Locals input on unpermitted carry in AR,TX,MS,AL,GA,&SC ?


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Poodleshooter
June 1, 2005, 07:21 PM
I've read over packing.org's data,but would like to know what might apply to a traveler passing through these states. I've got a VA permit, which covers me in VA,TN,LA and NC,but the states in the title don't accept VA permits. I'm planning on getting a Utah non-resident permit to cover these states,but that won't happen in time for my next trip.
If residents of the states in the title (AR,TX,MS,AL,GA,& SC )could please comment on what non-permitted carry is allowed,I'd appreciate it.
Particularly I'm concerned about the "traveling" exceptions in AR and TX law that appear to allow car carry on a long trip,but aren't very explicit as to what is allowed. I'm also wondering if local LEO's there interpret those sections favorably.
GA and MS appear to allow loaded carry in the glovebox/console.
AL,SC appear to allow only the Federal carry standard- locked with ammo and gun seperate in the trunk,with no unpermitted carry.
Any caveats for an out of state pistol packer?

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ctdonath
June 1, 2005, 07:27 PM
Go spend some quality time at http://www.packing.org

dolanp
June 1, 2005, 07:30 PM
A law was passed in TX which will most likely soon be signed and effective 9/1 that will eliminate the gray area on traveling. However, until then it's iffy. Technically you should be covered if you are traveling across TX, but a local LEO could still decide to give you a hard time.

yucaipa
June 1, 2005, 10:34 PM
Here in Ar. as I understand it, with a loaded gun in the car, not CCW you should be alright as long as you are travailing not doing anything else (tourist)

In Ar. you are not required by law to tell a Leo you are carrying, so just smile,sign the ticket and say "thank you very much officer"

INAL

As you posted, Florida/Utah CCW would solve your Ar. problem. Good Luck.

lawson4
June 1, 2005, 10:50 PM
SC allows carrying a handgun in the closed glove box, console, etc of a vehicle. It need not be locked and the gun may be loaded.
Do not transport in a box sitting on the seat, under the seat, wrapped in a towel, etc., or on your person.

Rick

Tinker
June 2, 2005, 12:06 AM
From what I understand of Alabama law, if this state does not have a reciprocity agreement with your state, you may still transport a firearm, but not loaded. It would have to be unloaded, in the trunk in a "secure wrapper".

lwsimon
June 2, 2005, 12:13 AM
AR says "on a journey" you're kosher in your car, concealed. Case law is unclear, one instance says "outside your circle of acquantances", the other says "at least one nights stay away from home". If your'e passing thru the state w/o stopping, or only stopping for the night, you should be okay. You may not beat the ride, but you'll beat the rap. Stear clear of the larger cities. Fayetteville area seems OK, Little Rock is not. Hot Springs is partly a nation park, so it is basically verboten.

Poodleshooter
June 2, 2005, 02:05 PM
Go spend some quality time at http://www.packing.org
I already have (per my post). What I'm really looking for is what these folks above have provided- local info.
Packing.org's SC page didn't lead me to believe that glovebox carry was ok. I'm going to look into that some more. The traveling exceptions are admitted to be exceedingly vague even on packing.org's pages for AR and TX. That's where local info, opinions of LEO's etc. comes in.
Thanks all and keep them coming!

Luku
June 2, 2005, 02:17 PM
you might want to check out www.opencarry.org to see if you can open carry in those states.

io333
June 2, 2005, 02:38 PM
EVERYONE should have a Florida card. If you had one, combined with your VA card you would be covered in every state you mentioned except SC. The SC situation should be fixed within a few months (lots of folks are working on them). I know it's a little late to get a new CCW card now, but for the future you ought to consider it.


Edit: now that I've actually *read* your post, I see you'll be getting a UT card. That's just as good, but I think the Fla card is less of a hassle to obtain.

Poodleshooter
June 2, 2005, 06:43 PM
Edit: now that I've actually *read* your post, I see you'll be getting a UT card. That's just as good, but I think the Fla card is less of a hassle to obtain.
:)
Utah is actually about 1/2 the price of Florida and gives me some additional states. It is a hassle because of the training, but gives me everything that Florida does plus Washington and Minnesota (though packing is unclear on this),but minus PA ($19 non-res). I can't really use PA as I never go there except on through trips to NY where handguns are a no-no for we peasants. With my VA license (good in WV), I'd have around 30 legal states to carry in!
Collecting these things looks like it will be quite entertaining.

JohnKSa
June 3, 2005, 12:32 AM
In TX, you're ok while travelling.

But if you stop for the night at a hotel and then go driving around looking for a restaurant, you're not travelling anymore. At that point, it would have to be in your trunk or in the hotel room. Inaccessible to the driver or passengers.

