[shotgunner]

Can this Taurus also shoot the other cartridges that the Medusa Model 47 can??
It says at Taurus .38/.357 and 9mm, but the Medusa can do like, .380 acp, other types of 9mm's, .38 +p, and +p+, I wonder if this can handle 9mm +p+ also?

At their site it says 9mm, .38/.357, but I'm assuming that it can handle the same cartridges that the Medusa can also....
Could someone tell me, or do we have to wait until the 4th quarter of this year to find out??
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=TRIAD-627SS&category=Revolver


Thanks!

[Jim Watson]

Well, for the official position, you will have to wait until they get some guns and press releases out.

But a little logic tells me:
If it is chambered and rated .357 magnum, it will handle any .38 Special with no problem.
9mm +p or +p+ will not likely damage the gun but the trick rimless extractor would be the limiting factor; a hotload might expand the brass tighter than it would pull.
.380 casehead and rim diameter is considerably smaller than 9mm P and the trick extractor might or might not engage it. Brass would bulge but probably not split. I can't see any reason to try unless you expected to be in a third world spy ring and could get only WW II surplus Italian 9mm Corto ammo in the bazaar.

Other 9mms?
Not Makarov, that is really a 9.2 mm at .364" instead of .355-.357".
I would be leery of 9x23 Win, that is a truly hot load, although there have been some S&W conversions to it.
9mm Largo, 9x21 Italian, probably.
.38 S&W, maybe.

As the gunsmith told me, patience is a virtue. But he never did get around to working on my gun, and Taurus might have this one on the market eventually. And then you can buy one and tell us whether the magazine writers are honest.

[Old Fuff]

The Taurus Triad will have modified .357 Magnum chambers and a cylinder that can take 9mm moon-clips. In theory you could shoot any .38/9mm pistol cartridge that would fit in the clips and chamber, but I'm pretty sure that Taurus wouldn't recommend it and neither would I. Screwing around could lead to bulged or ruptured cases. Obviously you can shoot any .38 Special cartridge in a .357 Magnum. Adding 9mm Parabellum may cause the revolver cases to bulge slightly, but apparently not enough to cause problems. It should be remembered that while the revolver rounds have straight cases the 9mm is tapered and larger at the head then the others. (.391" vs. .379").

While I suspect that these revolvers are going to be very popular with some, at least in the short term, the Old Fuff will stick to shooting revolver cartridges is revolvers, and pistol cartridges in pistols - unless the revolver is specifically chambered to shoot one particular pistol round. I would strongly advise anyone that wants to do differently carefully review the dimensions of any cartridges he or she propose to use in the same handgun.

[Jim Watson]

I agree with OF, this is a silly gimmick for 99% of applications.
I did not know it was a clipgun, but that saves them the trouble of designing and making a rimless extractor.

There were a few S&W 686s converted to 9x23 Win with clips. The 'smith said you could still shoot .38 special or .357 magnum ammo but that the brass would be bulged beyond safe reloading.

[seeker_two]

I'd imagine that Taurus will require moon clips for the rimless rounds....

Question: Can't you already fire .38 Super rounds through a .357 Magnum revolver w/o any problems (other than the .355" Super bullets in a .357" barrel)?.... :scrutiny:

[shotgunner]

What are moon clips??

[Old Fuff]

Normally hand-ejector revolvers (those where the cylinder swings out to the left side for loading or unloading) require a rimmed cartridge for the extractor to grab hold of. Most pistol cartridges don't have the kind of a rim that will work. So during the First World War a clip was developed that would hold three .45 ACP rounds (called a "half-moon clip" because of its shape) and the revolver's extractor would push on the clip rather then the cartridges' rims. A revolver would be fully loaded with two such clips of ammunition. More recently clips that will hold six rounds have come on the market, and again because of their full-rounded shape they are called "full-moon" clips.

[TimboKhan]

I have to tell you, I have never heard that you can shoot .38 super loads through a .357. It makes sense that you could, and I suppose most revolvers could handle them, but I have never actually heard of anyone doing it. Curious to see if that is true.

Timbo

[BluesBear]

I was led to believe by someone at Taurus that the Triad would NOT require moon clips for .38 Super or 9mm?

