a tsunami? Here?


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QuarterBoreGunner
June 15, 2005, 01:06 AM
Cali coast - load up the rafts and check yer ammo; this is nuts a 7.2 off the Northern Coast of California and we have a real live tsunami warning in effect.


holy crap- this is totally not what I planned for.

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R.H. Lee
June 15, 2005, 01:11 AM
You better head for high ground. I'm about 15 miles inland and 200 miles south of you.

No info here about it yet. http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/message.shtml

KriegHund
June 15, 2005, 01:14 AM
Oh crap...

Good luck man! Stay safe!

*Edit*
Says its all clear, thing is canceled.

http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/message.txt

ddc
June 15, 2005, 01:14 AM
The TV reports I'm seeing indicate no need to worry.
(But, hey, it's TV, so....)

stevelyn
June 15, 2005, 01:16 AM
WCATWC just called off all warnings and watches. Just received confirmation from NWS/NOAA at Cold Bay.

torpid
June 15, 2005, 01:16 AM
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/wmsg

Zundfolge
June 15, 2005, 01:17 AM
While I doubt things would be as bad as the Christmas Tsunami, I hope you guys out there on the left coast are taking precautions :eek:



Although I hate to admit it ... the first thing I thought about when I heard about the warning was Ænema by Tool :uhoh:


Edit: Instaposted by torpid

torpid
June 15, 2005, 01:19 AM
holy crap- this is totally not what I planned for.

So, now that it's passed, are you going to plan for this in the future? :)


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R.H. Lee
June 15, 2005, 01:21 AM
heh. That was fun. Wonder what's next.

CleverName
June 15, 2005, 01:24 AM
It's almost fire season. Ah, the four season of California - drought, fire, flood, mudslide.

torpid
June 15, 2005, 01:33 AM
Heh, I remember Florida- fire, flood, frost, lightning, tornado/waterspout, hurricane...

.

CleverName
June 15, 2005, 01:39 AM
At least in Nor Cal the drivers realise that you should slow down about 10 mph when it's raining, and the roads aren't hermetically sealed. In So Cal, it seems that at the first hint of rain everybody drives at 10 mph... until the second week of rain, at which point it's acceptable to drive at your normal dry speed.

QuarterBoreGunner
June 15, 2005, 01:43 AM
can't talk.. out of breath from blowing up inflatable spongebob squarepants...

seriously though that was a weird 30 minutes of confused newscasts; and yeah, I never planned for a tsunami. Earthquake, riots, major blackouts- these are what the prepared California citizen plans for.

I guess I'll have to add tsunami to the list.

Anyone know where I can pick up a zodiac real cheap?

Bostonterrier97
June 15, 2005, 02:08 AM
I was in Crescent City, CA when a Tsunami hit us back in 1964 (from the Alaskan Earthquake)

Lennyjoe
June 15, 2005, 02:44 AM
Man, almost had oceanfront property. ;) :D :what:

Glad to hear all is well in Cali. Nothing like a Tsunami warning to get the blood going.

Cosmoline
June 15, 2005, 03:00 AM
Here's the latest from http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/
up in Palmer

WEPA41 PAAQ 150409
TSUWCA

TO - TSUNAMI WARNING SYSTEM PARTICIPANTS IN
ALASKA/BRITISH COLUMBIA/WASHINGTON/OREGON/CALIFORNIA
FROM - WEST COAST AND ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
SUBJECT - TSUNAMI WARNING BULLETIN - FINAL (CORRECTED COPY)
BULLETIN NUMBER 2
ISSUED 06/15/2005 AT 0409 UTC

...THE TSUNAMI WARNING AND WATCH STATUS IS CANCELED FOR
CALIFORNIA - OREGON - WASHINGTON - BRITISH COLUMBIA - AND
ALASKA...

EARTHQUAKE DATA
PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE - 7.4
LOCATION - 41.4N 125.6W - 85 MILES NW OF EUREKA-CA.
300 MILES NW OF SAN FRANCISCO-CA.
TIME - 1851 ADT 06/14/2005
1951 PDT 06/14/2005
0251 UTC 06/15/2005


WATER LEVELS REMAIN NORMAL AT ALL COASTAL SITES.
NO WAVE HAS BEEN DETECTED.