You may as well leave it loaded. There is nothing in the TX weapons laws that differentiates between a loaded and an unloaded firearm.

RealGun
June 3, 2005, 08:52 AM
The SC situation should be fixed within a few months (lots of folks are working on them).

Nope. The SC training requirement will not be waived without electing some different Senators. This will never make sense or be remotely fair until SC residents no longer have a training requirement or until a training requirement becomes nationwide or until the Feds take over the licensing issue or until licensing is declared unconstitutional. I don't see any of these being realistic in any near term.

farscott
June 3, 2005, 02:04 PM
In Georgia, there is specifc wording in the relevant legislation that allows a person to keep a loaded firearm in the vehicle in plain sight or in a glove box/console.

Concealed carry outside of your vehicle, residence and/or place of business, including hotel rooms as a residence, requires a permit issued by Georgia or one of the states that has reciprocity with GA. The state attorney general keeps a list on a web site. As of May 1, 2005, GA recognizes permits from Alabama, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

Carrying a firearm is forbidden in public-owned buildings, churches, political events, sporting events, and places where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises, including restaurants with a liquor license.

The relevant GA code is this:

16-11-126 (a) A PERSON COMMITS THE OFFENSE OF CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON WHEN SUCH PERSON KNOWINGLY HAS OR CARRIES ABOUT HIS OR HER PERSON, UNLESS IN AN OPEN MANNER AND FULLY EXPOSED TO VIEW, ANY BLUDGEON, METAL KNUCKLES, FIREARM, KNIFE DESIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, OR ANY OTHER DANGEROUS OR DEADLY WEAPON OR INSTRUMENT OF LIKE CHARACTER OUTSIDE OF HIS OR HER HOME OR PLACE OF BUSINESS, EXCEPT AS PERMITTED UNDER THIS CODE SECTION. (b) UPON CONVICTION OF THE OFFENSE OF CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON, A PERSON SHALL BE PUNISHED AS FOLLOWS: (1) FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE, HE OR SHE SHALL BE GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR; AND (2) FOR THE SECOND OFFENSE, AND FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE, HE OR SHE SHALL BE GUILTY OF A FELONY AND, UPON CONVICTION THEREOF, SHALL BE IMPRISONED FOR NOT LESS THAN ONE YEAR AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. (c) THIS CODE SECTION SHALL NOT PERMIT, OUTSIDE OF HIS OR HER HOME, MOTOR VEHICLE, OR PLACE OF BUSINESS, THE CONCEALED CARRYING OF A PISTOL, REVOLVER, OR CANCELABLE FIREARM BY ANY PERSON UNLESS THAT PERSON HAS ON HIS OR HER PERSON A VALID LICENSE ISSUED UNDER CODE SECTION 16-11-129 AND THE PISTOL, REVOLVER, OR FIREARM MAY ONLY BE CARRIED IN A SHOULDER HOLSTER, WAIST BELT HOLSTER, ANY OTHER HOLSTER, HIPGRIP, OR OTHER SIMILAR DEVICE, IN WHICH EVENT THE WEAPON MAY BE CONCEALED BY THE PERSON’S CLOTHING, OR A HANDBAG, PURSE, ATTACHÉ CASE, BRIEFCASE, OR OTHER CLOSED CONTAINER. CARRYING ON THE PERSON IN A CONCEALED MANNER OTHER THAN AS PROVIDED IN THIS SUBSECTION SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED AND SHALL BE A VIOLATION OF THE CODE SECTION. (d) THISCODE SECTION SHALL NOT FORBID THE TRANSPORTATION OF ANY FIREARM BY A PERSON WHO IS NOT AMONG THOSE ENUMERATED AS INELIGIBLE FOR A LICENSE UNDER CODE SECTION 16-11-129, PROVIDED THE FIREARM IS ENCLOSED IN A CASE, UNLOADED, AND SEPARATED FROM ITS AMMUNITION. THIS CODE SECTION SHALL NOT FORBID ANY PERSON WHO IS NOT AMONG THOSE ENUMERATED AS INELIGIBLE FOR A LICENSE UNDER CODE SECTION 16-11-129 FROM TRANSPORTING A LOADED FIREARM IN ANY PRIVATE PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE IN AN OPEN MANNER AND FULLY EXPOSED TO VIEW OR IN THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT OF THE VEHICLE; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT ANY PERSON IN POSSESSION OF A VALID PERMIT ISSUED PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 16-11-129 MAY CARRY A HANDGUN IN ANY LOCATION IN A MOTOR VEHICLE. (e) ON AND AFTER OCTOBER 1, 1996, A PERSON LICENSED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN ANY STATE WHOSE LAWS RECOGNIZE AND GIVE EFFECT WITHIN SUCH STATE TO A LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS PART SHALL BE AUTHORIZED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN THIS STATE, BUT ONLY WHILE THE LICENSEE IS NOT A RESIDENT OF THIS STATE; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH LICENSE HOLDER SHALL CARRY THE HANDGUN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

