Nothing personal intended, but Illinois sucks!!!!


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hillbilly
June 17, 2005, 01:45 AM
I mean no personal insults to any THR members who might be trapped behind enemy lines in Illinois.

But Illinois sucks. It blows. It's mind-numbingly annoying and unpleasant. I will, from now on, try to spell it "Ill-annoy" in an attempt to capture the state's essential awfulness that soaked into my very pores and that I am still trying to wash out of my hair with frequent shampooings.

How do sane people live there?????????????????????????????

This past week, I had the displeasure of driving through Ill-annoy twice during our trip to see very good friends in Michigan.

From Arkansas to Michigan, my wife and I could carry our Kimber UC II because of our Arkansas and Florida Non-Resident permits, with the People's Republic of Illl-annoy being the sole exception.

On the way up, we went from East St. Louis over to Effingham (an appropriate name for a town in such a state, especially if it were spelled
"F-ing Ham") and then the plan was to go up to Kankakee and slide over to Indiana to catch 421 North.

Only Ill-annoy was so awful, that I opted to ditch the state early on Highway 24 through Watseka and get into Indiana where I could at least take my Kimber UC II back out of the case, reload it, and put it back where I could reach it in the SUV.

During the visit, our friends took us to Chicago for a day-trip, and we had to take the Kimber out of the SUV and lock it up at the friends' house while we ventured to Chinatown, the Industrial and Science Museum, and Giardanno's pizza. I had to supress a gag when a large green sign over the I-90 toll road read that "Mayor Richard M. Daley Welcomes You to Chicago."

It was not my first visit to Chicago, either. Back in 1987, I was there for about a week for the National 4-H O'rama. Within minutes of our arrival in Chicago back in 1987, a 4-H buddy and I had composed a hard-rock mock-anthem for Chicago that had an opening line that went something like "Mud! Crud! And Streets of Blood" with huge air-guitar screams after each "ud."

Upon getting my first good whiff of downtown Chi-town, I felt that our rock-anthem still applied to the Windy City 18 years later.

During my most recent visit, we thought about going up in the Sears Tower, only the sickly-brown haze was so thick that we could barely see the Tower itself and figured it would have been pointless to try to see anything from up there. Same for Lake Michigan--it was mostly obscured by a low, thick brown haze that looked like someone had put cow turds in an atomizer and liberally applied to the city.

After our visit, on the way back to Arkanas, we took I-94 over to Joliet. At the gas station we stopped in, the words "Joliet SUCKS!" were magic-markered onto the wall, and then half-heartedly painted over with one thin coat of paint that served only to highlight the words, as the new coat of paint over the black words was still sort of white, and contrasted sharply with the old-fecal-stain beige that the original paint had aged to.

All I could do, while surveying the odiferous wonder that was the gas station restroom, was look up at the graffiti and nod in agreement about Joliet.

Getting to Joliet from Gary, Indiana, took us two hours because of the obstacle course and maze of disorganized road construction that looked more like a way for the Illinois government to keep raising taxes than any actual productive project culminating in actual identifiable progress of any sort.

Then, it was south on I-55 through the heart of Ill-annoy--Bloomington, Springfield, etc, all the way back to East St. Louis, where once we crossed the Mississippi River, we at least felt like we were back in the United States again.

The entire state of Ill-annoy, from East St. Louis to Champaign-Urbana, from Chicago, to Bloomington, looked like the most depressed areas of Eastern Arkansas. Anyone who had driven through eastern Arkansas knows exactly what Ill-annoy looks like.....flat, with a few trees, with the monotonous flatness cratered here and there with ugly, depressed towns. Only there's a lot more life and charm in Eastern Arkansas.

Combine that charming topography with having to beg the government for a Fireams Owner's Identification Card before you can even buy guns or ammo in the state, and having no CCW, and having anti-gun loons like Daley and the Governor Blow-gag-ovitch, or whatever his name is in positions of supreme power, and I think you have begun bordering on Hell itself.

