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Vernal45
May 31, 2005, 08:50 PM
Taser use remains on a roll.

Special Report: Police use of stun guns
Stopped speeder shocked twice
She berated officers and refused to exit vehicle

By Dani Davies

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Sunday, May 29, 2005

BOYNTON BEACH — Victoria Goodwin's spirits were high as she sped through Boynton Beach in her SUV that Friday morning.

She had just dropped her daughter off at day care and was heading to her mother's house to get her hair and nails done. On Monday, she would fly to Jamaica to be a contestant in a modeling competition.

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Boynton Beach officer Rich McNevin is shown in a department video using a Taser on driver Victoria Goodwin, who was charged with driving on a suspended license and resisting arrest without violence. She had berated officers and refused to get out of her vehicle. Police officials back McNevin's choice.
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In a 35-mph zone, she breezed past a yellow Mustang. Officer Rich McNevin, in the Mustang, clocked her at 52 mph.

He pulled her over.

Five minutes later, the young mother was squirming on the ground, her body electrified twice by 50,000 volts from McNevin's Taser.

Though Goodwin, 22, wants to sue the department, police officials say the officer's choice to use the stun gun was a good one that had a good outcome: No one got seriously hurt.

The incident was recorded by a camera mounted on the Mustang's dashboard.

It shows, at 7:50 a.m. on Aug. 6, Goodwin's silver Isuzu Rodeo pass by, McNevin following and eventually pulling her over.

As McNevin approaches the Rodeo, Goodwin opens her door and launches into a stream of criticism and questions. She tells him he pulled her over for no reason, says Boynton Beach officers are "the worst" and, according to the officer's report, calls him racist. He tells her that in addition to speeding, she has a broken windshield, a broken tail light and isn't wearing a seat belt.

At 7:54 a.m., a dispatcher adds one more offense to the list: Goodwin's license is suspended. McNevin tells Goodwin she is under arrest. He directs her to put out her cigarette, get off her cellphone and step out of the car. She says, "No, I'm calling somebody." He repeats his order and tries to grab her wrist, but she pulls away and says, "Stop. Don't touch me."

McNevin draws his Taser and points it into the car. A second officer opens Goodwin's passenger door and tries to grab her cellphone.

It's impossible to see on the video what is happening inside the car. In his report, McNevin wrote that "it appeared that Goodwin attempted to slap Officer Reynolds." She says she never did that.

At 7:55 a.m., McNevin, who has never shot his Taser before, fires the two probes from his stun gun into Goodwin's left arm.

She shrieks in pain and slides out of the car. Her body vibrates violently on the ground as she continues to wail.

McNevin shouts at her to turn over on her stomach and put her hands behind her back. Do it now, he says repeatedly. Do it now, or you're going to get Tased again, he yells.

The video doesn't show Goodwin on the ground. She cries out, "I can't."

Then, less than a minute after the first shock, another pop is audible, followed by the clicking sound of the Taser cycling another 50,000 volts into her body for five seconds. She screams anew and yanks one probe from her arm.

She sobs for several minutes, quietly, repeatedly whimpering, "Oh, my God."

The two officers put her in handcuffs, remove the remaining probe and walk her to a patrol car.

"It's over and done with," McNevin says. "We've been Tased before. We know it's not that bad."

Goodwin responds: "I don't care what you say. I've never been Tased before."

Sgt. Sedrick Aiken, a department trainer who watched the video, said McNevin's actions were appropriate, even ideal.

An officer facing a noncompliant person in a car has to consider several potential problems. If he physically forced Goodwin out of the vehicle and onto the ground, he might have injured her. She might have had a weapon hidden in the car. If he used pepper spray, her eyes could have been affected for an hour, or he might have sprayed his partner.

Goodwin was charged with driving on a suspended license and resisting arrest without violence. She was treated at Bethesda Memorial Hospital after complaining that her arm was numb, according to the report, and then transferred to jail.

Ten months after the incident, she has two small marks on her arms from the probes. She says she placed in the top 100 of 8,000 contestants in Jamaica.

Goodwin said the department has treated her family unfairly ever since a relative filed a lawsuit against the city in the early '90s. She had been calling her brother to come to the scene because, she told officers, "I don't trust y'all."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2005/05/29/a16a_taser_vig1_0529.html

"We don't get paid to have conflict with people," Aiken said.

Umm, Aiken is Wrong. Dead Wrong.

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LawDog
May 31, 2005, 08:57 PM
No, Aiken is right. We get paid to keep the peace. We get paid to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the State that we're commissioned in.

Conflict may be a part of the job, but it's not our job, nor are we paid to get into conflicts with people.

