Mossberg Replacement Barrels


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mattw
June 10, 2005, 01:07 PM
I have one shotgun and being a recent high school graduate and Wal-Mart employee money is tight so i will keep it and just buy more barrels for whatever i want to do.
I decided it would be fun to buy an 18 inch barrel for my 870 Express Magnum 12 guage. You know, for blasting and possibility of using it for home defense. I ordered it from an auction website but it was NIB mossberg. My question is have any of you ever looked at, used, or formed an opinion on Mossberg replacement barrels for Remington shotguns?

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Onmilo
June 10, 2005, 02:09 PM
Just as good as factory original but I don't believe they come in matte black, just standard blue.

Fred Fuller
June 10, 2005, 02:15 PM
Yes. I have seen a number of them in use and have one 870 Express with a short Mossberg barrel on board. I see no real problem with fit or function for the most part, it is a dead simple cyl bore bead sight barrel. I did see one go back to Mossberg when the barrel ring (that goes around the magazine tube) separated.

The Mossy barrel on my 870 is phosphate finished, dunno if it came that way new or not as I got the barrel used.

lpl/nc

mattw
June 10, 2005, 11:32 PM
Well i got it in the mail the other day and it is fine except for the bore was not polished. I cleaned with Hoppe's and then Nitro Solvent and it still looked like crap. I am sending it back to Mossberg and we'll see what happens from there.

Fumbler
June 11, 2005, 03:31 AM
Don't bother sending it back to Mossberg unless it's for a refund.

Their barrels have poor internal finishes.
Having said that, the rough finish doesn't really affect the performance...it's just a pain in the butt to clean the lead out after shooting slugs.

mattw
June 11, 2005, 06:58 AM
That sucks! I was expecting a bore that was bright and smooth and shiney like my remington barrel. I think i'll send it back to them and see what they say, if nothing else I can let them know that they make an ugly barrel.

I think it might really be a mistake by them though, the bore looks like total crap. After I cleaned it with 3 different kinds of bore cleaner and ran about 50 patches through it, it still looked like it had 500 rounds through it without a cleaning!

I think if I am still not satisfied with the barrel that I get back from them i will get my $100 back and check out some other options. Does anyone know about Hastings barrels?

RoyG
June 11, 2005, 09:59 AM
You know by the time you get done paying for the barrel + shipping it to you and now shipping it back to Mossbreg you could of bought a used or with your WM discount a new Mossberg/Maverick shotgun.

mattw
June 11, 2005, 10:22 AM
if this barrel is any indication of their quality i will not be buying a mossberg any time soon.

Anyone know about Hastings Barrels?

Fred Fuller
June 11, 2005, 10:56 AM
mattw,

Go for the real thing...

Remington Parts Dept
M-F 0900-1700, Eastern (Madison, NC)
1-800-243-9700

12 ga 3" 870 18" bead sight fixed IC choke parkerized finish -- $96.40
Ditto------------------------------------ blued plain barrel- $112.00
Ditto---------20"------------------------ Ditto------------- $112.00

That's 2005 price list prices for new OEM barrels, if you haven't checked around the pawn shops and gun stores in your area for good used barrels you're likely missing a bet. Meanwhile don't overlook eBay.

But leave the non-OEM stuff alone for now...

Stay safe,

lpl/nc

mattw
June 11, 2005, 11:22 AM
can you shoot slugs out of an IC barrel? part of the reason i wanted cylinder bore was to be able to shoot slugs.

Fred Fuller
June 11, 2005, 11:41 AM
No worries about that at all. In fact an IC barrel is likely to group Foster- type slugs better than a CYL barrel. No need to waste $$$ on sabot slugs in smoothbores.

Remington is putting IC chokes in almost all their short barrels now (MOD in some on speial order), I really like 'em a lot. Saves having to have choke tubes installed, does enough better than CYL on buckshot patterns to be worth while.

If you call the parts dept be sure to tell 'em you have an Express gun, if you really really want a CYL barrel for it the 870HD model still uses an 18.5" CYL barrel IIRC and they may have that in stock as a spare barrel, don't recall seeing it on the parts list tho.

lpl/nc

mattw
June 11, 2005, 12:32 PM
sorry for the dumb question, what are Foster-type slugs?

Dave McCracken
June 11, 2005, 12:44 PM
Forster, not Foster, style slugs were introduced in the 1920s to replace the old "Punkin Ball" round ball loads. Usually, these are what we know as rifled slugs though the "rifling" is there to swage down in the bore so these can be fired through chokes. The old Round Balls were good at opening muzzles up so they resembled blunderbusses.

Forsters work best in smooth bores or with rifled choke tubes for the most part.

I use Forsters, so do many of the regulars here. Read the thread, Slugs 101 for more info.