16-11-127 CARRYING DEADLY WEAPONS TO OR AT PUBLIC GATHERINGS. (a) A PERSON IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR WHEN HE OR SHE CARRIES TO OR WHILE AT A PUBLIC GATHERING ANY EXPLOSIVE COMPOUND, FIREARM, OR KNIFE DESIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. (b) FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS CODE SECTION, ‘PUBLIC GATHERING’ SHALL INCLUDE, BUT SHALL NOT BE LIMITED TO, ATHLETIC OR SPORTING EVENTS, SCHOOLS OR SCHOOL FUNCTIONS, CHURCHES OR CHURCH FUNCTIONS, POLITICAL RALLIES OR FUNCTIONS, PUBLICLY OWNED OR OPERATED BUILDINGS, OR ESTABLISHMENTS AT WHICH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES. (c) THIS CODE SECTION SHALL NOT APPLY TO COMPETITORS PARTICIPATING IN ORGANIZED SPORT SHOOTING EVENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, PEACE OFFICERS RETIRED FROM STATE OR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, JUDGES, MAGISTRATES, SOLICITORS, AND DISTRICT ATTORNEYS MAY CARRY PISTOLS IN PUBLICLY OWNED OR OPERATED BUILDINGS.

16-11-128 CARRYING PISTOL WITHOUT LICENSE. (a) A PERSON COMMITS THE OFFENSE OF CARRYING A PISTOL WITHOUT A LICENSE WHEN HE OR SHE HAS OR CARRIES ABOUT HIS OR HER PERSON, OUTSIDE OF HIS OR HER HOME, MOTOR VEHICLE, OR PLACE OF BUSINESS, ANY PISTOL OR REVOLVER WITHOUT HAVING ON HIS OR HER PERSON A VALID LICENSE ISSUED BY THE JUDGE OF THE PROBATE COURT OF THE COUNTY IN WHICH HE OR SHE RESIDES, PROVIDED THAT NO PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR PERSONS WITH A VALID HUNTING OR FISHING LICENSE ON THEIR PERSON OR FOR PERSONS NOT REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE HUNTING LICENSES WHO ARE ENGAGED IN LEGAL HUNTING, FISHING, OR SPORT SHOOTING WHEN THE PERSONS HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE LAND ON WHICH THE ACTIVITIES ARE BEING CONDUCTED; PROVIDED, FURTHER, THAT THE PISTOL OR REVOLVER, WHENEVER LOADED, SHALL BE CARRIED ONLY IN AN OPEN AND FULLY EXPOSED MANNER. (b) UPON CONVICTION OF THE OFFENSE OF CARRYING A PISTOL WITHOUT A LICENSE, A PERSON SHALL BE PUNISHED AS FOLLOWS: (1) FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE, HE OR SHE SHALL BE GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR; AND (2) FOR THE SECOND OFFENSE, AND FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE, HE OR SHE IS GUILTY OF A FELONY, AND, UPON CONVECTION THEREOF, SHALL BE IMPRISONED FOR NOT LESS THAN ONE YEAR NOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. (c) ON AND AFTER OCTOBER 1, 1996, A PERSON LICENSED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN ANY STATE WHOSE LAWS RECOGNIZE AND GIVE EFFECT WITHIN SUCH STATE TO A LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS PART SHALL BE AUTHORIZED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN THIS STATE, BUT ONLY WHILE THE LICENSEE IS NOT A RESIDENT OF THIS STATE; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH LICENSE HOLDER SHALL CARRY THE HANDGUN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

45crittergitter
June 3, 2005, 02:10 PM
In MS, lawful, sane adults, both residents and nonresidents, are allowed in-car carry, whether "traveling" or not. No permit required. No concealment test, no glovebox rule. Some exceptions exist, such as school campuses, military bases, and the Natchez Trace Parkway (National Park). You are also allowed it at your place of overnite stay (motel). If, however, you wish to walk around with it, restrictions apply. Being a traveler is a defense to illegal carry outside the car/motel, not an exception. For instance, if you are caught with it on you while paying for gas you can be charged, and only when you get to court can you claim the defense, then it's up to the court.

Happy traveling and welcome to MS.

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