LawDog

AK-74me
May 31, 2005, 09:00 PM
As soon as i saw this on fox news today I knew Vernal would have it posted by sun down.

jefnvk
May 31, 2005, 10:21 PM
So, I guess you would have just told her to be on her way? What else would they have done, ripped her out of the car? They'd probably be facing a sexual harassment suit then.

Sean Smith
May 31, 2005, 10:25 PM
You know, Vernal, I'm pretty sure the Japanese have some kind of specialized porn for this fettish of yours.

Edited to add: 電光警察の性

griz
May 31, 2005, 10:26 PM
Not many specifics here, but my guess is it was just as the officer says. But I do wonder about the second zap. He told her to roll over and put her hands behind her back. I have never been tazed before, but I thought that would be difficult after the first shock. Isn't immobilization the purpose of a tazer? Not trying to be critical, I just don't know.

bratch
May 31, 2005, 10:33 PM
Griz

Then, less than a minute after the first shock, another pop is audible, followed by the clicking sound of the Taser cycling another 50,000 volts into her body for five seconds. She screams anew and yanks one probe from her arm .

If she could pull a probe out she could roll over,

Vernal45
May 31, 2005, 11:50 PM
You know, Vernal, I'm pretty sure the Japanese have some kind of specialized porn for this fettish of yours.


Sean, there is a term for folks like you that refuse to see the problems with LE, its call "head in the sand". :confused:

AK-74me
May 31, 2005, 11:54 PM
None the less if you don't see that it is some kind of obession of yours then you have your head in the sand!

R.H. Lee
May 31, 2005, 11:56 PM
In a 35-mph zone, she breezed past a yellow Mustang. Officer Rich McNevin, in the Mustang, clocked her at 52 mph.
Prolly a mouthy beeyatch, too. She got what she deserved.

jefnvk
May 31, 2005, 11:59 PM
Sean, there is a term for folks like you that refuse to see the problems with LE, its call "head in the sand".

Since I obviously have my head in the sand, could you explain where the officer went wrong?

AK-74me
June 1, 2005, 12:05 AM
I think that I have solved one those dead rapper mysteries! You all may remember the rab artist known a Easy-E who reportly died several years ago after recording the song "F*** the Police" with his group NWA.



I believe he just went under ground and became known as Veranl 45 and now spreads his word on gun disscusion boards.

walking arsenal
June 1, 2005, 12:12 AM
This thread isn't goingto last.

DMF
June 1, 2005, 12:16 AM
Isn't immobilization the purpose of a tazer? Not trying to be critical, I just don't know. Immobilization is a purpose of the TASER. However, it only immobilizes the person while the shock is being delivered. The affects cease as soon as the shock is stopped. TASERs deliver no more than a 5 second shock, and the shock can be terminated in less than 5 seconds if the officer chooses. Therefore teaching use of the TASER trainers instruct the officer to deliver the next verbal command AFTER the shock is no longer being delivered, because the suspect cannot comply while being shocked, but can after the shock has stopped.

Most experts on use of force, consider the TASER to be a lower level of force than using OC spray, or using "empty hand" controls, and it is certainly a lower level of force than strikes, whether delivered with the body or a baton.

Injuries associated with the TASER are extremely rare, with the most common of those rare injuries being the result of falling if the subject is shocked while standing. Deaths associated with the use of the TASER are even more rare, and so far have only been associated with people who have risk factors for a cardiac event. Being high on cocaine, meth, and some other drugs is one of those risk factors.

Jammer Six
June 1, 2005, 12:23 AM
Didn't we just have this discussion?

If a cop wants you out of the car, you're getting out of the car.

You'll be happier if you do it under your own power, voluntarily.

It's the way those of us who support the police want it.

The rest is arm waving.

Standing Wolf
June 1, 2005, 12:25 AM
...Victoria Goodwin, who was charged with driving on a suspended license and resisting arrest without violence.

No sympathy whatever.

nico
June 1, 2005, 12:25 AM
As soon as i saw this on fox news today I knew Vernal would have it posted by sun down.
lol if a cop was cited for J-walking he'd post the story within the hour.

AK-74me
June 1, 2005, 12:26 AM
Who cares if this thread last there are probably 5 more started by him on the first page that are about the same thing.

loose cannon
June 1, 2005, 12:28 AM
gee i wonder how all the wonderful supporters of this outrage would like it if their wives or daughters got taser fried after having a bad hair day with their local barney fife????

bet we'd really hear a seachange in their attitudes then.

griz
June 1, 2005, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the answers guys. This place amazes me with the depth of knowledge avalible.

