Is Tate on his way back to jail?


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Preacherman
May 24, 2005, 12:39 PM
Remember Lionel Tate, the guy who killed his sister in a "botched wrestling move"? Well, he's at it again... and since he's still on probation for 15 years, here's hoping that he serves at least that much time behind bars!

From CBS 2, NY (http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstories_story_144011452.html):

Young Killer Points Gun At Pizza Delivery Guy

May 24, 2005 1:03 am US/Eastern

PEMBROKE PARK, Fla. (AP) Lionel Tate, the youngest person in modern U.S. history to be sentenced to life in prison, has been arrested after a pizza delivery man said the teenager pointed a gun at him.

Tate, now 18, was being held early Tuesday at the Broward County Jail on charges of armed robbery and armed burglary with battery. He was serving probation following his release on a guilty plea to second-degree murder in the beating death of a 6-year-old family friend when he was 12.

Tate called in a pizza order Monday from a friend's apartment and pointed a gun at the delivery man when he arrived, said Broward sheriff's spokeswoman Elizabeth Calzadilla-Fiallo. The man dropped the pizzas and called police after returning to the restaurant.

The man returned to the apartment complex with deputies, saw Tate in the area and identified him as the suspect, said Calzadilla-Fiallo. No gun was recovered.

Attorney Richard Rosenbaum, who has represented Tate, told The Associated Press that Tate and his mother called him as he was being arrested. "I heard he jacked a pizza delivery guy, which I can't believe happened," Rosenbaum said. "I'm shocked and appalled."

Tate made headlines when he was charged with first-degree murder in the killing of Tiffany Eunick. He was convicted in 1999 and sent to prison for life without chance of parole. He won a new trial on appeal and went free in January 2004 under a deal that placed him under house arrest for a year followed by probation for 10 years.

Tate first claimed Tiffany was injured whey he imitated wrestling moves that he saw on television. He changed his story years later and said he accidentally killed Tiffany when he jumped on her from a staircase while his mother was baby-sitting the girl. Tate weighed 160 pounds; Tiffany weighed about 50.

He was arrested in September for violating probation by being out of his home overnight after an argument with his mother. A judge added another five years to the 10 years Tate had left on the original probation.

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TimRB
May 24, 2005, 12:53 PM
"He won a new trial on appeal and went free in January 2004 under a deal that placed him under house arrest for a year followed by probation for 10 years."

When will we *ever* learn that putting demented, sociopathic criminals back out onto the streets doesn't work? House arrest??? Probation??? At age **12** he purposely killed his sister!!!

Tim

Henry Bowman
May 24, 2005, 01:05 PM
A judge added another five years to the 10 years Tate had left on the original probation. BFD! How does this either punish/deter him or protect us?

TheEgg
May 24, 2005, 01:08 PM
Wasn't his sister. Family friends daughter.

He was a sociopathic killer at age 12.

He is a sociopathic killer now.

He will be a sociopathic killer forever.

The only question is will he kill more before society takes appropriate action?

dolanp
May 24, 2005, 01:29 PM
The modern 'life sentence' is one of the best arguments for the death penalty.

Rebar
May 24, 2005, 01:46 PM
The modern 'life sentence' is one of the best arguments for the death penalty.
Indeed.

One wonders how many people he'll kill while in jail.

Sportcat
May 24, 2005, 02:15 PM
Our tax dollars at work. :barf: :banghead:

Mr. X
May 24, 2005, 02:30 PM
At 12, and with his original crime, even though he killed someone, I might have given him the benefit of the doubt. He has now, without a shadow of a doubt, proven himself dangerous rather than misguided and should probably be re-tried in the original case, as I believe that double jeopardy doesn't apply when a verdict has been overturned and the prosecution opts not to pursue new charges - should this be the case (I don't care enough to look it up).

Sistema1927
May 24, 2005, 03:13 PM
"Mr. Tate, You have proven beyond doubt that you cannot live in civilized society. Therefore, I am sentencing you to serve the rest of your life in the penal colony at XXXXXXXXX. May God have mercy on your soul.

What we should hear more often. Let the sickos prey on each other.

TC66
May 24, 2005, 03:18 PM
Amen Sistema

Sindawe
May 24, 2005, 03:19 PM
Mr. Tate, You have proven beyond doubt that you cannot live in civilized society. Therefore, I am sentencing you to serve the rest of your life in the penal colony at XXXXXXXXX. May God have mercy on your soul. Yeppers. A penal colony from which there is NO parole and NO escape. I think the moon would do nicely.

As for this Tate fellow, if the claims of the pizza guy prove true, Tate has demonstrated himself to be unfit for living at large.

jefnvk
May 24, 2005, 03:22 PM
At least no one died in proving that he is unfit for society this time

foghornl
May 24, 2005, 03:28 PM
A penal colony from which there is NO parole and NO escape. I think the moon would do nicely.

I like this idea, but maybe re-opening Alcatraz or perhaps Papillon (The French ? penal colony island) would be less expensive than a one-way to the moon.

