More thoughts on "Collateral"


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TonyB
June 3, 2005, 03:27 PM
Watched it agian last night...man what a great movie....this morning I got up and watched the extra dvd......I loved the fact the Tom Cruise did that trainning with the Brit. intel. guy(SAS)..he looked like he could really shoot...it got me wondering what his stand is on guns and 2a......anyway he did say he loved it(the trainning)it would be great if we had big time star in out corner....although I do wonder if they special effected his quick draw....if not I'm impressed......of course after the movie I was thinking,"man I NEED to carry an auto instead of this old revolver...."
Of course after seeing Saving Pvt.Ryan I was convinced I NEEDED an M1 :D

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Rotty
June 3, 2005, 04:12 PM
Yes you do need a M1, and yes you do need an auto.
I agree Collateral was a great movie....awesome gunplay.

clipse
June 3, 2005, 05:26 PM
Enemy and the Gates made me want a WWII era sniper rifle. :)

Colateral was a great movie. I'll have to watch it again tomorrow. :D

clipse

P95Carry
June 3, 2005, 05:33 PM
I am still looking forward to seeing that movie. Found this GIF clip tho which is rather good tho small. I believe Tom did some quite intense tactical training to get this far - looks good.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/wNzg4MDM1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE3D.gif

Bulldozer
June 3, 2005, 07:20 PM
What's wrong with packing an old revolver? I'd stack my 65LS or 66-2 3-inchers against anybody.

I shoot them much better than any auto.

But yeah, Collateral was a hell of a movie. Cruise exhibited some competent gun-handling.

The_Shootist
June 12, 2005, 03:22 PM
Some real good scenes in that movie - can't beat Michael Mann for some edgy fight scenes.

But yeah, the BEST scene was the "Hey homie..." scene. Poetic justice - Cruise epitomizing the stone cold contract killer dusting two individuals that simply DEFINE scumbag - maybe too accrurately (ie chrome SNS - looked like a Bersa - scruffy looks, attitude etc).

By the way - can anybe really DEFINE the Mozambique drill, which some of the other posters say thats what Cruise used.

bratch
June 12, 2005, 03:28 PM
Mozambique drill as I understand it is simply 2 shots COM 1 shot to the head. You can see him do it on the second guy.

Curare
June 12, 2005, 03:55 PM
Cruise is no fan of 2A rights.

It's the great hypocrisy of Hollywood: They make money off of violent movies imbued with guns and then say how horrible they are.

DSRUPTV
June 12, 2005, 05:16 PM
I just saw it a couple days ago and I liked it as well. I thought the gunning was pretty good. It's a shame that actors are willing to use guns to make money, but will turn right around and berate them politically.

Lone_Gunman
June 12, 2005, 06:31 PM
It certainly is believable that Cruise is another Hollywood anti, but does anyone have any references or quotes to actually confirm it?

KaceCoyote
June 12, 2005, 06:52 PM
I cant think of anyone in the scientologist camp that are pro 2a, just my observation.

Lone_Gunman
June 12, 2005, 07:17 PM
Kace,

How many scientologists do you know?

TarpleyG
June 12, 2005, 07:22 PM
I cant think of anyone in the scientologist camp that are pro 2a, just my observation.
Well, I have it on good authority from a friend that shall remain unnamed that the guy that heads up Front Sight and a bunch of those folks are Scientologists and that they try and use the school in an attempt to locate wealthy patrons to induct into their 'religion'. I have no reason to doubt him.

Greg

Justin
June 12, 2005, 07:32 PM
I just watched Collateral last night on HBO. It's an enjoyable movie. Vincent's gun handling was quite good.

The bit with Felix was good.

Interesting technical note: all of the outdoor scenes were shot using high-definition video, while those that take place indoors were shot on film.

KaceCoyote
June 12, 2005, 07:39 PM
Admittedly your right. I dont know many, I dont pretend to be an expert. I didnt say scientologists were any gun, just that I couldnt think of any.