Of courseTaurus is still trying to say you can safely and accurately shoot .44-40 out of a .45 Colt chamber. :uhoh:

[only1asterisk]

I would suspect that 357 cases would swell up at the base enough that they could not be reloaded and chambered in other revolvers using standard dies. Even if you have dies that would size the base back down, it would work the crap out of the brass.

David

[Old Fuff]

Blues Bear:

The Taurus "Memorandum" on 2005 products says this:

"The Taurus Triad shoots 9mm, .38 Special and .357 Magnum out of the same gun. Use the five stellar clips included for the 9mm and just load up with the other when you want to and it shoots them all."

The prototype I handled at the SHOT Show was obviously cut to use clips, and had a standard extractor.

But for all I know they may have changed their minds later concerning the moonclips. We will have to wait and see.

[Vern Humphrey]

Why? :confused:

[Old Fuff]

To sell product of course ...

I don't have any interest in this concept, but I'll bet others buy them like hotcakes ... :evil: ;)

[seeker_two]

I like the idea of a multi-ammo revolver. Adds to the versatility...

I'll be interested in seeing how accurate it shoots & whether it'll have a .355" barrel or a .357" barrel.... :scrutiny:

[BluesBear]

I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they find out you'll need moon clips for 9mm and .38 Super.
But then a lot will be happy to learn that you can then shoot .380 and such.

I know I for one just won't trust that tiny ledge on only one side of the rim to properly headspace the .38 & .357. Especially in an oversized chamber.


Another thing I don't understandwith this...
After WWII, many of the .38/200 (.38S&W) revolvers were imported and reamed out for .38 Special. Nowadays, many people denounce them as unsafe due to the larger base of the .38 S&W chamber causing .38 Special cases to bulge.
Well friends and neighbors, the 9mm has an even larger base diameter than the .38 S&W!

So what's going to happen when you fire heavy factory .357 loads in that chamber? Aren't they going to bulge?
Is it somehow magically OK to do so now since it was designed that way?


Several years ago I participated in some demonstrations of the Philips & Rogers Medusa revolvers. Back then I was worried about the way fired .357 mag brass looked after being fired in them.
But at least the P&R extractor ensured proper headspace.



Cartridge base diameters for comparison;

.38/.357 = .379"
.38 Super = .383"
.38 S&W = .386"
9mm Luger = .392"
*9mm Makarov=.389"*

*YIKES! it looks like the 9x18 just might fit in the chamber! What's going to happen if someone tries that? A .363"/.364" bullet in a .357" bore is just begging to get stuck. And then firing a second round could be considered somewhat dangerous. What if Taurus makes it tighter? Along the lines of the .355"/.356" bore used in Colt Pythons.


Prsonally I'm gonna sit back and watch what happens when (if) these revolvers hit the market.
I think I'll just watch from the bleachers while someone else does the testing.
Right now I still have some fingers that don't work right. But at least they're still there.

[Vern Humphrey]

I'll be interested in seeing how accurate it shoots & whether it'll have a .355" barrel or a .357" barrel....

That's the whole problem -- how can you get the same barrel to shoot .355 AND .357 bullets accurately? How can you get a chamber sized to take a 9mm to not bulge .357 brass?

I think I'll stick with my Colt M357 and my Colt SAA in .357 and a couple of big buckets of .38 Special and .357 brass -- that'll give me all the versatility I need.

[Old Fuff]

Ruger gets acceptable (?) accuracy out of the Single-Six series of revolvers in .22 RF/.22 WRM and the .357/.9mm combo Blackhawks. The answer for different chambers is to switch cylinders. The bore is oversized for the 9mm bullets so accuracy isn't optimal - but buyers don't seem to care.

The Taurus Triad will appeal to buyers that think that shooting all the different cartridges is "cool." More demanding customers will buy something else.

Both ways, Taurus will make money. ;)

[Vern Humphrey]

Ruger gets acceptable (?) accuracy out of the Single-Six series of revolvers in .22 RF/.22 WRM and the .357/.9mm combo Blackhawks. The answer for different chambers is to switch cylinders. The bore is oversized for the 9mm bullets so accuracy isn't optimal - but buyers don't seem to care.