Mr. X
May 24, 2005, 03:35 PM
'Papillion' (butterfly, literally) is the movie, Devil's Island is the prison.

foghornl
May 24, 2005, 03:47 PM
Thanks, Mr. X. I couldn't recall the actual name of the place, but I did remember the movie about it.

Still like the idea of those kind of places, though.

And as to "The Parson's" original question, and thread title, I certainly hope so. Tate has proved himself to be unfit to roam free in society.

Missourigunner
May 24, 2005, 04:11 PM
I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now. " Oh this poor, misguided Child, he was probably spanked as a child, causing life long trauma>" or " The poor thing, probably didn't get hot lunches in school causing deficiencies in his learning." Puleez! want a good reason for the Death Penalty? here is one. :fire: :cuss:

Sindawe
May 24, 2005, 04:53 PM
I like this idea, but maybe re-opening Alcatraz or perhaps Papillon (The French ? penal colony island) would be less expensive than a one-way to the moon. The problem there is that people HAVE escaped from those places. Granted not many, but all it takes is one psychopath escapee in your life to ruin your day. It is a bit more difficult to get back to civilization across 385k kilometers of empty vacuum. Not much to breath, nothing to eat and the sunburn is killer.

Mr. X
May 24, 2005, 04:59 PM
Those who MAY escape pose less threat than those who are already on the outside and either uncaught or previously released. The convicts at Devil's Island had to stay in Guyana for as long as their original sentences once released, which should do nicely to keep dangerous criminals from affecting society as a whole once they are released, if ever.

Standing Wolf
May 24, 2005, 07:22 PM
A judge added another five years to the 10 years Tate had left on the original probation.

Wow. I guess that sure showed him, didn't it?

Mulliga
May 24, 2005, 11:58 PM
Yeppers. A penal colony from which there is NO parole and NO escape. I think the moon would do nicely.

The moon, after all, is a harsh mistress.

Kim
May 25, 2005, 12:24 AM
On O'Reiley he had the phychiatrist that interviewed and evaluated the kid. He spent 3 days on the evaluation. He determined he was an extreme danger to others and probably would always be. He said when the Flordia Supreme Court decided the case they did not read his testimony but relied on another done by the defense by a lady that did a 20 minute evaluation. I remember when this case was all over the news and it was reported as the defense wanted------ a kid playing too hard ----an addident. He mentioned the little girls had it think(26 significant injuries that were brutal) and this never was reported on the news but that is why the jury gave him life it was a brutal death and the autopsy pictures were horrific. Maybe the transcript will be up .. This story was a cover up by the media.

LiquidTension
May 25, 2005, 02:47 AM
Aww c'mon guys, you're all cold hearted conservatives. He obviously deserves another chance.


:rolleyes:

Hardware
May 25, 2005, 03:30 AM
I think one of the Aleutian islands would work well as a devil's island. It's a relatively hostile environment. There's no swimming off those islands, not when the hot summer water temp is below 45 degrees. Not much to speak of in the way of trees. The only drawback would be if a vessel in distress or survivors made landfall there.

outfieldjack
May 26, 2005, 09:23 AM
Well, he has now grown up.... from a young punk to an adult punk.

Risasi
May 26, 2005, 10:04 AM
Though I understand your reasoning for life imprisonment. This is not the answer, even if it is a penal colony.

Let me ask you this. A pitbull bites and crushes the neck of one of your children. Would you lock this dog up in "life imprisonment"? Or would you merely shoot him dead?

When justice is not carried out swiftly the hearts of men are turned to do evil. And this has been proven out time and again in our society (and almost all others), as the prison system is not the answer. It merely turns out hardened criminals.

Dump the jail system. Return to indentured servanthood to repay debts, and corporal punishment for stupid little crimes. Like theft, vandalism, domestic abuse. And bring in capital punishment for the nasty stuff. Rape, murder, horse stealing. Keep the innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. We might execute judgment on some innocents, but there would be a drastic reduction of this kind of crap in very short order.

I already know it's too late though. As a country we would have to throw out every law and reboot the system with the original Bill of Rights again. This will not happen with the current government system. Unfortunately I believe some major despotism and anarchy will have to set in. Which is why I shall keep a ready stash of defensive weaponry on hand to keep me and my own safe.

CZ-100
May 26, 2005, 08:15 PM
I hope he is.. This is where HE Belongs!

He used his mothers Handgun, she is a State trooper. She needs to have a talking to also.

one45auto
May 26, 2005, 10:32 PM
I remember debating his case with co-workers at the time, and back then I predicted he'd sooner or later wind up on the wrong side of the law again. There was no way he could have beat that innocent child to death without knowing that he was hurting her, because the severity of her injuries were such that she must have been screaming and begging him to stop. To have continued with an attack against a weaker individual under those circumstances clearly demonstrated a cruel nature, one with no regard for human life. An individual that evil at twelve years of age isn't likely to reform.

feedthehogs
May 26, 2005, 11:11 PM
Just as important in this case, 3 guns are missing from the house including his mothers duty gun. She is a Florida Hwy Patrol Po Po.

His mother needs to be severly delt with if not fired for her incompetence in storing her firearms, remember the po po are supposed to know better and to a lesser extent her apparent total failure as a parent.

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