Fumbler
June 12, 2005, 01:31 AM
Dave, I'm not challenging your spelling, but do you have a reference for the forster/foster name?
I've tried looking up the correct spelling and finding out the man it was named after, but I've had no luck.

Dave McCracken
June 12, 2005, 03:58 AM
Can't come up with a reference at the moment. Forster was an innovator. There's still things like brass trimmers he invented on the market. I believe he died in the 40s.

Fred Fuller
June 12, 2005, 10:49 AM
Dave and all,

Don't want to be argumentative, just that I've always heard 'Foster'-

lpl/nc
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The straight scoop on shotgun slugs
American Rifleman, Aug 1998
by Michael E Bussard

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"American ammunition manufacturers loaded round balls exclusively until 1936. In 1932-33, independent experimenter Karl Foster sent sample hollow-base. round-nose, rifled shotgun slugs to Remington and Winchester for testing. In 1936, Winchester accepted a modified Foster design for production. Remington then followed suit. Like the Brenneke, Foster slugs were stabilized by placing the center of gravity in front of the center of pressure. Unlike the Brenneke, the wad column of Foster slugs was not attached and fell away after exiting the muzzle. The Foster was rifled and rotated slowly in flight; however, the speed of rotation was insufficient for stabilization. To minimize choke damage, Foster slug diameter was about .695", while 12-ga. bore diameter was .729". Foster slugs were made in the same approximate weights as round balls: I oz in 12ga., 7/8 oz. in 16-ga., 5/8 oz. in 20-ga. and 1/5 oz. in .410 bore, and these weights are still used today. " ==snip

- http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3623/is_199808/ai_n8815670
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New book deals with shotgunning
By Don Lewis
Outdoors Columnist
Friday, October 22, 2004
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/newssummary/s_264725.html

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The shotgun slug type I used evolved from the old round lead ball affectionately called a “punkin” ball. It was a round ball of lead made small enough to easily pass through the choke constriction of a full choke barrel. Consequently, the punkin ball was not exactly a tack driver, but a lot of deer hunters used the round ball with a good bit of success.

I won’t get into the history of the shotgun slug, but a man by the name of Karl Foster designed a slug with vanes on it. This took place in the early 1930s. The angled vanes were supposed to make the slug spin. I have serious doubts the vanes caused the slug to spin and certainly not fast enough to stabilize the projectile. However, from the limited testing I have done with shotgun slugs, they are more accurate by far than the round ball. \==snip
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"The modern rifled slug resulted from the experimental work of Karl M. Foster, who desired a more accurate shotgun projectile than the single, solid, spherical ball formerly loaded by all ammunition companies. Foster initiated his experiments in 1932, and by September of that year had arrived at what is now known as the rifled slug. He made no attempt to patent his invention. This permitted Winchester to begin marketing the Foster slug in 1936, with other ammunition companies quickly folllowing suit."

-transcribed from _The World's Fighting Shotguns_, by Thomas F. Swearengen. Alexandria, VA: T.B.N. Enterprises, 1978. p. 477
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Slugging percentage
Sports Afield, Jun 2002
by Terry Wieland

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"In the 1930s, a shotgunner named Karl M. Foster developed the slug that now bears his name. Cup shaped, with a hollow skirt that would expand to fit the bore, the Foster remained one of the two dominant slug designs for half a century. Winchester began loading them in 1936 and still does. The other design was the European Brenneke, which employed a lead cylinder with a fiber wad attached to the base. Both the Foster and the Brenneke have lead vanes which impart a slight spin for stability, but do little to enhance accuracy." =snip

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3775/is_200206/ai_n9109378

bbrown609
June 12, 2005, 01:42 PM
Cabelas sells replacement barrels for 870's also. I don't like to order from them unless I have to, but being from a small town, I have little options. Closest gun store, other than the local pawn shop, is 40 minutes away. I got a replacement barrel for my 20 gauge 1100 from them and it was fine.

mattw
June 12, 2005, 11:36 PM
Thanks for the info guys, it helped out alot. I am taking the barrel to a trusted gunsmith for a look and to get his opinion on wether i should send it back or if it is just ugly-looking and will not rust out or something like that. From there i'll either try to get my money back or keep it depending on what he says.

Just to be sure, (slugs) + (improved cylinder choke) = yes. Correct?

Fumbler
June 13, 2005, 01:29 AM
Just to be sure, (slugs) + (improved cylinder choke) = yes. Correct?
Correct.

I shoot slugs out of a modified choke tube just because it shoots just as good as my imp cyl tube and I group buckshot out of the mod better.

Dave McCracken
June 13, 2005, 04:12 AM
Try Forsterproducts.com.......

Fumbler
June 13, 2005, 01:15 PM
I know Forster made reloading equipment (I have their case chamfering tool), but I didn't think it was the same person who invented that slug.

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