"breaking news -- terror alert inceased to HIGH"


March 17, 2003, 08:33 PM
It's official, the government just increased our terror alert level to Orange -- High !!!

This is the second highest alert level.

This is due to the increased risk of a terrorist attack(s) because of pending military action in Iraq.


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Will Fennell
March 17, 2003, 08:36 PM
Just so we add firearms content, I just put a few extra loaded mags in the console of the pickup. I might even drop a softcase with the AR behind the seat:uhoh:

March 17, 2003, 08:39 PM
Yep, the AR15 will come in real handy when Iraq invades us!

March 17, 2003, 08:41 PM
I am switching from my regular P-32 pocket carry to my Beretta 92 with a pre-ban mag.

I also moved our "emergency supply kit" -- extra water, extra food, first-aid kit, extra ammo, etc. -- to our bedroom "just in case".

Any other ideas?

:eek: :eek: :eek:

March 17, 2003, 08:41 PM
I'll be the one with the rough lookin' SKS!:evil:

March 17, 2003, 08:42 PM
Think I might go buy some extra ammo tommorrow. Ya never know what'll happen. Maybe a couple more 30 rnd. mags.

Though I'm afraid if there is any kind of attack there won't be anyone to shoot at.

What can we actually do? makes me feel kind of helpless and I really don't like that.

March 17, 2003, 08:43 PM
Will, considering the cities that you drive to that may not be an unreasonable precaution, but I think I'll try to stay away from anyplace much bigger than Knoxville for the next couple of weeks instead.

David, chill man:rolleyes:

For everyone else, just stay calm. With respect to vulnerabiltiy, today isn't any different than yesterday and tomorrow will only be a little bit different for those of us here in the U.S.

If it makes you feel better set up a family emergency plan the same as if a tornado were to hit your community. Arrange for an out of state, or distant in-state, friend or family memeber to act as a communications relay for your family. Don't try to call each other just call your friend and have them let everyone know they are ok. Get prepaid calling cards from a reputable source so that you can use them for the call. Set up local assembly points that should be safe so that you and family/friends can meet if a problem were to occur. Make their selection dependent upon what happens where. Toss a case of water in the car and some food bars (more for comfort than practical purposes). Flashlight, reflectors, firstaid kit, emergency blanket, etc. Treat it as if you were seriously preparing for a natural disaster and you'll have done what you can to deal with non-specific threats.

March 17, 2003, 08:48 PM
I'm "chilled, man."

Just being smart and prepared.

Listen to the news, man, and you will see that our CIA, FBI, etc. think we are REALLY at risk this time if we invade Iraq!

As Sgt. Joe Friday said so many years ago, "just the facts, just the facts."

And, just my 2 cents.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

March 17, 2003, 09:06 PM
Quote from the washingtonpost.com:

"U.S. officials have said intelligence reports show a strong likelihood of some type of retaliation if the United States attacks Iraq. Attacks could come from organized groups or "lone wolves" who might be motivated by a war to act.

Officials have predicted a war and an increase in the alert status would spark a series of measures across the country which would be even tougher than during the 20-day "orange" alert warning period earlier this year. "

:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

March 17, 2003, 09:08 PM
Omg, you're more likely to get hit by a car on your way to work than to be struck by an "act of terror". Don't worry about it!

March 17, 2003, 09:19 PM
True, but keep in mind the ones that are struck by that act of terror had the same odds as you.

March 17, 2003, 10:14 PM
You're right. But I work in a restaurant. I honestly don't expect a terror attact to happen in or near that restaurant. You may be better off staying away from large gatherings and tall/famous buildings. But I don't think Memphis is known for any of that. I still don't get why we're #25 on the list of possible attacks.

Sean Smith
March 17, 2003, 10:27 PM
As The Bard himself once said...

