If you went to war, what would you take?


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Lone_Gunman
March 18, 2003, 08:42 AM
If you were called to military duty, and they let you take your own handgun, what would you take?

Would it be something you already have?

Would you go out and buy something new?

Or would you be willing to stick with the Beretta M9?

I think I would go with a Glock 21 (which I dont even own right now), assuming I could get hi cap mags for it, and break it in before going.

Otherwise, I guess I would stick with a 1911.

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ZekeLuvs1911
March 18, 2003, 08:45 AM
I would take my Wilson Protector 1911A1 with plenty of #47D magazines. So far, it has been performing flawlessly and accurately.

Joe Demko
March 18, 2003, 09:10 AM
For the sake of commonality of parts and magazines, I would stick with the M9. Of course, I'd prefer to leave the handgun at home and carry a few extra magazines for my rifle instead. If required to have a sidearm, though, I'd go with the M9.

cratz2
March 18, 2003, 11:30 AM
Ever the logistician, it'd have to be a 9mm or else you better bring a whole bunch of your own ammo. :p

I like the Beretta design just as much as most newer designs but I guess all else considered, I'd just as soon as a Glock 17.... or an 18. ;)

D_Burchfield
March 18, 2003, 11:40 AM
I'd want my trusty BHP 9mm due to availability of ammo and reliability of design. Beretta M9 if I melted down my BHP.:D

TrapperReady
March 18, 2003, 11:59 AM
Golgo-13 has the right idea, at least from an infantry standpoint. Either keep with the standard issue M9 or carry some more ammo for your rifle. In fact, it might be preferable to carry a couple extra belts for the machine gunners. Hell, in the desert, in MOPP gear, I'd rather carry an extra canteen than a pistol.

I've known many, many combat veterans, and of those, only one used a pistol in a firefight, and he was a helicopter pilot. Conversely, I've never heard of anyone complaining about having too much ammo for their rifle once the shooting started.

The fact of the matter is that if you have to go to your pistol, things are so totally f-ed that it doesn't much matter at that point.

If you happened to be in a support role, the M9 would still be the best choice for a pistol. Remember, from a military standpoint, the best weapon is something for which there is a reliable supply and maintenance channel.

Ol' Badger
March 18, 2003, 12:03 PM
A well armed woman! To watch your back and rubb it after a hard day of shooting third wolrders :D Possible two of them. Cloned from Nicole Kidman ;) Yea thats the ticked. And maybe my Colt Combat Commander. I'll pick up a AK somewhere along the way.

bogie
March 18, 2003, 12:05 PM
What I'd take?

Lots of protein bars, soap, deodorant, a few rolls of toilet paper. I'd maybe want a scope I could mount on the typical M-16/M-4 variant.

Otherwise, the Army has better gear than I do, excepting the "accurate" rifles..

BerettaNut92
March 18, 2003, 12:09 PM
I like the way my Beretta is set up, but I'll take as many 15 rounders as I can :D

(I'll bring some of those rubber basepads too ;) )

cheygriz
March 18, 2003, 12:23 PM
With the M-16 and the M-9, I would feel that I was better armed than any other soldier in the world. Present or past.

Quartus
March 18, 2003, 12:34 PM
Alright. I'll be the first to say it.



EXTRA UNDERWEAR!!! :what:


Oh, you asked about handguns. As was mentioned, it's a last ditch device, so oodles of ammo is not a consideration. My 1911, and a case of ammo. Certainly far more than I am likely to need.

Might try to sneak a good bolt .308 on board, too. Never know when you might want to really reach out and touch someone. And a good knife. And one to keep well hidden. Try to, anyway. Captures do happen.


'Course, the military frowns on bringing your own stuff. Least they did when I was in. But when you're mech infantry, you have more options for stashing stuff than, say, airborne.

Let's just say I usually lived good in the field.

Lunch? C-rats? Time for a Snak Pak! Oh, and those roll up sportsman's hammock beat sleeping on the ground. :D

I still remember getting chewed out for a lime green down jacket I wore on some ops at night. Hey, it was cold, alright? It was fine and tactical when the moon was behind deep clouds (it was a BLACK night!), but that bugger had to poke its nose out. :what:


Sergeant Eldridge: "YOU! Where'd you get that jacket!?!?"

PFC: "I bought it down at the camping store in town, Sarge. Why?"

Sergeant Eldridge: Drop jaw. Stare. Walk away, mumbling...




