Beretta 92 upgrades


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The Dutchman
May 27, 2005, 12:19 AM
Hi I am most likely going to buy a Beretta 92 FS. I hear there are a lot of modifications out there and was wondering what they are. Also by pure curiosity I admire the idea of Beretta Steel but I don't like the look of it compared to the 92FS, is it possible to get a 80% steel reciever out there? Thanks for your help

Sean

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recondoc
May 27, 2005, 01:15 AM
After having to deal with the Beretta during my deployment in Iraq, my recommended mod is to tie it to a line and use it as an anchor on your boat.

In all honesty, I can say the the M9 is a fantastic range/competition pistol. If you are in a nice, clean environment and don't have to trust your actual life to it, it is a fun and very accurate pistol to play with.

As a tool to defend yourself with in the worst possible environments, it is miserable.

I'm really tired right now but will go into more detail tomorrow.

Doc

Mixlesplick
May 27, 2005, 01:39 PM
I keep meaning to get the Wolff Trigger Conversion Unit but I haven't yet. I like shooting other pistols more than the Beretta 92 so I spend money on those instead.

Wolff Trigger Conversion Unit (http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/BerettaNF.html#TCU)

JNewell
May 27, 2005, 02:46 PM
I'm not sure what mods people are referring to. There is a reason why there aren't a lot of doodads and gizmos available for SIGs and Berettas -- they work just fine out of the box (unless you choke them with sand).

boing
May 27, 2005, 07:17 PM
The "D" model hammer spring will lighten up the trigger pull a bunch, without hampering reliability. Plus, you can do it yourself in minutes. A 17lb Wolff spring is comparable. A trigger job goes well with the lighter spring, too, but I haven't bothered to do that.

I don't know what other mods are common. I haven't wanted to change anything else on my 92 Centurion. :)

Skunkabilly
May 27, 2005, 07:32 PM
Carbon fiber grips.

Duh.

tc300mag1
May 27, 2005, 09:11 PM
Guys on the beretta forum says you can slap a 1911 19lb mainspring in will lower the trigger pull and make it soemwhat smoother ..

Fatelvis
May 27, 2005, 09:19 PM
Recondoc, Please elaborate on your previous entry. Im curious to hear how the pistol reacts in that environment. Thanks-

Shipwreck
May 28, 2005, 10:07 AM
I had read that to make the 92FS/M9 more Iraq friendly, you should put scotch tape over the holes in the mag. Also, the plastic guide rod w/ ridges seems to be more forgiving about sand than the round, metal one...

Sean Smith
May 28, 2005, 10:25 AM
After having to deal with the Beretta during my deployment in Iraq, my recommended mod is to tie it to a line and use it as an anchor on your boat.

The M9 pistols I was issued often weren't reliable, either, and I spent all my deployments in temperate zones like Bosnia and Macedonia. I'm talking spotty reliability even on a range, with the gun cleaned & lubed per the manual, in the majority of pistols I was issued.

I've shot Expert with one, but I have no faith in them as a weapon. Just my firsthand experience. People seem to have great experience with the civilian 92 series guns.

On topic, obvious mods are a trigger job, aftermarket sights and a match barrel.

http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=Beretta

mtnbkr
May 28, 2005, 10:56 AM
The 92F I had for a while never hiccuped once in the 400-500 rounds that I put through it (mostly FMJ, but about 150 HP as well). Mine had the D spring and was quite smooth from years of use (by previous owners, I only had it for a few months). Not being the best shot around, I'm not the right person to evaulate it's accuracy, but it was as accurate as any other gun I've shot and more accurate that many.

The only thing I did to it was to remove the trigger and use a dollop of 5min JB Weld to created a "redneck" overtravel stop similar to the triggers available from a famous gunsmith who's name I can't remember at the moment. I cleaned up the JB Weld with needle files and superfine sandpaper and you couldn't tell it from the trigger itself. The SA trigger after this mod was akin to the proverbial "glass rod breaking" that so many strive for. The DA trigger was equal to or better than the best S&W triggers I've experience.

I sold it only because it was too big for CCW and the balance wasn't quite to my liking (too light at the muzzle). I still regret selling it, but I console myself knowing that I sold it for a profit. :o

Chris

IZinterrogator
May 28, 2005, 02:30 PM
I had read that to make the 92FS/M9 more Iraq friendly, you should put scotch tape over the holes in the mag.Why didn't I think of that? :banghead:

*Slaps head in astonishment at his own stupidity*

agtman
May 28, 2005, 06:37 PM
"*** I am most likely going to buy a Beretta 92 FS."

