[albanian]

I am talking about keeping the gun on a decent sized target as you pull the trigger as fast as you can or close to it.

The reason I ask this is because I am not very good at shoot most gun in rapid fire but I have found a few that are easy to hit with while shooting fast. .22lrs are not included in this list as I am mainly concerned with centerfire handguns that could be used in a self defense situation. The first person who doesn't read this part and posts that a .22lr can be shot the fastest, will be called a Jack Hole.

In order of best to good, no bad in this list.

1. Ruger P-95
2. Beretta 92fs
3. Kahr K-9

I have not shot many of the Glocks or the newer plastic guns so i may be missing some of the fastest ones.

[lunaslide]

This is such a personal thing, the answers you get might not be useful at all. In short, the gun that you train with the most is most likely going to be the gun that you aim and shoot fastest with, given certain parameters such as size and type of sights.

Personally, I still shoot fastest and best with my SiG P220, which has the factory combat sights (bar/dot configuration). Eventually, I may get better with my new carry gun because I've begun to train with it more than the P220 (new gun is a P239). But I've shot over 10,000 rounds through my P220 and until recently, shot with it at least once week in a combat style training course.

I am typically very wary about changing sights or grips or anything that will change the performance of my main gun without first trying them on another gun for awhile. My first priority is absolute reliability of the gun. The second is that I have trained well with it and know it's feel and function intimately. That second factor is generally going to determine how fast and well you shoot with any particular gun.

Hope this helps.

[DennisE]

My S&W PC 945 w/4"barrel. Dennis

[mrhuckins]

The one I have handy.

[sm]

Gov't Model 1911
K frame revolvers.

Learning to shoot DA with a K frame is why I do so well with The 1911. Learning to shoot DA with a revo teaches one so much - and these basics learned will make one a better shooter no matter what platform they may transiton to.

Heck , as long as the trigger is with a Keltec P-11 - I have about 20K rds thru mine, and I run it pretty fast...considering I got to "wait" on the durn thing.

From Concealment , first shot on target, my best times with 1911 [0.9] Model 64,[0.8] Colt DS [0.8] Keltec P-11 [0.8] Target was playing cards from 3yds to 5yds. I was in the "groove" and the wittle bit of lead in the shirt-tail didn't hurt. ;)

I literally wore out the six pack of A-Zoom snap caps in the first 10 days I had the P-11

No telling how many "hours" spent dryfiring DA a K frame over the years...starting at age 3.

[P95Carry]

In short, the gun that you train with the most is most likely going to be the gun that you aim and shoot fastest with, given certain parameters such as size and type of sights. That does really - all but sum it up.

Might be worth mentioning tho too - there are or will be - for different folks - different guns that no amount of practice will make fast. Fit, weight, recoil, all add up together to make some platforms just not ''work'' for some.

For me - now I have gotten into the SIG 226 much more - including IDPA useage - I really am getting somewhere. Last PPC shoot, we finished with some fun stuff - making exposures of 10, 8, 6, 4, 2 and then even one second. Draw from leather. One guy who is super fast with his Glock got two off IIRC on the one second - I was struggling. On two second tho I managed two hits and they were good... he probably had double that!

I ''grew up'' with revo's and can actually do almost as well there - I can ''tame'' my M28-2 with hot loads such that I can make six pretty effective shots and fast - well by my std's. My SP-101 - same - no probs with revo D/A. Like Steve I have done so many drills with revo - it is automatic.

Finally tho - now SIG is becoming so familiar - I feel that 15+1 and reasonable fast - is a good because of capacity - in the end the revo just does not/cannot match that. Never thought I'd say that once upon a time!

[Standing Wolf]

High Standard Trophy and Victor. I shot a 291 out of 300 possible points in rapid fire earlier this week.

[stealthmode]

i do well with my 1911

[Black_Talon]

1911. Nothing else comes close.

[MP-5]

Beretta 92F. A very light recoiling pistol. VERY fast! Won some police combat shoots in SD, CA with that pistol. I should break it out again. Too busy shooting SIG products. :p

[longeyes]

Either of my 1911s.
Then:
Makarov
Glock 30

[critter]

Hands down: HK P7KM8

The gas retarded action and the extremely low bore axis keeps it on target better than ANYTHING I have shot including 1911's, SIG's, Berettas.

[Seraph]

5" 1911 in .45ACP, of course.

[JoeHatley]

6 mags, 20 yards, rapid fire (well... fast for me).