Still your right, I'll refrain from sweeping statements. My opinions on subject of scientology will await a more appropo venue.

taliv
June 12, 2005, 10:09 PM
i enjoyed the coyote in koreatown while they played my favorite audioslave song as much as or more than the shooting scenes in _colateral_.

the thing i like about the clip p95carry shows is that it looks like the guys fall over more from a combination of shock and because cruise is moving towards them, and not the typical hollywood "the bullets spun them around the threw them 6' backwards" crap.

Cosmoline
June 12, 2005, 10:25 PM
Well, I have it on good authority from a friend that shall remain unnamed that the guy that heads up Front Sight and a bunch of those folks are Scientologists and that they try and use the school in an attempt to locate wealthy patrons to induct into their 'religion'. I have no reason to doubt him.

It couldn't be that someone who is a Scientologist feels strongly about the RKBA and set up a training program. Naah. It's easier to fall back on good ol' religious bigotry. Let's find out what the religious beliefs of other gun trainers are, and see if we can find some nice mud to fling at them on that basis. I hear some of them are LDS, and a friend of mine said the Mormons use mind control techniques that work unless you have your tin foil on tight.

I keep an ear out for anti-gun comments, and I cannot remember TC making a single remark about the subject one way or the other. A google search shows no references. From what I know of him, Cruise keeps his mouth shut on political matters apart from generally nonpartisan charities for AIDS, 9/11 and the like. If someone can find a quote from him on the RKBA issue one way or the other, post it.

lysander
June 12, 2005, 11:38 PM
Collateral was an excellent film...typical job well done by Mann. Regarding the "quick draw hey homie scene", I seem to recall seeing a "how it was made" short that showed Cruise's part was shot in front of a bluescreen and superimposed onto the bad guys. The range between shooter and target was too close for the full flash blanks that they used...

Either way...still a cool scene...and still a good film.

It also sure would be nice if Mr. Cruise were a Pro 2A guy...but I think in modern Hollywood that it is a no-no. If you are a shooter...you keep it on the "down-low" as they say, for career protection purposes.

greyhound
June 13, 2005, 12:19 AM
It's a shame that actors are willing to use guns to make money, but will turn right around and berate them politically.

Example: I have never heard Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie give an opinion about RKBA; yesterday I am in the Galleria Mall here in gun friendly Birmingham, AL; every 5 feet there is a poster for "Mr and Mrs Smith" with Brad with a 1911 cocked and locked, Angelina with a small semi auto tucked in a garter, yet can't stop thinking that if the tons of people in that mall knew that I, a legal CCW permit holder, had a 642 in a IWB holster they would freak out.

I am not sure exactly what I am trying to say here; this mall in suburbia is most liklely not much (key word "much" - Alabama is NOT Maryland or Massachusetts) different from those in (suburban) Boston, LA, San Francisco, or my home for 30 years Baltimore - how can most people feel at ease with actors holding evil handguns in posters yet
get "the vapors" about legally armed fellow citizens?

flatdog
June 13, 2005, 12:46 AM
http://home.sprynet.com/~frfrog/mozam.htm

Ironman
June 13, 2005, 10:31 AM
great film, bought it the week it came out.

Yowza
June 13, 2005, 11:35 AM
Greyhound, I was thinking exactly the same thing a couple of weekends ago while at the local mall with my wife.

Rick

Spreadfire Arms
June 13, 2005, 12:57 PM
i think L.A. Sheriff's Office has also dubbed the "2 to the chest 1 to the head" as the "Failure Drill."

richyoung
June 13, 2005, 01:16 PM
How could Cruise be anti? He owns a P-51, Montana Miss, and thats got 6 .50 cals.

roo_ster
June 13, 2005, 06:08 PM
...a friend of mine said the Mormons use mind control techniques that work unless you have your tin foil on tight.

Hey, thanks for the warning. I've got two Mormon families on my street. Time to head to Costco to get the industrial-grade tinfoil!

Vernal45
June 13, 2005, 06:10 PM
An old Master Sgt I served with also called it, ANTI ARMOR SHOOTING.

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