EVALUATION
NO TSUNAMI DANGER EXISTS FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA -
WASHINGTON - OREGON OR CALIFORNIA. HOWEVER SOME AREAS MAY
EXPERIENCE SMALL SEA LEVEL CHANGES. AS LOCAL CONDITIONS
CAN CAUSE A WIDE VARIATION IN TSUNAMI WAVE ACTION THE ALL
CLEAR DETERMINATIONS MUST BE MADE BY LOCAL AUTHORITIES.

Cosmoline
June 15, 2005, 03:02 AM
One thing you can do is bookmark the html I posted above. That's the official warning center for the west coast of the US.

Rumpled
June 15, 2005, 05:26 AM
I've seen a few of these warinings before. Always pays to be prudent - just ask Crescent City. But I live south of Point Conception, so a North Pacific big wave will just roll on by.
When I lived in Newport Beach in college, we got one of these and (numbers of beers already under belt) ran out to the sand to watch.
Nothing happened and NOAA later reported it as something like 3". How they decided which wave was the big one noone will ever know.

Just give me a good Southen Hemi long period swell any August day!

Byron Quick
June 15, 2005, 09:48 AM
Ah, the advantages of being 100 miles inland and 320 feet above sea level. You guys take care of yourselves.

bogie
June 15, 2005, 10:13 AM
You know what the really sad thing this?

I probably have at least one neighbor who (1) expects a tidal wave, and (2) is ready and waiting for it.

I live in Missouri.

El Tejon
June 15, 2005, 10:17 AM
bogie, what's your neighbor's handle on THR? :D

Everyone be ready out there. Wear your water wings to the office. :D

Red Tornado
June 15, 2005, 10:23 AM
When the big one hits down here on the New Madrid fault and the Mississippi starts flowing backward, you'll be running over to his house. ;) :D It's not the tsunami's down here, it's the sand blows! :eek:

Skunkabilly
June 15, 2005, 12:18 PM
Dude. Time to kick up the kevlar kayak with carbon fiber paddle on the cool guy gear acquisition schedule.

I repacked my SHTF pack on Saturday after backing up my HDD. I didn't get the alert until after it was scheduled to hit my area though.

I didn't feel Saturday's earthquake either.

Typhoon
June 15, 2005, 01:29 PM
That warning was definitely weird. I was sitting there watching the Angels game when that horrible sound broke in and the TV screen went black... ***ENNHHHH... ENNHHHH...ENNHHHH..." I'm thinking to myself, "What???" Although I did feel the weekend quake, it was so minor that I pretty much dismissed it. So during the long pause between the attention sound and the actual message, my brain was racing trying to figure out what it could be. Flood? Tornado? (Don't laugh, there have been tornado warnings in California before. One actually bought me an extra day to write a term paper in college, as classes were cancelled.) Of course not! No rain in weeks. Terrorist? What could it be?

My first tsunami warning in California (had one in Okinawa once, but I lived on a big hill). I live approximately five miles inland, so I wasn't busting out the life raft just yet. I was however inspired to check the transportable ammo bag and the bug-out-bag in the car. All OK.

Not to be overly ominous, but the recent seismic activity is giving me some concern. With all due respect to CalTech, we really can't be certain if such a thing as foreshocks exist or not. There was an earthquake off the Santa Monica coast days before the 1994 Northridge quake, and Santa Monica took an unusual amount of heavy damage from Northridge. I am due east of Santa Monica, and I sustained only moderate damage. Double pulse? Unknown fault line?

Message to Californians and all - check your emergency kits and get the emergency communications plan and evacuation plan solidified.

Skunkabilly
June 15, 2005, 04:45 PM
Typhoon, where'd you go to high school?

Typhoon
June 15, 2005, 05:51 PM
Okinawa Christian School.

thorn726
June 15, 2005, 05:53 PM
stupid computers. a little quake and they think we got waves coming.

i feel quite safe here at the bottom of the hill- i can be at 800 ft elevation in 1 minute (10 walking)

Skunkabilly
June 16, 2005, 06:29 PM
Ok, did that earthquake 20 minutes ago suck or what?

I am so not impressed.