The only, and I do mean only hopeful sign that I saw in what seemed to be the five weeks we spent driving the length and breadth of Ill-annoy was a set of "Burma Shave" style road signs put up by this group.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/

The one set that I remember said something like "Criminals are many. Cops are few. Crimnals can carry guns. Why can't you? GunsSaveLife.com"

Of course, in Champaign-Urbana, home of the University of Ill-annoy, that group's set of signs were vandalized, as four of the five had been simply ripped out, and only the last sign reading "GunsSaveLife.com" was remaining.

But after my very long tour of the state, I can't understand why anyone would willingly live in Ill-annoy.

I especially can't understand why anyone who likes firearms would live in Ill-annoy.

I would doubt that actual, real "living" would be possible, and that mere existing might be the best outcome possible in such an ugly, disspiriting, screwed-up place.

Again, I mean nothing personal about any THR members who reside in Ill-annoy.

I just hope you all can somehow escape before someone mercifully turns out all the lights in Ill-annoy.

hillbilly

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2nd Amendment
June 17, 2005, 02:11 AM
We were building strip malls over there for a couple years on a contract with Dollar General. It's an...interesting...place in more ways than meet the eye. Getting sewer work done by the municipalities was a matter of lineing palms. Getting permits, same. Keeping the union twits from picketing, same. Getting in and out with a 22' trailer on the back of a dually Ford without a ticket for something, damn near impossible(we took to abandoning the trailer for weeks at a time). Getting back to Indiana each evening was like a breath of fresh air. BTW, we STILL freakin' carried over there. <>

I understand why residents defend the state and I respect that. They live there for Pete sake. But it IS an...interesting...place. :scrutiny:

sctman800
June 17, 2005, 02:48 AM
I am just too stubborn to move so I will keep trying to help things change and hope they do. I release we have some messed up things in this state but I still don't think it is as bad as Massachutes or California. Yes it sucks but it won't get better if everyone leaves. Jim.

SmershAgent
June 17, 2005, 03:16 AM
Almost all of the problems here can be attributed to the gigantic open sewer in the northeast portion of the state. Corruption and oppression literally seep out of it and contaminate everywhere else. I'm moving to KS at the end month. It will be somewhat better insofar as RKBA is concerned, and probably a lot better in other regards.

By the way, those clever signs to which you referred are posted all over the interstates here (especially in central IL). I think there are even 1 or 2 in Iowa. Here are a few others that I remember offhand:

"The villain thought"
"He'd play rough"
"Until the lady"
"Called his bluff"

"Big guns made"
"America free"
"Small guns protect"
"You and me"

"Cabin or castle"
"Or geodisic dome"
"Homeland security"
"Starts at home"

Silent-Snail
June 17, 2005, 03:24 AM
And people wonder why I rarely travel.

Johnnybgood
June 17, 2005, 03:40 AM
the peoples republic of Illinois. It looks like the Feds are taking a long hard look at Dictator Dayley and Blagoiavich. Were all hoping they get to go spend some time in the Graybar hotel, SOOON!. The other thing is the NRA has decided to join in and lobby for more pro-gun bills and start pushing back at the antis and their bills. All in all we didn't do to bad. We still have the fall veto session to get thru this year. I live here because my wifes family lives here and she doesn't want to move. We get anymore like Cali or Wis or DC and I may change my mind.

cracked butt
June 17, 2005, 03:45 AM
We in Wisconsin have several very special names for the hordes of people who come up from Northern Ill-a-noise every weekend to spoil our state, none of them would be approved by Art's Grammaw.

cracked butt
June 17, 2005, 03:51 AM
We get anymore like Cali or Wis or DC and I may change my mind.

Funny, last time I bought a handgun, ammo, or a rifle here in WIS I didn't need a FOID or any other kind of proctological exam to do so. You can add to that, that noone even talks about banning any type of guns in my state, except for a few nutjob politicians from Milwaukee that have zero respect or credibility with the rest of the state.

Unfortunately we have our retarded lawmakers and corruption here too. Milwaukee is like Chicago's toddler brother.

perception
June 17, 2005, 04:22 AM
I got out of Illinois when I turned 3. Don't miss it.

iamkris
June 17, 2005, 05:52 AM
While I won't attempt to defend downtown Chicago or Daley, I find it funny how you draw conclusions about a place. Using a toxic truckstop in poverty-ridden Joliet to judge an entire area is odd...

