Liquor control agents disciplined for taking parking attendant into custody


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Richard G
May 29, 2005, 03:58 PM
This is unbelievable.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/11755049.htm

Associated Press


COLUMBUS, Ohio - Two state liquor control agents lost one day's pay for handcuffing a parking attendant and putting him in their car after he told them they'd have to pay $5 to park.

Fuad Mohamud, 23, said he approached a car outside a Columbus nightclub to collect the $5 lot fee, not knowing the men inside were liquor control agents. He said the men jumped out, handcuffed him, put him in the car and drove him around for a half-hour before releasing him.

Mohamud told Columbus police he had been kidnapped, but the detective told him the men were law officers making a valid arrest.

The undercover agents charged Mohamud with obstructing official business. They accused him of blowing their cover. The charge was dropped.

"That was a terrible charge," said Ed Duvall Jr., the unit's deputy director. "The gentleman was there doing his job, his lawful job."

However, he said the agents thought they were making a valid arrest and their union would protect them from more serious discipline. So, Duvall said, he approved an internal charge saying the agents filed a sloppy police report that led authorities to dismiss the case.

They also were disciplined for improperly transporting a prisoner because neither one sat with Mohamud in the back seat. One of the agents has since left for another job.

Mohamud said he was terrified. He is a Somali immigrant who has lived in Columbus for 7 years. He had no one who could bail him out of jail, he said.

"They told me, You're going to stay in jail like a week or two weeks."

Columbus police have ended their investigation because the agents didn't show criminal intent, spokesman Sgt. Brent Mull said.

"This might be a civil case or civil rights case that Mohamud could explore. But until we're called in, we wouldn't do anything else," he said.

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Vernal45
May 29, 2005, 04:09 PM
Stupid, stupid man. Dont get in the way of Police State POPO's.



Two state liquor control agents lost one day's pay for handcuffing a parking attendant and putting him in their car after he told them they'd have to pay $5 to park.

He said the men jumped out, handcuffed him, put him in the car and drove him around for a half-hour before releasing him.

Hmmm, one days pay. Unlawful arrest, unlawful detainment, kidnapping, violating his civil rights. ONE DAYS PAY is all they got slapped with. Geez.
DIFFERENT LAWS for the LEO's. This has to stop.

SouthernCynic
May 29, 2005, 05:19 PM
The ordeal of the Samoli gentleman underscores the sham of freedom in a country that zealously prosecutes supposed "vice."

Zundfolge
May 29, 2005, 05:22 PM
Hey now ... they don't tolerate this kind of obvious and flagrant cop bashing here on THR. :scrutiny:

Standing Wolf
May 29, 2005, 06:11 PM
Columbus police have ended their investigation because the agents didn't show criminal intent, spokesman Sgt. Brent Mull said.

I received a $90 ticket last week for driving with expired car license plates. I should get out of it, right? I certainly had no criminal intent.

Vernal45
May 29, 2005, 06:12 PM
I received a $90 ticket last week for driving with expired car license plates. I should get out of it, right? I certainly had no criminal intent.


But you are not a cop, so, no bad citizen, pay the fine. :D

RoyG
May 29, 2005, 06:57 PM
To quote G. Orwell's Animal Farm...

ďall animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Steve in PA
May 29, 2005, 06:57 PM
No "criminal intent" is needed for a motor vehicle violation. :neener:

deanf
May 29, 2005, 11:01 PM
So many unbelievable contradictions . . . .

The agents accused him of blowing their cover, but if they really wanted to perpetuate their cover, wouldn't they want to pay to park, thus appearing like eveyone else?

"That was a terrible charge" said a police supervisor. But then the arresting agents were charged internally with writing so sloppy a report about the incident that the man couldn't be charged. So it would have been ok if the report had been impecable, and the "terrible charge" could have been pressed against the poor sap?

Cosmoline
May 29, 2005, 11:13 PM
I wish I had a union to get me a slap on the wrist whenever I decided to assault people or kidnap them.

Art Eatman
May 30, 2005, 10:26 AM
I'm gonna "system bash", not "cop bash".

Speaking only for what I've personally seen in Texas, the booze cops seem to have less concern for the legalities than any other group in law enforcement.

The old joke here is that the Legislature changed the agency's name from "Liquor Control Board" to "Alcoholic Beverage Commission" because "LCB" was harder for the agents to remember than "ABC".

The reason I say "system bash" is because I've seen improper arrests where the arrestee's behavior was proper (no on-scene arguing about the law; awareness of "You can beat the rap but you won't beat the ride.") but within the jail and the court there was total support of the ABC guy--in spite of witnesses to the contrary.