Click here. (http://www.lordsoth.net/Aliens/133-Thats-it-man-GAMEOVER.mp3)


March 17, 2003, 10:33 PM
Soda's terror threat level raised to "cocked and locked.":neener:

Nathaniel Firethorn
March 17, 2003, 10:47 PM
I'm going to, uh, shoot a brick... :neener:

- pdmoderator

March 17, 2003, 10:51 PM
now mind you we're far enough away that we'll only be the indirect receipients of whatever manages to get this far from the cities, if anything. Just praying that if anything nasty goes down on the east coast our kids make it out here okay.

March 17, 2003, 11:05 PM
Mitch- You KNOW those radical Islamist types don't like Elvis!

Memphis (and all of Tennessee) may suffer collateral damage from an attack on Graceland:uhoh:

March 17, 2003, 11:28 PM
I had a Model 38, Model 296 and a Beretta Jetfire on me today, plus a 1911, P7M8, Model 64, Beretta AR70 and a Martini-Henry in the car.

...of course, everything after the Jetfire was just 'cause I was drivin' home from Oleg & Betty's crib. :D

Officer: "You got any guns in the car?"
Tamara: "What do you need?" :cool:

Ala Dan
March 17, 2003, 11:30 PM

Stay Safe and Shoot Straight-

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life member

March 18, 2003, 01:06 AM
I can't understand why anyone thinks we are more liable to get attacked when we go into Iraq than when we went after the dirt bags in Afghanistan.

I think we have to be alert but the noise of increased threat is, I feel, the liberal media blowing this way out of proportion and trying to frighten us away from the course we are on.

While I do believe there is an additional level of concern, there is no way it should be frightening us. Every day beginning 9/11 is as god a day as any for us to remain alert.


March 18, 2003, 02:24 AM
I knew my trick knee was giving me trouble for a reason. Trust that trick knee to be dead on when it comes to the terrorist forecast. :rolleyes:

March 18, 2003, 04:01 AM
Say Fastulus, is that a tinfoil hat I see on your knee?:D

March 18, 2003, 07:24 AM
I'm pretty screwed, I live right between seattle, the naval base in everett, bangor naval base in bremerton, and whidbey island naval air station. way too many targets to live near, especially since most of them are less than 30 miles from me.

March 18, 2003, 07:31 AM
I think I'll load another gun.:D

March 18, 2003, 08:32 PM
so is knoxville up or down wind from oakridge, you do know that there is a nuke plant in your nieghborhood???!!!:p

March 18, 2003, 09:39 PM
Nuke plant?

Who cares about that?

It's the Bomb Factory that's the big target hereabouts...

(...and no, I'm no more worried than normal. :rolleyes: )

March 18, 2003, 09:59 PM
I'm not worried about the Nuke plant as much as the Arsenal. See the Arsenal has not destroyed all those nasty nerve, chemicals--yet--see the gummit (again) 'gonna figure this all out.

Just had a bad thought what we could with the Arsenal stockpiles...wouldn't have to wait for the incinerator to be built...me bad.

March 18, 2003, 10:00 PM
Interesting site

You can cut and paste this if you wish, if it doesn't hyper link.


March 18, 2003, 10:02 PM
So little time, so many guns to load:banghead:

March 19, 2003, 08:10 AM
Nuke plant, what nuke plant? :what:

Considering the guard forces at the 3 DOE facilities in O.R. constitute a small well armed army I don't think that there's any vulnerability to terrorist attacks there.

BTW - hso stands for Health and Safety Officer which is the title for the person responsible for worker, public and environmental safety on a contaminated (rad/chem) waste site. I, or my folks, are the first in and last out of places that are being investigated/cleaned up for radiological, chemical, or biological contamination.

March 19, 2003, 09:04 AM
Considering the guard forces at the 3 DOE facilities in O.R. constitute a small well armed army I don't think that there's any vulnerability to terrorist attacks there.