Like using downtown Newark to judge western New Jersey (one of the more beautiful areas of the Eastern US)

Like using tin shack sharecropper shanty towns to define willow-lined river areas of Alabama

Like using South LA slums to define the rolling hills of Northern California

Like using trailer trash Clinton to **gasp** define the people of Arkansas

People in glass houses...

Matthew748
June 17, 2005, 07:35 AM
Well, I am far from happy about a lot of things in Illinois, but I have other responsibilities. It would be nice to live a life centered around interests and hobbies, but I do not have the funds to do it. Eventually, I will move to the great state of Indiana, but not until forced. You got a taste of what traffic is like on 80/94, can you imagine driving that twice a day to go to and from work?

Ironically, the thing I hate most about Illinois are the restrictions on ammunition shipments. I sure would like to get in on some of those ammo deals you see from Sportsman's Guide, but they do not ship to Cook County.

grimjaw
June 17, 2005, 08:14 AM
Ill-annoy ;)

I'll stay on topic for one paragraph before I start my rant. I have to travel through Illinois in August on my way from Ohio to Washington. I'm not even going to risk it, stowing everything under lock and key twice over to prevent hassles and theft. I won't feel safe and secure until I'm 100 miles west of the Illinois state line. I never wanted to own a gun until I moved to the states around the Great Lakes.

I lived in northeast Arkansas for the first 27 years of my life. I left because, surprise, there's no work. I hear recently that tech companies are relocating their support operations to rural towns in Arkansas because of the low cost of doing business. (First India, now Arkansas; imagine that) Arkansas has had a serious brain drain since before Clinton was governor. He may have helped the education system, but it only made people smart enough to seek out better economic opportunities. Little has been done to develop the state economically. Every time I've sought work there, I have to consider a $10-20K/year pay cut. I've even had employers tell me I was qualified, but that I should keep my current job.

Poor as it is, homeless people don't approach me on the streets of Little Rock begging for change.

I do miss the state, and I still think of it as home. I vacation there often. Parts of it are very beautiful, and the low population density is a big plus for me. My family still farms 650+ acres there. The farm workers over the years have changed from low income whites, to low income blacks, and now lower income Mexican migrants.

When I was much younger, I remember people coming down from Illinois, passing through, and it always seemed like they were the most unpleasant people I could imagine. Maybe the accent just grated on my nerves. I've since learned to try not to generalize so much, but I haven't found anything in my travels that made me want to spend any time in Illinois. I was a Cubs fan while Harry Caray was still alive, but that's the only reason I would want to visit Chicago. I've had enough of windy cities on the lake after Cleveland.

I think of Illinois as I do of most places. "Man, this place must have been really beautiful, before all these <insert resident name here> got here." The north coast of Delaware is lovely, minus all the people that bottleneck the roads on the weekends. New York City was great, because I visited September 20, 2001, and the city seemed deserted. Seattle looks fun, so long as I don't have to face 12 lanes of packed traffic on interstate 5.

High population density = evil.

Arkansas is often made fun of as a backwards and redneck state. Some people treat me as a simpleton once they place my accent. I've lived up and down the east coast, and people from all over make this generalization. The vast majority have spent little to no time there. Most of the people I went to college with are now expatriates, and we seem to agree. The same boneheaded, ignorant, fools we met back home are everywhere else, with every possible kind of accent and background. Stupidity recognizes no borders.

jmm

El Tejon
June 17, 2005, 10:00 AM
The gun culture is certainly on the defensive, hill. However, the USA may be breathing down King Richie's neck with this latest trucking scandal (last week yet another city worker pled in federal court--no doubt a "clean up" statement will be made before sentencing which may name names).

I was in custody in Chicago from '92 to '95 for skul. I travel to Peoria every few months. I have attended gun skul in several Illinois cities. I like Illinois, I hate their government (so, I left). :D

Old Fuff
June 17, 2005, 10:23 AM
Occasionally I have to go east and follow much of the same route that hillbilly did. I agree with everything he said, and hate the place as much or more then he does. I am sure the highway situation around Chicago isn't the absolute worst in the country, but it's as bad as anything I have ever encountered. Those people couldn't construct a decent cowpath if they had to. :fire:

Don Gwinn
June 17, 2005, 12:19 PM
No offense taken. We're working on it. But the biggest problem Illinois has is not its corruption; the biggest problem is that the majority here don't think it can be fixed and don't really care that much anyway as long as they can afford DLP televisions and big four-wheel drive SUVs to drive on the highway.