Further, I have seen people arrested and incarcerated but no charges were ever filed. Or, a charge filed but NO further action about trial or charges dropped or any further effort at communication with the arrestee on the part of the court system.

This contrasts greatly with what I've personally observed with city cops or sheriff's deputies or highway patrol.

Weird.

Art

R.H. Lee
May 30, 2005, 10:32 AM
He said the men jumped out, handcuffed him, put him in the car and drove him around for a half-hour before releasing him.
Unlawful detainment, kidnapping, intimidation....What would a civil suit like this be worth????

308win
May 30, 2005, 10:55 AM
This is the same organization that recruited an (18 year old I believe it was) to use stolen ID to get a job as a stripper. This type of behaivor may be an indicator of what you get when you have one party government for 14 years running.

Keep an eye on Ohio. The Republicans are self-destructing and we could easily end up with an anti-gun governor but probably not legislature although anything may be possible given the last couple of weeks' events.

BB62
May 30, 2005, 11:01 AM
I'm gonna "system bash", not "cop bash".

Maybe you can help me here... THR seems more preoccupied than most boards about "cop bashing" or things defined as such.

Just what the heck do you/THR consider cop bashing? If it is lumping all cops together and saying "Cops xxxxx" then I MIGHT see your point, but otherwise, just what are you talking about?

To clarify, would you disagree with the statement "Cops like control"? This is undeniably a blanket statement, but I think an accurate one, given the number of cops I've talked to regarding their training. On the other hand, "Cops like to use the power of their badge" clearly falls into my definition of personal "cop bashing".

You clearly spelled out why you indict "the system" in your post (though the veracity of witnesses is not always clear, and THEN who do you believe?), not the individual cop, but...

I just don't get the "sensitivity" because I sure don't understand your definition. I'm confused.


BB62

[edited out query about booze cops]

Art Eatman
May 30, 2005, 12:37 PM
BB62, we have some folks here who seem to automatically see any police action as having been wrong. Gestapo-ish, etc. (We also have the converse.) There are many incomplete news reports where there is not enough information given to decide either way.

We wind up with threads with anecdotal reports of malbehavior on the part of LEOs, from across the country. The implication of many of these posts is that malbehavior is commonplace or even the normal pattern.

There is often little specificity in discussing causes of problems--when there are indeed some problems. That is, is it the training as to knowledge of the law and appropriate behavior on the part of that department's people? Is it a policy thing, coming down from the politicized leadership? Is it a lack of training in that department as to skill with the various items of weaponry, with training as to when to use what?

IMO, venting about Jack Booted Thugs does not solve problems of thuggery.

Sure, police are--and should be--trained in control. The caveat is that they should also be trained in self-control, and trained about whom to control. I submit that by and large, this latter is not a problem: The focus of control is on those in the public who appear to be causing some sort of problem.

The sensitivity here, I guess, stems in part from the basic rules of this Board. It also comes from a personal distaste on the part of the moderators for bashing in general. With my own engineering background, I've always been more concerned with analyzing problems and looking for solutions than I have in venting about them.

Speaking of which, I gotta go turn on a pump and fill my water cistern. "No water" is a problem. :)

Later,

Art

armedandsafe
May 30, 2005, 01:53 PM
Sure, police are--and should be--trained in control. The caveat is that they should also be trained in self-control, and trained about whom to control. I submit that by and large, this latter is not a problem: The focus of control is on those in the public who appear to be causing some sort of problem.

I have worked as an LEO, albeit only covert. When my son wanted to get into the job, I told him that being a cop required that he be willing to be a bully, but that he HAD to have that bully attitude under control at all times. Even if he was angry, having problems at home, worried about one of his own children, in debt over his head, being attacked by a perp, or whatever, he had to keep the bully attitude under HIS control at all times. "Never let the perp or circumstances control YOU."

He credits that advice with saving his life on at least one occasion in Iraq.

(I think I just sprained my shoulder patting myself on the back :D )

Pops

P95Carry
May 30, 2005, 02:25 PM
armedandsafe - I know what you are meaning here but might feel inclined to replace ''bully'' with ''being assertive''. True - bully approach can be toned down to near unnoticeable levels but - one thing some folks do complain about at times is, just that - when to extreme.

So perhaps I am being pedantic but - for me, professional assertiveness is just the ticket (oops, nearly a pun!). :)

spartacus2002
May 30, 2005, 03:02 PM
THR seems more preoccupied than most boards about "cop bashing" or things defined as such.

well, we've just identified one THR member who doesn't spend much time at AR15.com's General Discussion forum :D

Vernal45
May 30, 2005, 03:06 PM
THR seems more preoccupied than most boards about "cop bashing" or things defined as such.

Its not Bashing. Its holding LEO's accountable for their actions, and discussing said actions or inactions.

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