How I eventually made sergeant is a mystery. :D

cordex
March 18, 2003, 01:10 PM
Handgun?

Nah. I'll take a good radio, GPS, laser designator and dedicated air support with gunners that like me a lot.
And an extra magazine or two for the rifle.

Quartus
March 18, 2003, 01:13 PM
laser designator


Sounds like a spotter's gear, but what's a laser designator?

cordex
March 18, 2003, 01:28 PM
Sounds like a spotter's gear, but what's a laser designator?
Sort of out of date since GPS guided bombs are all the rage now, but used to be you'd get some fine young gentleman on the ground to point a little laser at a target and the wee flashing dot would tell certain falling bombs to pretty, pretty please come play. Can be used with a few kinds of arty shells too.

ocabj
March 18, 2003, 01:49 PM
GPS guided bombs technology is pretty cool. I'm surprised no one thought about it a long time ago.

Out of what I actually own right now, I'd probably take my SA Milspec .45 or my Beretta Brigadier Inox in 9mm. If I had a S&W Airweight in .38spl, I'd take that as a backup.

My friend is a LT in Army Intel. He's supposed to be heading up an interegation unit over in Iraq. I told him to take his 9mm Sig Pro but I'm not sure if he did.

Quartus
March 18, 2003, 02:37 PM
GPS guided bombs technology is pretty cool. I'm surprised no one thought about it a long time ago.


Well, seeing as the first satellite was launched in 1978, and the GPS system has only officially been considered fully operational since 1995, I'm not sure what "a long time ago" could have been.



cordex, that's cheating! And where's the fun in that, anyway?


LEFT TWO FIVE, FIRE FOR EFFECT!


Now, THAT'S FUN!


:D

Bravo11
March 18, 2003, 05:21 PM
Roger that Quartus. Armor made it nice to pack extra 'gear' also.
Duffles full of groceries and clothing made for being outside.
Not to mention wiring in the car stereo into the vehicle commo system.

Bonker
March 18, 2003, 05:34 PM
I'd take a shovel so I could dig myself into the deepest hole possible and hide until the shooting was over. Let the guys in the airplanes and the tanks do the real work :)

Like Patton said, the object is not to die for your country but to make the other poor son-of-a-bitch die for his.

Quartus
March 18, 2003, 05:45 PM
Not to mention wiring in the car stereo into the vehicle commo system.



Hmmm. Never thought of that. If I'd known then what I know now....

I'd have been dangerous! :D

Stevie-Ray
March 18, 2003, 05:45 PM
My custom Mark IV, and a dozen Pachmayer magazines. Chage the recoil spring to an 18 pounder for the Hydra-Shoks.

Can I take my SAR-48 also?

Double Naught Spy
March 18, 2003, 05:47 PM
You would have to be an idiot if you did not take a gun and caliber already supported by the military, such as your own Beretta 92. Otherwise, no parts if it breaks and if you choose any other caliber, no ammo for you.

Just where the heck are you going to find .45 acp ammo in Iraq or Kuwait? How about in Afghanistan?

Fortunately, the military helps reduce the potential idiocy and has since sometime after the Civil War when they came to realize how ineffective having troops with several different calibers on the battlefield truly was as they rarely were able to assure that each could have enough ammo for his own particular weapon and caliber.

Stevie-Ray
March 18, 2003, 05:54 PM
Since the question is fantasy, (Uh......the feds don't really let you take you own weapons) the fact that they would supply you with whatever ammo you want is also fantasy, and doesn't beg the literal explosion of intellectualism you've posted. Don't take the question or the answers so seriously.

CWL
March 18, 2003, 06:28 PM
I'd stay with the issue rifle. No need for a handgun in a real war (I found that out once).

If I was staying around Baghdad for a while and could guarantee supplies, I'd have a Remmy 870 shotgun.

blades67
March 18, 2003, 06:39 PM
If you went to war, what would you take?

M2 Bradley IFV.

Jack19
March 18, 2003, 06:49 PM
I've always found a Browning HP acceptable.

Lone_Gunman
March 18, 2003, 09:06 PM
Double Naught Spy, I agree with you that logistics might be a problem.

But if you are in such a bad situation that you are using a handgun in the first place, just how much shooting do you think you are gonna get to do with it before somebody pops you in the noggin with and AK 47?

This question was intended for entertainment purposes only...