Well, at least with the "FS" model, you shouldn't have to worry about the slide leaving the frame on recoil and impaling itself in your forehead. :what:

Walking around the base with that gash in their foreheads, courtesy of those pre-FS Berettas, a lot of our military guys couldn't salute without a medic present to administer a pain-killer. :D

Beretta remedied that, of course, hence the "FS" designation ("FS" = Fixed Slide). :scrutiny:

Still, it makes you wonder about the obvious paradox of those early military M9s: the 9-minimeter FMJ ammo was less dangerous to the enemy on the receiving end than the slides were to the good guys behind the gun. :rolleyes:

:neener:

shep854
May 28, 2005, 07:29 PM
For the straight story on the M9 slide separations:
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=378

recondoc
May 28, 2005, 08:00 PM
Alright folks,
I appologies for leaving this hanging. Daughter with a fever and on call at work.

I was issued a model M9 prior to leaving for Iraq. As a Corpsman this is all I'm officially authorized to carry. My daily maintainence routine was to clean the weapon with a dry dusting brush between 5-7 times a day. As long as I followed this routine, I would only have to beat the slide open with the handle of my knife on a few occassions. The pistol is a dust magnet and the crummy issue mags they handed out (Non-factory) made issues that much worse. I kept them loaded to only 12 rounds but had to shake the rounds out of them ever four hours or so and empty out all of the excess grunge. This was with a full flap, issue, Bianchi rig.

When I gave my M-16 (Imagine you didn't see this due to previous paragraph) to my SAW gunner when his weapon went down, I was left with only the M9. I tried various techniques and amounts of lubes from both the wet ie: CLP and RemOil, which sucked up the dust and made their own little mud pies inside my pistol, to dry graphite lubes, which lasted about 2 hours max.

This was a constant battle that was annoying. I got a very good deal on an AK during the fight for An Nazaria (Never fired and only dropped once) which allowed me a feeling of security in knowing that I had something in hand that would go bang when I needed it.

The M9 did go bang when I really needed it but a percussion or flint lock singel shot would have done just as well as the slide froze mid-cycle and that was that. Luckilly the shot went where I needed it to go. The energy from the round going off was enough so that I was able to clear the pistol and get back on target for a follow up double.

Each night I said my prayers and the words Glock, CZ and Browning were all in there. Unfortunately they were not answered.
Doc

Mark13
May 28, 2005, 10:40 PM
Wow, I can't imagine conditions so bad that a totally dry, holstered pistol would become inoperable in less than a day.

My 92fs has a "D" model spring which makes the pull much better. I also did the JB weld trigger overtravel stop thing, it works great, and costs nothing. I don't know what junk Beretta is selling the military but my 92fs is very nice, and spends all its time perfectly clean and oiled in my safe.

I have a *ahem* Glock for business and travel.

recondoc
May 28, 2005, 11:09 PM
I meant to relay another experience that happened in Iraq.
While doing one of my many cleanings, I ran my AP brush into the mag well. I then felt something go "pink" off on the top of my boot. I looked down to find that little key shaped trigger bar tension spring sitting nicely there on my boot. Had it been a night time cleaning, I would have had a weapon rendered useless.

Now all of my ranting may look like an absolute slam session on Beretta. It really shouldn't be interpreted that way as much as a slam on why the Beretta is not a suitable pistol for our military.

The M9/92 series pistols are fantastic shooters when in a bit nicer environment. I've heard lots of folks speak about amazing reliability from them and I've personally experienced fabulous accuracy from the ones I've shot.

Doc

JohnKSa
May 28, 2005, 11:41 PM
Wolff/INS trigger spring.
D Model Hammer spring.
EII hammer.
Hogue wrap-around grips.

Fed168
May 29, 2005, 12:51 AM
Nothing too out of the way. Trapper Inc. spring kit, hex head grip screws, Hogue grip panels, and lots of Elite II magazine rubber baby buggy bumpers.

JNewell
May 29, 2005, 02:07 PM
JohnKSa's post reminds that in spite of what I said above EL's trigger with the overtravel bumper is actually a very nice mod.

JohnKSa
May 29, 2005, 08:49 PM
JNewell,

I agree--but I don't know if they're available since Mr. Langdon changed jobs.

otomik
January 7, 2007, 06:31 PM
got a 92SB Compact

hogue rubber grips
skeletonized hammer
D mainspring
+2 lb recoil spring (14 factory, now 16lb)
Wolff INS trigger spring conversion
DIY triggerjob from Beretta Forum advice
general buffing of every contact surface
new style slide lock spring
MecGar 17-round flush fit mags

bought it used and I've put about a 1,100 rounds through it so far and it's 100% reliable.

10-Ring
January 7, 2007, 08:25 PM
The only mods I've made were to grips, hammer spring on my inox model & lots of ammo over the years :D

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/10-Ring/P1040072.jpg

RustyShackelford
January 7, 2007, 08:25 PM
A well known gunsmith named Ernie Langdon does custom work on Beretta series pistols(92/M-9 types).

I do not know his exact name/website but you should be able to track it down.

I had a Beretta .40 96D with several custom features(NP3 plated, rubber grips, night sights). It worked well for me. :D

Rusty

peashooter
January 7, 2007, 09:20 PM
Langdon Tactical is no longer in business. Ernie now works for S&W. Bummmer dudes.

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