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/952_rf.jpg

Joe

[Rembrandt]

Bolt action Carcano with a cheap scope.....don't believe me?, just ask the Warren Commission. :p

[Zak Smith]

http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/SV-1FASTER/small/138_3886_img.jpg (http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/SV-1FASTER/?medium=138_3886_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/SV-1FASTER/?medium=138_3886_img.jpg)

[HighVelocity]

1911's and the Springfield XD-9 oh and the Glock's. Can't leave out the J, K, L, and N frames, or maybe it's the Sigs, or Python or the Wildey or the Automag.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm faster with a 1911 then all the others. Yeah, I think. :neener:

[esldude]

My Glock using an Advantage Arms 22LR conversion kit. Guess that makes me a Jack Hole. Been called worse.

Anyway, the point being you can get lots of practice with the exact ergonomics of your centerfire. And mostly the gun you practice the most with is the one you will do best with within reason of course. So firing the 22 makes it cost effective. After a few thousand rounds, the addition of recoil from using 9mm doesn't upset my shooting too much. I can do far better with the full power ammo than I could before practicing with the 22 conversion.

[JohnKSa]

It's funny that you started this thread and listed the P95.

That's what I was going to list as well.

I don't know why, but I can crank the rounds out of that gun as fast as I can pull the trigger and they seem to just go where they're supposed to.

Normally I'm mediocre to poor when it comes to rapid fire, but that little pistol makes me look like a pro. I don't even really like it that much, but how can you argue with performance? I only bought it because one of the range owners I know uses them for rental guns and has been very impressed with their performance--mostly in terms of durability.

[cslinger]

No doubt in my mind the HKP7M8 or M13. The system is just good for fast shooting.

Chris

[P95Carry]

listed the P95. You called John?? :p

I forgot earlier in my post to add exactly that - indeed after the D/A first shot (very long pull) you can indeed get going real quick. maybe not quite the weight I enjoy with the SIG but - pretty darned fast is possible.

BHP with 30 round mag can be emptied too - like quick! :)

[JohnKSa]

Chris,

Last time I took my P95 to the range, the guy in the next lane made some comment to the effect that it sounded like I was shooting an UZI.

I don't know exactly why it works so well--it just seems to get back on target by itself. I started out with a relatively slow string and was pretty impressed. I kept speeding up until I was shooting as fast as I could work the trigger and still keeping them on target. The hard part was pretending that I knew I could do it all along... ;)

[P95Carry]

Thing is John I think - once that D/A long pull out the way - the S/A is very short indeed - so trigger effort is small - disturbance to gun is small and yeah - it does seem to get back on aim easily. Perhaps the shortest S/A pull I can think of.

Mine is for sure aided by the Hogue Handalls - make for better control IMO.

Sounded like UZI!! LOL - keeps folks on their toes! :D

The P97 also can be shot pretty quick - essentially same platform of course.

[Surefire]

Sig 220ST

Barely any recoil (I think due to the gun's mass), excellent trigger, and nice grips. Very easy to shoot fast and accurately.

[albanian]

"I don't know why, but I can crank the rounds out of that gun as fast as I can pull the trigger and they seem to just go where they're supposed to.

Normally I'm mediocre to poor when it comes to rapid fire, but that little pistol makes me look like a pro. I don't even really like it that much, but how can you argue with performance? I only bought it because one of the range owners I know uses them for rental guns and has been very impressed with their performance--mostly in terms of durability."

That is just what I have found. For whatever reason, the P-95 was a gun I could rapid fire the very first time I shot it. I have other guns that I have been trying to shoot fast and accurate but it takes much more time and effort to get to the point where the P-95 was from the begining.

[nero45acp]

Not an autoloder but; a 1974 S&W M10 4" heavy barrel, with a very smooth trigger.


nero

[HSMITH]

My splits between shots are virtually the same with my M19 Smith and my P14 Para.

[Estela216]

My Wilson CQB full size or my Colt Combat Commander that my gunsmiths worked on. One has a 3.5# trigger the other is a 3# trigger. Scary fast double taps!

Kev

[Jiml3]

My CZ75 PCR.

[BullRock]

I would agree, my p95D15! Close behind my USP C... :)

[crt360]

I will go ahead and be the first "wuss" to admit that despite my satisfactory shooting of my own .40 and .45s, I suspect the gun I can shoot the best, fast, would be my brother's CZ83 (.380) - despite my large hands it is perfectly ergonomic, has zero recoil, possibly the best trigger pull I have ever encountered on a semi-auto, and it is remarkably accurate. I'd be willing to bet a lot of others out there could also shoot this pistol better and faster than their favorite .45.

[IZinterrogator]

Beretta 92FS. I'd like to attempt it with my Sig P226, but the new range I am going to doesn't allow rapid-fire.

