[richyoung]

Imagine my suprise to read in the Alamo rules and regulations that any concealed weapons had to be checked at the security office, and entry into any of the buildings while carrying was prohibited. Got to hand it to the Rangers at the office, they were very cool and non-chalant about locking up my fanny pack for me, and gave me no hassle about getting it back. Still, it strikes me as odd - if only Santa Anna had thought of this! "I'm sorry Senior Crockett - no guns allowed in the mission....you'll have to check Ol Betsy at the security office."

[jsalcedo]

Unless there is a proper 30.06 sign posted in English and Spanish with one inch letters on a contrasting backround displayed at every entrance then the rule is bogus.

Many places put up meaningless signs to scare people into compliance.

Here is what you look for:

PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN.

CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO.

A legal trespass sign that bans the carrying of licensed concealed handguns in Texas must be posted as above. The lettering is to be in one inch block letters, contrasting colors, in two languages, with the specific wording shown above. A sign made according to these specifications will be two to three square feet in size.

[MechAg94]

http://www.tsra.com/CHLInfo.htm

See the link in the middle of the page.

[Lennyjoe]

Interesting. I was there last summer and didnt see the signs.

Needless to say, the Kimber stayed in its proper place.

[dolanp]

Isn't it owned by the government? They shouldn't even be allowed to post a 30.06.

[duckslayer]

From the Alamo's website under FAQ...

Who Owns The Alamo?
The Alamo is owned by the State of Texas and operated by the Daughters of the Republic of Texas. Although many believe that Alamo is only the church, or Shrine, it is actually a 4.162 acre complex composed of original structures dating back to the mission period, a gift museum, a library, meeting hall, support facilities, and gardens.

If there is a proper 30.06 sign, it is unenforceable.

[TallPine]

PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN.
So ... if you are not licensed, then it is okay to carry a concealed handgun into the property ...?

:neener:

[MechAg94]

That is covered by other state laws.

[richyoung]

I didn't see any "30.06" sign - just words to the effect in rules posted to the entrance - any San Anontio members care to give us tthe straight skinny?

[El Tejon]

Last there June of 2004, I noticed no .30-'06 signage. :scrutiny:

[Standing Wolf]

Sounds like a triumph of Mexican law over Texas law.

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I was there in late March and there was no sign.

I *could* tell you if I was carrying concealed, but that's the whole point.
:D

Regards,
Rabbit.

[bamawrx]

I visited the alamo a year or so ago and did not see any signs, but there was a sign on a store across the street. Always felt strange in texas having to constantly look for those stupid things.

[rock jock]

Are you sure this wasn't a tour of the basement?

[No_Brakes23]

Let's boycott the Alamo! ;)

On a slightly more serious note, what an ironic number for a firearms related law...

So...can you open carry?

[DonNikmare]

Well, this reminds me of a couple of soldiers on leave that were caught in the Alamo last summer. I think one had a 'loaded gun' in the other one's 'holster' or was in the process of putting it there. ;)
It was a boy and a girl soldier I think.

Nik

[Hawkmoon]

http://www.tsra.com/CHLInfo.htm

See the link in the middle of the page.
Okay, I went to the page. There are a lot of links that might be described as "in the middle of the page" but I didn't find anything that suggested anything about the Alamo. Could you be a bit more specific as to what we're supposed to find there?

[DigMe]

The Alamo is most definitely NOT posted .30-06. I've carried there. There is a little sign that I saw once that has all the rules listed and no concealed carry is mixed in there somewhere. I ignored it. The Daughters of the Republic are a bunch of catty, bumbling, backstabbing gossips unworthy of running and owning such a place anyway (at least their leadership is). They can stick it.

brad cook

[HankB]

I don't know about the Alamo specifically, but some businesses put up "No Loaded Guns" or similar signs (sometimes on a brass plaque!) simply to placate the liberals - they KNOW that a sign failing to meet the very specific requirements of PC30.06 has no legal standing . . . and CHL holders know it, too.

[MechAg94]

Hawkmoon, the link "in the middle of the page" was refering to the link on the 30.06 sign. I didn't see anything on the Alamo either. It is state owned land and there were changes made the last few years that limits those signs on land owned by state and local govts.

[thatguy]

The irony of posting no guns at a battle site...

Almost like no guns signs on gun shops (I've seen this)...

The idea of posting no guns signs anywhere (like, the criminals care)...