...and if they can't take care of Timmy Tango, then Bucky The Five-Legged Whitetail sure will! ;)

March 19, 2003, 09:19 AM
Since our DOE and TVA facilities are fairly well protected, any terrorists in the area would be likely to go for more vulnearable targets (i.e. public gathering places like restaurants or malls, sporting events, the bridges on I-40 and I-75). Remember, the targets of terrorism historically are the population itself, to create a shock effect.

March 19, 2003, 11:43 AM
Buzz got it right, threat assessment/vulnerability assessment go hand in hand. If you live in a well-to-do neighborhood with lots of goodies that are easily portable you would have a higher threat of burglery. If on the other hand you are not very vulnerable, gated community, private patrol, noisy attentive dogs, limited escape routes, obvious alarm systems, the bad guy will go somewhere less valuable but much easier to hit. Reduced vulnerability results in reduced threat.

Military bases, commercial reactors, government sites where lots of dangerous materials are used/stored are hard targets with very low percentages for a terrorists. Little chance they would waste their limited resources on places where they would be killed without even getting close to anything valuable.

Look to high profile public places that have little if any strategic value from a military sense that would make good "symbolic" targets. The idea is to make the public fearfull of going about their daily business. That's why the call them terrorists.

one-shot-one, I live in SW Kville and work in OR to the NW of me. The prevailing winds are easterly so for the most part anything airborne should slide past to the north. Of course, if the wind shifts a little to the south it could put me on the edge of a plume. Considering the distance and dilution factor I'm not worried.

Joe Demko
March 19, 2003, 12:24 PM
You stand a greater chance of dying from heart disease than from terrorist action. Do you obsess this way over diet and exercise? I know, I know, dying from lard-clogged arteries lacks the drama of dying in a desperate shoot-out where you are protecting mom, apple pie, and chevrolet from the evil tangoes. If we are really concerned with self-preservation, and not adolescent day dreams, you are in more danger from saturated fat than you are from terrorists. Prepare accordingly. CCW is common sense. Running around with a battlefield-style arsenal is day dreaming.

March 19, 2003, 01:05 PM
But Armchair Airborne, Remote Control Recondo, and Concrete Commandos need something to hold them down to earth while they are fast forwarding through the dialogue to get to the action scenes in their favorite bit of carnography. :rolleyes:

March 19, 2003, 01:06 PM
You stand a greater chance of dying from heart disease than from terrorist action. More than 3,000 people thought the same thing one beautiful morning in September, 2001.

Joe Demko
March 19, 2003, 01:08 PM
Yeah? What should they have done to prepare, other than perhaps developing the gift of prophecy? Please do explain how bottled water and AR-15's in their cars would have helped any of them.

March 19, 2003, 01:25 PM
Your comment was directed towards the chances of dying in a terrorist event. I just wished to provide an example of how that is not necessarily so comforting.

As for bottled water and AR-15s, it might be an overreaction, it might not. If the planned protests and "direct action events" turn into riots as we can expect, having that degree of preparation (and firepower) might not be such a bad idea.

March 19, 2003, 01:56 PM
Whoa guys, you both have a point here. Even if you are at sites that have high threat levels you have no way to know when, if ever, you will have to suffer through the aftermath of any emergency, terrorist attack or not. The folks that didn't get out didn't get the chance, but the thousands of folks in the WTC that responded immediatly to the first impact and put their company's emergency evac plan into effect, or took the initiative and evacuated on their own, joined the 10s of thousands of folks that did not die in the attacks on the WTC but were displaced when the towers collapsed. Then there were the hundreds of thousands of folks who had frightened family. These are the folks that would have benefited from having family emergency plans.

My company had folks working at JFK airport and one of my guys was on the cell phone to me watching it while the WTC attack occured. We immediately decided to evacuate from the airport and tried to get our folks back to their homes, and families, before the roads became clogged and the tunnels, bridges, and ferrys got shut down. Very shortly all local cell and land line communication was clogged and the only way that my coworkers could get word to their families was for us to relay messages that they were safe via long distance (odd how we could get through after a few tries using long distance, but they couldn't make local calls effectively). They used the bottled water they had taken with them over the hours as they inched through traffic.