The Taurus Triad will appeal to buyers that think that shooting all the different cartridges is "cool." More demanding customers will buy something else.

Both ways, Taurus will make money.


"A fool and my money are soon parted." ;)

--- Uncle Herbivore

[Old Fuff]

>> "A fool and my money are soon parted." <<

You and I might think so, but the marketplace is filled with handguns that I think are of questionable practicability, but are commercially successful.

I was talking to a friend at Ruger, and said concerning their new Alaskan revolver, "Just who do you think will carry a big-bore snubbie for bear protection?" "Very few," he answered, "but we have orders flooding in from places where they don't have any bears ... " :scrutiny:

[Vern Humphrey]

>> "A fool and my money are soon parted." <<

You and I might think so, but the marketplace is filled with handguns that I think are of questionable practicability, but are commercially successful.



You've proved my point for me.

[Old Fuff]

I thought I might, at least from our perspective. Others might disagree ... :evil:

[BluesBear]

"A fool and my money are soon parted." I always just considered it an accident that fools had money to begin with.

I once heard someone wish they had as much money as they had brains. Sounded good at first but I figure the day I make that wish is the day my head will explode.

To stay on topic... Every Python I have slugged was .355" to .356".
I've seen a couple of Ruger single six revolvers with .222"/.223" bores that could hang in there with a Woodsman Match target.
Accuracy with a Ruger 9mm Blackhawk cylinder seems to be more of a cylinder problem than a bore problem. Loading oversized 9mm bullets seldom changes acuracy in them. I suspect it's that jump from case to forcing cone that matters more.

So I really don't worry too much about .002" in regard to .22 rimfire or .357/9mm bore diameters.

I do however worry about .010"+ difference in chamber diameters!


And yes I am the guy to did the experiments with firing .41 Magnum ammo in a .44 Magnum revolver to judge the suitability of using it in an emergency.
But I sure didn't do it with range brass or try to reload the fired cases.

[Vern Humphrey]

I always just considered it an accident that fools had money to begin with.


Fools were created by God to hold our money temporarily and help us avoid bank charges. :p

[rudolf]

Ruger gets acceptable (?) accuracy out of the Single-Six series of revolvers in .22 RF/.22 WRM and the .357/.9mm combo Blackhawks. The answer for different chambers is to switch cylinders. The bore is oversized for the 9mm bullets so accuracy isn't optimal - but buyers don't seem to care.


Now this got me get my .357/9mm Blackhawk out and have a look.
A 9mm round will only go halfway into the .357 cylinder. Thats the same for Geco, Fiocchi, S&B and Lapua. A .357 is REALLY loose in the 9mm cylinder. Lots of resizing needed or maybe a split case.
This makes me wonder about those 'multicaliber' cylinders.
OTOH, I'd buy one for my blackhawk from Medusa if it was easy (I'm not in the US, so it ain't).
As to accuracy, I'll stay inside of the black of a UIT Pistol Target at 25 meters/yards with factory 9mm ammo so there's really no practical concern about shooting 9mm from the blackhawk. The.357 is more accurate, with 1.5 to 2 " groups.
So what's the sense in this? Well, I paid like $45 for the extra 9mm cylinder. It's already worth the gimmick, IMHO. I also reload 9mm. Ask what Lapua CEPP costs if you wanna know why. If you shoot a 9mm from a revolver, and then pull the brass out with your fingernails, you will feel any sticking. This is a much better warning about pressure problems than you will get from any semiauto. If a 9mm remains stuck in a 9mm semiauto, you've really goofed it!

[happy old sailor]

yep, optimal question is "WHY". then it was pointed out that money was the big factor. sell more guns, make more money - figures. i can just see me at the range with that thing and several different boxes of ammo trying to figure out what goes where and how to configure it.

if i win one as a door prize i will be pleased, but it would likely remain NIB and unfired until i come across someone enamored with the idea. then it will be show and tell time.

in the meantime i will stick with my caliber specifics, leaving this sort of gun to collectors and range cowboys

[boot_hill54]

if your looking to shoot 9mm with a revolver.. Ruger has the Blackhawk, .357Magn/9mm convertible cylinder. 6 1/2-inch barrel. I have one..i know! boot_hill54