[chris in va]

It's not a National Park, is it?

[duckslayer]

No, it is owned by the State of Texas, and as such, one with a valid CHL recognized by Texas can carry inside the Alamo, despite the posting of any "no guns" signage.

[cidirkona]

Here in Az, any "no guns" sign is law as long as it is posted and ledgible.

PS Does anyone else find it odd that a handgun rule is named "30.06?" Is there a rifle rule named ".40s&w?"

-Colin

[duckslayer]

It refers to Chapter 30, section 6 of the Texas Penal Code. It is odd that it happened to be in that section, but I don't believe it was planned to refer to the cartridge in any way.

[cpileri]

Aren't there some places in TX that do NOT have to post, and are still 'no CHL' zones?
And CHL holders are responsible to know what those places are!
I know that secure areas of an airport (i.e. beyond the security checkpoint) is one.

What about State parks? Like I did the mission trail in San Antonio, the one that ends at the alamo and begins a little south, and the grounds are not posted but there is a BIG official looking sign on the door to the tourist info office that states that you cant carry in there and that a CHL is no exemption from the restriction. it quotes some regulation that is a bunch of letters, dots, and numbers. The sign is not in the proper 30.06 format.
But is it simply to indicate that the visitor's office was one of the places that doesn't need to post but you can't CHL anyway?

Like a High School Sporting event; can't CHL there (in TX).

There are others.
Maybe a nice, pocket sized laminated list of places that dont need a 30.06 but still are off-limits to CHL in TX would be a money maker at gun shows?
C-

[cidirkona]

Duckslayer- it was a joke. :)

-Colin

[duckslayer]

I knew you were joking, but I have seen quite a few people confused in the past about it so I just thought I would clarify for everyone.

Cpileri,

The only places restricted without posting the sign are jails, bars, polling places while voting is taking place, courthouses, schools, pro or school sporting events, and racetracks where gambling is allowed.

State parks cannot post any legal sign to keep CHL's from carrying, nor can any other state or local government property, i.e. libraries, city parks, etc.

Nothing on the Alamo property can be legally posted, not matter what their sign says. Before 2003, the Alamo could restrict it, but the legislature changed it so that no government entity (federal notwithstanding) could prohibit concealed carry. So pack away!

[cpileri]

But the missions are part of the national park service- a federal facility, right?
Can a FEDERAL park in TX post a non-30.06-looking sign and have it be a legal posting?
C-

[duckslayer]

See here (http://www.thealamo.org/asked.html#fifteen) for the Alamo's web page describing that the 4 acre complex of missions and such are owned by the State of Texas, not the fedgov.

[HankB]

there is a BIG official looking sign on the door to the tourist info office that states that you cant carry in there and that a CHL is no exemption from the restriction. it quotes some regulation that is a bunch of letters, dots, and numbers. Anyone can post anything they want, and make it look as official as they want. But just because something LOOKS official doesn't mean it's legally binding or enforceable. If it's not one of the places specifically set out in the law where concealed carry is prohibited (secure part of airport, most sporting events, polling places during a vote, a place that makes 51% of its sales in liquor for on-site consumption, etc.) they need to post a compliant PC30.06 sign or be a Federal facililty that doesn't have to. (Oddly enough, I've read that military bases fall into this latter category.) The sign is not in the proper 30.06 format. So it means nothing.

[dolanp]

Can a FEDERAL park in TX post a non-30.06-looking sign and have it be a legal posting?

If it is federal property then they don't have to comply with TX law on posting. 18 USC 930 does require notice but no specific wording is required.

[cpileri]

So the missions on the mission trail (EXCEPT THE ALAMO), which are National Parks,thus FEDERAL land, do not have to post 30.06. They can post any type of sign, official looking or not, or NO sign at all; and still be legally off-limits to TX CHL. Correct?
C-

[Dain Bramage]

You can carry all you want in "The Alamo", since most of the original mission is outside of the current park. In fact, the boulevard in front of the shrine runs through the old courtyard, and people routinely drive over where Crockett and Travis died.

The current park is somewhat "inside-out" from the old mission, as can be clearly seen when viewing the dioramas of the battle. The most famous view of the Alamo is the facade of the shrine, which faced into the original courtyard, but now faces out of the park.

The reason for this is that the city of San Antonio overgrew the old mission and razed the courtyard long before anyone thought there was anything worth "saving" for history.