AK-74me
June 1, 2005, 12:37 AM
As we talked about on this topic a couple weeks ago. If my wife or daughter acted that way then I would have no sympthay for them either. It is really not that hard. You get pulled over you conform to the officer even if you think he is in the wrong. You then have a day in court to try to fight it. To try to argue with the cop at the scene will end the same way everytime and you are not going to be on the winning end of it. What do think the cop is gonna say?

cop : Maam I pulled you over for speeding
Loud mouth lady in car : Shoot I wasn't speeding you better get your radar checked.
cop: o Ok maam I am sorry I guess my radar was off you have a good day now.

taliv
June 1, 2005, 12:38 AM
the second zap was probably uncalled for.

but it's hard to feel a lot of sympathy for her.

still, it wasn't very wise to taser her in the first place. clearly, the public is going to side with soccer moms, especially with the media bias against police doing their jobs.

the nut is that it won't take but a few more of these and cops will lose their tasers.

loose cannon
June 1, 2005, 12:50 AM
i just have issues with 2 trained law enforcement officers using a weapon on a unarmed woman.

where i come from theyd have her out of the car in handcuffs without raising a sweat or bending her hairdoo.

FunGunner
June 1, 2005, 12:55 AM
gee i wonder how all the wonderful supporters of this outrage would like it if their wives or daughters got taser fried after having a bad hair day with their local barney fife????

If my child was driving on a suspended license, dangerously speeding, and mouthing off at the police, they would be more worried about what they would have to face when they got home.

And for my wife, she got the right to vote and is old enough to sleep in any bed she makes.

jefnvk
June 1, 2005, 01:05 AM
i just have issues with 2 trained law enforcement officers using a weapon on a unarmed woman.

Again, I ask what are you going to do? Did she recieve any permeant injuries from the taser? How was this much different from grabbing her, dragging her out of a car, and dropping her to the ground to cuff her? All we would be hearing about then was how she was overpowered and the police used excessive strength on her.

Goodwin said the department has treated her family unfairly ever since a relative filed a lawsuit against the city in the early '90s. She had been calling her brother to come to the scene because, she told officers, "I don't trust y'all."Goodwin said the department has treated her family unfairly ever since a relative filed a lawsuit against the city in the early '90s. She had been calling her brother to come to the scene because, she told officers, "I don't trust y'all."

That tells me she had problems with the police. I doubt that the police sat on the side of the road waiting to nail her on a speeding charge. She however, was probably not going to cooperate in any way with them. Anything they did was going to be turned upside down by her to make them look bad.

DMF
June 1, 2005, 01:47 AM
where i come from theyd have her out of the car in handcuffs without raising a sweat or bending her hairdoo. Well I guess where you come from the girls don't fight when they're mad. I on the other hand have seen women do some damage when they decide to fight. So in a situation like this it's up to woman whether she wants to come out and get cuffed with her hairdo in place, or whether she wants to fight, and therefore force needs to be used.

Just because it's a woman, and the officers are men, does not change the reality that woman can, and often do, attack and injure people, incuding LEOs, and woman can and do resist arrest in such a way that makes it impossible to get them controlled without, "raising a sweat or bending her hairdoo."

Reality is much different than what some people delude themselves into believing.

DSRUPTV
June 1, 2005, 02:21 AM
There are a lot of ways to get someone out of a car and the taser is probably the best way to get someone out who is really fighting to stay in. I would wager that if someone was trying to get me out of a car with just the use of empty hands and no striking that it might take them a while, and they might not get it done. The same is true for handcuffing. Would you rather the officers grabbed her and yanked her out causing probable bruising (also risking her head strinking something), struck her, or simply tased her causing no lasting effects?

cowboybobb693
June 1, 2005, 08:49 AM
After watching the video, the Officers actions were appropriate. The "lady" was verbally abusive, non-compliant and BREAKING THE LAW !!!!! speeding, broken windshield, taillight, suspended license etc..
I have no symphathy for her at all. If you or I acted that way how long would it take your state to revoke you CHL??? how bad of a butt whipping would you have gotten ??
MATURE adults comply with the Police, they do not abuse, hassle or give grief to those that are sworn to protect us.
I'm sure that if something happened to her child she would be calling the poooolice, not her brother.

Marko Kloos
June 1, 2005, 09:04 AM
Just because it's a woman, and the officers are men, does not change the reality that woman can, and often do, attack and injure people, incuding LEOs, and woman can and do resist arrest in such a way that makes it impossible to get them controlled without, "raising a sweat or bending her hairdoo."

Heh. No joke. An ex-LE friend of mine once told me that the worst butt-whupping he ever got in uniform was by a female that he outweighed by a good forty pounds. She just didn't want to get arrested that day, I suppose.

Don Gwinn
June 1, 2005, 09:07 AM
Now that we've had a silly thread made sillier with suggestions of taser fetish pr0n and resurrected cop-hating rappers, I think we can safely conclude that THR doesn't need this thread anymore.

Think twice, post once. Please.

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