qualify on your Glock .40, put in a drop in bbl to .357 SIG, and you're carrying illegally, unless you qualify on that .357 SIG too.

most of the jobs there are union and don't pay commensurate to cost of living there either. $10/hr job when a house costs $260,000 doesn't add up. both mother & father have to take on 2 jobs to buy a house in LV.....

444
May 24, 2005, 09:19 AM
That leaves out one important point that I have brought up in several previous Las Vegas threads: the cost of living here has been dramatically influenced by people moving here from **********. I don't know what "most" jobs pay. A $10/hour job is the same as a $10/hour job anywhere else: you would be unskilled and at or near the bottom of the ladder. Not many people at the bottom of the ladder in any area or profession are buying nice houses anywhere in the country. Any place that has a good, thriving economy is going to have a cost of living to go along with it.

Back to the ********** thing. Housing costs have been very high in ********** for years. People that bought a house several years ago, have seen the value of that house skyrocket: thus, they have a lot of equity in it. So, they decide to move to Southern Nevada. They sell their house and walk away with several hundred thousand in cash as their profit on their old house. They come to Las Vegas and TO THEM, the cost of housing is dirt cheap AND they have a lot of money in their pocket to put down or buy outright. This drives the prices up. It is a sellers market.
That being said, with interest rates what they have been for the last couple years, anyone that has a decent job (not emptying the trash at the buffet kitchen for $10/hour) can afford to buy a house.

TallPine
May 24, 2005, 10:38 AM
I promise, I won't bring any poverty, lawsuits, taxes, diseases, or severely infringing policies with me.
Well, maybe you won't, but many will.

The last straw in CO was when we were trying to cross the street in a crosswalk with our then young daughters, and got the finger and honked at, just for existing apparently.

A few weeks ago I talked to the guy who was clearing trees for the power company. He is from CA, and he said that everybody is nuts there.

2nd Amendment
May 24, 2005, 11:05 AM
I have to add a bit more perspective to what 444 is saying: The wife is manager for a large and very modern grocery store. Figured on a 40 hour week she brings home less than $10 an hour, and makes about $13.50 before taxes. This makes her one of the best paid employees in this county. Our house is a 3000 sq ft log home with roughly 1800 sq ft of wrap around porch and balcony, three years old, on a lake in the middle of 40 wooded acres.

Appraisal: $195k...(am I wrong to think it should have been a bit higher, based on what some of you guys are buying?)

So it's all relative. I'd think your prices are insane even before the Californicans get there, and there really are still places where costs and prices are almost normal. OTOH I'd love to have a copy of this piece of property near, say, LA? Few miles out...I'd retire now and enjoy life. :)

Oh, but, umm, don't move here for the costs. We have mosquitos that open screen doors, ticks that carry off small children and pets, water mocassins, copperheads, rattle snakes and, umm, oh yeah, Bloomington is WAY too close for comfort... :scrutiny:

dasmi
November 9, 2005, 12:39 PM
By the way, have you considered living on a boat?
Yes, I have, actually.

LBTRS
November 9, 2005, 02:49 PM
I grew up in Northern Idaho but I'm currently stationed in Oregon with the military. I have lived all over the Northwest and can tell you that Californians are destroying the entire Northwest. I personally have nothing against Californians but what I do have a problem with is that they bring the very politics they were running from and force them on the new communities they migrate too.

Places that have always been conservative are now liberal and elect liberal candidates thanks to the Californians that have moved in. Coeur d' Alene is one such place. It used to be a great place to live but now it's over run with Californians and their politics. I certainly would not move back to CDA. :banghead:

LBTRS

trbon8r
November 9, 2005, 03:36 PM
Let me get this straight. All the liberals from around the country have moved to CA because they either couldn't get a job in their home state, or got tired of freezing their arses off. Now these same libs are moving back where they came from. Sounds good to me!!!

It's poetic justice because you all are getting your own carpetbagging liberals back that you sent us over the last 50 years. If all the people left my neighborhood that aren't even from CA, 50% or more of my neighbors would be gone! As a previous poster pointed out, CA elected Reagan as governor and was a moderate state politically until the rest of the states and Mexico sent their dregs here.

If I had a buck for every fruitcake wannabe musician or actor I've passed on the road with out of state plates and their life's belongings in the back seat, I'd be able to retire.

LBTRS
November 9, 2005, 04:03 PM
Let me get this straight. All the liberals from around the country have moved to CA because they either couldn't get a job in their home state, or got tired of freezing their arses off. Now these same libs are moving back where they came from. Sounds good to me!!!

It's poetic justice because you all are getting your own carpetbagging liberals back that you sent us over the last 50 years. If all the people left my neighborhood that aren't even from CA, 50% or more of my neighbors would be gone! As a previous poster pointed out, CA elected Reagan as governor and was a moderate state politically until the rest of the states and Mexico sent their dregs here.

If I had a buck for every fruitcake wannabe musician or actor I've passed on the road with out of state plates and their life's belongings in the back seat, I'd be able to retire.

As I said, I grew up in Idaho and personally know of no one that has moved to California. I know hundreds that moved from California to Idaho and Southern Oregon is even worse. I'll keep my eyes open for all those people migrating out of the Northwest to California. :rolleyes:

idakfan
November 9, 2005, 05:28 PM
I'm in Idaho - it's a nightmare. Nazi's everywhere, two seasons - winter and road construction, **********ns are taking over.

:rolleyes:

Yeah right.

Drive to Las Vegas, then to Reno, then to Boise. Enjoy Boise :)

Idaho is one of the best States (if not the best) in the entire United States.

But be careful, when driving in from the Nevada border into Idaho you have to pay the Nazi Guards who are in Waffen SS uniform $10 in TOLL fees. :rolleyes:

The only thing I like better about Nevada is no State Income Tax. But it's just too damn polluted and crowded.

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