Vernal45
June 16, 2005, 06:30 PM
Maybe the Tidy Bowl man is getting ready to flush Cali :uhoh:

R.H. Lee
June 16, 2005, 06:32 PM
Skunk- This one? http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/117-34.html

I didn't even feel it up here.

Russ
June 17, 2005, 01:08 AM
That really wasn;t that big of a quake considering where it was (90 miles or so off coast). I have been through quakes that large in CA on land. I think it was probably prudent to issue the warning but unless there is a 9 plus, I don't think a Tsunami will hit the PRK. Actually I wish all the stories were true and the State broke off. Born there, raised there and lived most of my 50 years there.

The San Joaquin Valley used to be a huge inland sea. It would have to be a gigantic quake to cause a devastating Tsunami. Throw in a couple of volcanic eruptions at the same time and you might have a problem. There was a 9+ quake in Alaska in 62 or 64, I forget. I don't recall a Tsunami there and believe me, a 9 is a hugely more powerful quake than a 7.

Hardware
June 17, 2005, 02:40 AM
Of course the MSM is being responsible about it, four little quakes and they are asking; "Is the big one coming soon?" Like anyone has a definitive answer. :rolleyes:

Mark in California
June 17, 2005, 02:41 AM
I was just on shore 90 odd miles from the epi-center and within the tidal zone. While the quake was very noticable, I did not think it was that bad. Local news did not report any warnings until the 11:00 news. However my wife and I kept getting calls from out of state asking if we were still there. (We live two miles from the bay which protects the city of Eureka and about 50 feet above sea level. In 1964 when Crescent City was hit by tidal waves, the tide in the Humboldt Bay was about 6 inches higher than it should have been,

About 10-15 years ago we had 8.0 and two 7.4's within 48 hours and they were a lot worse. (I serously consider jumping thru a window, blinds and all to get out of my house) They about tore Ferndale apart (where I was durring the last earthquake) and damaged a lot of houses in Humboldt County.

odysseus
June 17, 2005, 02:54 AM
Keep in mind not every earthquake = tsunami, obviously. It is what kind of event occured and it is the ones where a plate is jutted up or down where that huge mass of water displacement causes the wave. Many times it is a side crushing force - no water displacement. Safe to say anytime there is one to best head away from the water.

Funny thing. I heard on the news that in San Francisco, people actually went over to the beaches after the tsunami warnings to see it for themselves. Talk about thinning the herd. :scrutiny:

Pilgrim
June 17, 2005, 09:56 AM
Funny thing. I heard on the news that in San Francisco, people actually went over to the beaches after the tsunami warnings to see it for themselves. Talk about thinning the herd.

We can reinforce that behavior by spreading the rumor on talk radio after a tsunami warning that free government cheese is available on the beaches.

Pilgrim

Vernal45
June 17, 2005, 12:07 PM
is this a new quake, or old one:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159857,00.html

Strong Quake Off Calif. Coast

Friday, June 17, 2005

EUREKA, Calif. — A 6.6-magnitude earthquake struck off the coast of Northern California (search), but there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries, authorities said.

The quake late Thursday came just days after a larger temblor in the region generated a tsunami warning that sent residents scrambling.

Thursday's quake, which hit at 11:22 p.m. about 125 miles off the coastal city of Eureka (search), was likely an aftershock to the magnitude-7.2 temblor that hit off the coast of Crescent City late Tuesday, said Stephanie Hanna, spokeswoman for the U.S. Geological Survey. It was originally listed as a 6.4-magnitude temblor, but was upgraded after a seismologist reviewed the data.

Hanna said there was little risk of a tsunami because the quake was below magnitude-7.0.

"Often earthquakes below 7.0 do not generate a tsunami," she said.

A spokesman for the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department said there were no reports of damage or injury.

California has been rocked by four moderate to large earthquakes since Sunday.

A magnitude-5.2 quake shook the Anza area of Riverside County in Southern California on Sunday. A temblor of magnitude 4.9 hit earlier Thursday near Yucaipa in San Bernardino County in Southern California.

Eureka is about 85 miles south of Crescent City and 270 miles northwest of San Francisco.

Skunkabilly
June 17, 2005, 12:41 PM
We haven't had a real earthquake or riots here in the last 12 years!!

Still waiting for the big earthquake that was supposed to hit before last September.

