Permits and legality (two issues)


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ddgrc84
May 31, 2005, 11:09 PM
I have a colleague who maintains that his fully automatic weapons are fully legal for him to own and shoot without a permit of any sort. Have things changed in the last few years? I recall that a special permit and form were required for owners of fully automatic weapons.

Issue two is suppressors. The same colleague also steadfastly argues that his suppressed .22's (among others) are not regulated, indeed suppressors are not illegal at all.

he keeps using the phrase "NFA."

I'm nearly certain that he is in the wrong, but i need some backup to help. i don't want to see him in trouble.

JJ

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insidious_calm
May 31, 2005, 11:15 PM
As far as I understand it, and I am not in a state that permits suppressors or automatic weapons, your friend is technically right. There is no permit per se, but the items must be registered and a tax paid on them. You must have proof that you have paid the tax on those items with the items at all times. Anyone of legal age with no criminal history is technically able to own the aforementioned so long as they are legal under your state laws. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will be along shortly.

Out of curiousity, what state is it?



I.C.

jefnvk
May 31, 2005, 11:46 PM
I dunno if your friend is playing with fire, or just using technical terms.

When he got the weapon and supressor, he had to pay a $200 tax on each. He should have the paperwork. That is pretty much a permit.

Regardless of what he calls it, he has some sort of paperwork saying he did indeed pay his tax to own those weapons. If not, and the ATF comes a knocking, he may not be shooting for a while.

ddgrc84
May 31, 2005, 11:50 PM
Sorry, forgot to incude my state earlier.

I'm in Georgia.

JJ

Standing Wolf
June 1, 2005, 12:26 AM
I have a colleague who maintains that his fully automatic weapons are fully legal for him to own and shoot without a permit of any sort.

That's the way I read the Second Amendment.

fjolnirsson
June 1, 2005, 12:44 AM
That's what my copy of the Bill Of Rights says. The BATFE is apparently not reading from my copy.

Bubbles
June 1, 2005, 09:59 AM
Your friend is right, at least as far as Federal laws are concerned. There is no special permit required to own National Firearm Act (NFA) stuff like machine guns, suppressors, destructive devices (e.g. rifles larger than .50-cal), and AOW's (any other weapons). A lot of people get that confused with the $200 excise tax collected by the government every time an NFA device is transferred on a BATFE Form 4 between private owners.

Some states do have their own laws regulating NFA firearms. For instance, in Virginia, machine guns have to be registered with the State Police, but not suppressors, destructive devices, and AOW's. Also, some states don't permit hunting with a suppressed rifle, while others do. Fortunately Virginia permits it, so after several decades of deer hunting I won't have to deal with tinnitis. :)

Check out James Bardwell's FAQ on NFA Firearms (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt) if you're interested in more info.

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