As to weapons, other than what you carry on a day to day basis for personal defence, you should have nothing to worry about.

March 19, 2003, 02:14 PM
I'm of the opinion that if everyone in this country had an AR and bottled water in their car the world would be a better place. So lets not knock and/or belittle people who make a different choice than you do. Especially a choice that has absolutely no bearing on you whatsoever.

- Gabe

Will Fennell
March 19, 2003, 02:24 PM
Of course you are right, bottled water and personal long arms stored in vehicles wouldn't have helped the victims of 9/11 a bit. Sad but true...

But I'm heading to the Atlanta metro area this weekend, and the country is at condition whatever it is.....a state of alert for terrorist acts.....it certainly won't HURT anything for me to take along a basic BOB and soft case with an AR and a couple of loaded mags.

If it makes you feel better, I'll have a grilled chicken sandwhich instead of a big mac while I'm in the car with my AR:rolleyes:

March 19, 2003, 02:39 PM
Mmmm. Chicken. ;)

March 19, 2003, 03:32 PM

With that nifty OU whatca need with a nasty old black gun? Also, you might want to stop at Subway instead of MacHeartAttack or Woundys :neener: Wait, I should be staying away from those places as well.:banghead:

Folks, if you want to throw a little extra ordnance into the car to cover all of the contengencis, fine. Just don't do it in place of more mundane, but potentially more useful gear.

March 19, 2003, 03:42 PM
... is that everyone is focused on "Islamic terrorists"...

After a couple of actions happen here at home, every fringe group with an agenda and an attitude, from ELF and ALF to the truely radical Right-to-Lifers, is gonna be out there thinking of things to blow up. Honestly, if every group that might strike were to, they'd run out of major targets rather quickly, and start hitting mom'n'pop stores...

I've also heard several people saying "it can't happen around here". Think for a sec... what would cause more anger and distrust in government that random shootings nationwide, while the majority of the govs money and effort is put into protecting "major targets"?

March 19, 2003, 03:53 PM
One benefit of living near the family range is that I don't have to worry about a lot of this stuff. One call back home and mommy will come save me! ;)

March 19, 2003, 04:10 PM
Like Al Bundy used to say:

"Let's Rock"

March 19, 2003, 04:37 PM
FWIW, I eat a lot of steaks, omelets, etc., and I've lost weight, my cholesterol has gone down (and the good went up), and I'm off BP meds, etc... The "subway diet" will make a lot of people fat, and it's hard to eat that way for a lengthy duration. Get in shape however you can.

Now for the rant...

Remember - the terrorists have historically been LOW TECH. I don't think we'll see nukes - even "dirty nukes." Remember - when they needed cruise missiles, they didn't design and manufacture 'em. They stole jets and improvised 'em.

I don't think that essentially hardened facilities have much to worry about. I do, however, worry about cells doing things on a "small" scale... What would the country as a whole do if someone drove a propane tanker into a mall at 5:30 p.m., and popped it? Doesn't matter if it's in New York or Nebraska - People will basically stop shopping... Small acts can have big consequences.

March 19, 2003, 04:39 PM
Oh yeah - If things get gnarsty, and there's things like roadblocks, etc., I suspect that the folks with ARs, etc., in the trunks are going to have problems.

March 19, 2003, 05:52 PM
http://www.ready.gov/ has a lot of focused information.

March 20, 2003, 02:05 AM
More than 3,000 people thought the same thing one beautiful morning in September, 2001.

Put it into perspective 3,000 people died in all of 2001 from terrorist attacks in America. That is 8.2 per day.

710,768 died of heart disease in 2000 (the last year the CDC has data), that is 1947.3 per day.

Not to say that Sept. 11 wasn't horrible, just that the likelihood of falling vicitm to a terrorist attack is not high on the list of things to worry about.

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