[will919]

glock 17
springfield loaded light weight 1911
glock 29 :D

[deltaopwong]

Browning Hi-power 9mm
HK P7M8

[kokapelli]

Colt 1903. With it's short single action trigger, all metal slide and frame and 22 like recoil from it's 32 cal round.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/jnib/images/ktog/pearlgrips_3.jpg

[Archie]

My fastest guns are the S&W revolvers I have. Either K or N frame, it depends on which I've been working with lately.

I can shoot a 1911 with fair rapidity. I shoot bullseye and shooting five rounds in ten seconds one handed is a pretty good exercise for rapid fire control. However, I must point out that multiple hits on the same target is an impressive trick, but not much practical value. Hits on multiple targets are useful, at least in theory.

Time to first good hit fast? Also one of those revolvers. They just seem to get on target faster than an autopistol. But probably not enough difference to make a serious advantage.

[R.H. Lee]

I'm deadly accurate on golfballs out to 25 yards with a Ruger MKII Target stainless (6 7/8 bbl). So much so, I would trust it for self defense. That skill transfers to large calibers (in semiautos), and especially to my CZ75B.

[gc70]

A full-size 1911 shooting light target loads; firing the guns disturbs the sight picture about as much as firing a typical .22 target pistol.

[Mark13]

M-11, I can dump all 30 rounds semi-auto in seconds. And I feel really really cool doing it.

[Krag]

1. S&W 686 (6" barrel)
2. Para 18.9 LDA
3. Para 16.40
4. Glock 34
5. S&W 65 (3" barrel)

[wally]

Bolt action Carcano with a cheap scope.....don't believe me?, just ask the Warren Commission.

Or the NRA HiPower shooters who duplicated the feat for a CBS special documentary, one even got five shots on target in the time alloted!


For me its clearly the 1911. I've tried just about everything else. I do have an old AMT single action .380 back up, lousy sights not really very accurate, but practicing with it at three yards I could empty it fast enough that people though I was firing full auto -- I almost always kept all shots in the 8-ring of the old style police shilouete target. Thats why I usually think of the "mouse guns" as a single shot shotgun that fires serially.

--wally.

[.40-.45]

my xd quicker than my 1911 but getting better

[Marcus]

9mm CZ-75B. Steel frame for some weight,fairly low bore axis,moderately light slide,pretty good SA trigger pull and a great grip. On a good day it`s like it`s on autopilot. :) Marcus

[Sharps Shooter]

My Kimber 1911 .38 Super. Then again, it's the one I've most practiced rapid fire with.

[PCRCCW]

My Makarov is the fastest, auto style and still being accurate. The next would be my Arcus 94 I sold....the thing just didnt recoil at all. The CZ PCR with FMJ's in it is a nice shooter too.
Shoot well......

[PowderBurn]

I'm very fond of my P226 and thought I was reasonably fast with it. Then my father came over last weekend with HIS 226...with Crimson Trace grips. I'd never used a laser sight before, but found it to be an awesome enhancement. Take a good combat handgun, slap on a first-rate laser system, and fasten your seat belt.

[1991gulfwarvet]

I would have said my 1911 a year ago, but now it is without a doubt my SIG P-220 :D

[gm]

I suppose my 6" ruger gp100 in 357 mag with hks speedloaders.. seems the more I shoot it, the lighter the trigger gets.my ruger competition model would be a close second, the slide release is too small for my thumb and Im always searching for it..

[MICHAEL T]

Centerfire round. Well my 25Auto Bauer ,followed by my 380 Mustang

[Clean97GTI]

Best: FNP-9 (its my girlfriend's though)
CZ75B
Makarov
Worst: FN Forty-Nine.

Worst shouldn't be an indication of a poor gun or poor shooter. The Forty-Nine kicks the hardest and is DAO. I can still manage consistent on-target double and triple taps.

[XD Niner]

My 1911. I shoot it in USPSA L-10 class.

[TaxPhd]

To find out what guns can be shot the fastest, look to the competitions that employ fast shooting. Since you aren't interested in .22's, then forget about Olympic rapid fire. The main contenders that remain will be IPSC/USPSA and IDPA (as well as some other minor, but similar, players).

No question, on average, the 1911 wins. Hands down. And before anyone takes me to task by pointing out how fast Jerry Miculek shoots a revolver, go back to the first sentence in this paragraph.




Scott

[M2 Carbine]

It's probably not what you had in mind but this AK pistol does a good job of
"keeping the gun on a decent sized target as you pull the trigger as fast as you can or close to it". :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/AKpistol2.jpg