John G
March 18, 2003, 09:35 PM
BHP 9mm. Of course, I'd jazz it up a bit with two-tone finish, ambi safety, and some beautiful wood grips. Ya gotta have some style :cool:

280PLUS
March 18, 2003, 09:45 PM
yup, my BHP in the 9mm flavor...

;)

556A2
March 18, 2003, 09:47 PM
The M9, first since I love the Beretta feel and design. And the big reason over a CZ or a HP, the availibilty of parts and magazines.

coonan357
March 18, 2003, 09:53 PM
doublenaught :

Just where the heck are you going to find .45 acp ammo in Iraq or Kuwait? How about in Afghanistan?


at the iraqi equivalent of wallyworld --> Ahbduimart!!!!


:D :D

ahadams
March 18, 2003, 10:15 PM
okay first off there *are* still folks carrying .45s out there, just not so many so need to find out where their FARPs are and know what to say to keep their security from shooting you and questioning surviving family members later. Given the opportunity I would try for all of the above.

Given no such opportunity I'd see if I could swap that 9mm for an M203 (if that's what they're still calling them these days) and a bunch of grenades. This may sound silly (scratch that, this probably does sound silly but) I never got to fire a 203 as an EM or NCO, not until I went through ROTC and found out that not only was I fairly good with it, but shooting it is a blast! :D I'd much rather have that, whatever rank I went back as, than a useless 9mm... (yes I'm a .45 bigot - does it show all that much?:rolleyes: )

cool45auto
March 18, 2003, 10:21 PM
I guess it would have to be my Vertec. Like the others pointed out 9mm should be plentiful.

GMR
March 19, 2003, 12:05 AM
Someone posted on here that they would want to use hydra-shocks in combat?? Hmmmm seems to me that a full metal jacket would offer better penetraion and that is what I would want since the bad guys may have some type of armor on like we do!! I do agree that parts and ammo is gonna be a big issue so I would stick with something that was issued but I would probably buy a brand new one and break it in prior to going.

Kahr carrier
March 19, 2003, 12:42 AM
G21 or Springfield Operator Trp.:)

kannonfyre
March 19, 2003, 03:13 AM
I come from an Asian country where guns are prohibited and standard issue sucks so If we had to go to war with one of our aggressive muslim neighbours (ever present possiblity), I'd have no choice but to use my standard issue S&W M67 4" barrel revolver. (Senior NCOs like me get 6-shooters, officers get SIG P226s)

Having said that, I would pack my own body armor, kevlar helmet (m only issued a steel pot), US air force survival knife, MREs (we still get c-rats :barf: ), steiner binoculars and maglight among other things.

Would also try to smuggle some black market bought Winchester .38 cal +P 130gr SXT rounds into camp though. :D

Tommy Gunn
March 19, 2003, 04:32 AM
I would take a 1911 .45 caliber pistol

Jim March
March 19, 2003, 07:28 AM
22Magnum NAA minirevolver to surprise any idiot what thought he had me captured. Don't need much ammo, it's for exactly what you use it for in the US against muggers: close range surPRISE!

:)

Given that I'm a grunt and not issued a handgun, something small and concealable (but reliable) in 9mm is a must. Ruger SP101 in 9mm is rare, but exist. Ditto Security Six 2.5" barrel 9mm sixguns. Both need moonclips - bring lots.

Rifle? Easy. Cooper's Scout Rifle in 308. 10rd mags in a fast-action boltgun, not that big, but accurate. Screw spray'n'pray.

Alternative: any of the heavy-barrel target AR15 semis that run circles around a mil-spec piece for accuracy. Many are MOA capable even in 223...I'd prefer a 308 variant. If I could pack my own ammo, the freakiest AR variant of 'em all has lots of "pure psycho appeal":

http://www.gunblast.com/images/50Beowulf/Mvc-014f-sm.jpg

Looks perfectly normal, unless somebody noticed the end of the barrel :p.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/50Beowulf/Mvc-005f-sm.jpg

Left: 223 Right: "50Beowulf"

http://www.gunblast.com/images/50Beowulf/Mvc-012f-sm.jpg

"Exit wound" in a 10" wood post :eek:. Gotcher PENETRATION right hea!

The rest of the info on this bad boy is at: http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm

Quartus
March 19, 2003, 12:06 PM
US air force survival knife,


Don't do that to yourself. Those things are junk. Get a real knife.

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