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/temp/2005-06-16%20180414%20SHTF.JPG

R.H. Lee
June 17, 2005, 12:47 PM
Skunk- Can you get all that gear on a surfboard? :p

Skunkabilly
June 17, 2005, 12:53 PM
CHARLIE DON'T SURF!!!!

(Actually I'm Chinese but we all look the same)

A Kevlar kayak with a carbon fiber paddle is on my want list though.

odysseus
June 17, 2005, 01:33 PM
Skunk...

Nice kit. What kind of fuel source do you have for the stove? Right now I have white gas. I am also curious what water filter you decided on.

Also what is the acronym HDD about? I have seen it before.

Skunkabilly
June 17, 2005, 02:33 PM
Skunk...

Nice kit. What kind of fuel source do you have for the stove? Right now I have white gas. I am also curious what water filter you decided on.

Also what is the acronym HDD about? I have seen it before.

Snowpeak whatever fuel...it's not the white stuff, which is, I think, for high altitude and/or low temperature or something. I'm a desert dweller and don't know about the high end stuff. I do like my Pad Thai though :)

The whole kit weighs in at about 20 lbs or so, without water. The water filter is an MSR something. I actually used the MIOX thing, but it's kind of complicated and only used it in urban travel to purify tap water in China. The filter is in the bag and I keep meaning to field test it but keep on forgetting to bring it when I hike. I'm ashamed to say I haven't used it yet, but leave it packed as a backup for my purifier which is in my daypack. I need a dromedary bag to haul more water but I'm thinking about just a secondary Camelbak bladder. That'll give me 6 liters in bladders and 2 in bottles = 2 gallons.

HDD = hard disk drive. I back up my hard drive and toss it in my emergency bag.

odysseus
June 17, 2005, 03:39 PM
HDD = hard disk drive. I back up my hard drive and toss it in my emergency bag

LOL... ok, yeah that one I know - I was not thinking in terms of a travel pack. That all makes sense... although one issue with that is HDD are not so portable and not always easy to hook up to other systems, unless you are talking USB/Firewire. Also if personal info is on it, I hope you are using crypto.

Next on my list list is water purifier filter system.

Hey - can that snowpeak fuel last long enough to cook real noodles Shanghai style? :cool:

oldfart
June 17, 2005, 04:27 PM
This whole thing has been a really good wake-up call. I've worked with the Portland Fire Bureau for awhile (as a volunteer) and, along with a bunch of other people, am part of a disaster response team. An old city, Portland has a lot of unreinforced masonry buildings that will turn to piles of rubble when the big quake finally hits.
And it WILL hit!
Geologists have determined that a major earthquake occurs along the Oregon coast about every 300 years. The last one was in 1700 and generated a tsunami that wiped out thousands of people along the Japanese coast. Local Indian groups living along this coast didn't have much to say about it since they 1) had no written language, and 2) died before they could devise one.
The warning that was broadcast in this case showed some significant problems. Among them were:
The warning sirens in Lincoln City failed completely. Evidently, someone forgot to hook up a wire somewhere.
Those communities that were properly warned had severe traffic jams on all roads leading inland.
The Oregon coast has many small communities situated on low-lying, flat ground with a range of small mountains just behind them. Highway 101 runs along the coast and through these towns, affording people an opportunity to travel between towns. If a Tsunami is on the way though, none of those towns is very safe. Routes directly away from Highway 101 and the beach are usually one-lane dirt roads leading to private homes on high ground or old logging camps.
In the summertime, the population of some of these towns triples with vacationers who have no knowledge of any of this. From time to time a sign can be found that carries a generic warning about tsunami danger, but local businesses are understandably loathe to tell each new customer that they are in a danger zone.
Nonetheless, when the "Big One" comes, we will have our own version of 'Christmas in Indonesia.'
What struck me most was how people reacted to the sirens. In the six months since the Indonesian Tsunami we've had a lot of media attention about preparedness. Yet when the sirens went off 911 operators were deluged with calls from people asking if they should evacuate! From exposure to this and other bulletin boards, I know that 'people' have in many cases become transmuted into 'sheeple.' Still, I have trouble understanding how a living, breathing organism can sit patiently waiting for some higher authority to give it permission to save its own life! Even sponges try to fight off predators!
:banghead:

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