Make no mistake, the problem with Illinois roads is not incompetence. The problem is that there's no way to build a road in Illinois without someone using substandard materials, stealing materials, billing for countless hours they didn't put in, and otherwise stealing from all of us. Personally, I dislike St. Louis' ring of highways more than trying to get to Chicago, but then I contend with it a lot more often. But once you go past St. Louis into Missouri, you can't help but see that Illinois roads can't be an accident. One very small part of that trucking scandal El Tejon mentions, for example, involves Chicago city workers stealing hundreds of truckloads of asphalt to sell on the black market. That was asphalt that was supposed to be used to fix Chicago streets. THAT is the sort of scandal that will bring Daley down if anything will. You can't pull him down with quaint, abstract notions like freedom and justice, but if the potholes don't get fixed and the garbage doesn't get picked up . . . . he's toast. That's why the Governor gutted the rest of us to pay to bail out the Chicago Transit Authority--even if downstate teachers get to the age of retirement and find that there's no money in the pension plan, the trains must run on time in Chicago!

The only thing I won't apologize for is your problem with flat lands and cornfields. What did you think The Prairie State was going to be, mountains and beaches? :neener:

scout26
June 17, 2005, 05:20 PM
Just a quick word from behind the lines of Freedom and Liberty in Illinois.

7 Pro-gun/Gun owner bills passed both the House and Senate and are waiting for the governor's (unlikely) signature. IIRC, five of seven passed both houses with veto proof majorities.

0 Anti-gun/anti-gun owner bills passed.

The NRA and ISRA have decide to make Illinois a battleground state for Gun rights/2A issues.

Matt748: One of the above bills (SB53) would simplify/make it possible to mail-order ammo. Though possibly still not in C(r)ook County.

Cracked Butt: F-I-B is probably one of your favorites ???? At least that's what the state troopers call us. Don't worry, I stay on my side of the Cheddar Curtain and spend my money here.

Hillbilly, no offense taken. I personally hate climbing hills during deer season. Nice and Flat and feeding the world......

bosshoff
June 17, 2005, 05:45 PM
Hillbilly, next time you are in town I would be happy to take you around. My family has been in Chicagoland for over a hundred years. I agree the BS we have to put up with BloGo, Little King Richard, even the demon seed Hillary came out of the north shore here. However, we do get things done here, laugh at it if you like, but this is the city that works. Every place has those that will not participate, i.e. the generational welfare gang. I refer to these people as being "Takers" who put in nothing, and get nothing out of society. I can tell you many times I have thought of cracking some litterbugs skull for tossing his trash out of his car window. :fire: Illinois people are good hearted. Chicago people for the most part have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, & deceived by the crooked politicians, & unions. Chicago has become a very unfriendly place to do business for both the little guy, as well as the Fortune 500 Company. You are either getting shaken down by Daley and his crew for tax revenue, or by Jesse Jackson for whatever he does. We are lucky to have a US Attorney named Peter Fitzgerald who was put in place by the only honest Senator in the state. Former Senator Peter Fitzgerald (no relation, since replaced by Barack Obama :( ) Hopefully Peter Fitzgerald will put former Govenor Ryan in jail, and Daley's crownies will be next.

Mr. X
June 17, 2005, 07:35 PM
The only thing I won't apologize for is your problem with flat lands and cornfields. What did you think The Prairie State was going to be, mountains and beaches?

The best part of ill-annoy is south of I-70. Carbondale is in a fairly scenic area and has "giant city" park and a large marshland area with a great deal of waterfowl. There are a lot of bluffs along the river from just outside St. Louis down to Carbondale. Rend Lake is nice. Kill and eat a white squirrel in Olney ;). The Cache River is the only cypress swamp north of the Mason-Dixon. Cave-in-Rock is interesting and a historic look at river travel, early migration westward and river piracy and I believe there's another interesting park close by with lots of tall bluffs and rock formations and outcrops that's worth a look down in the Shawnee Nat'l Forest.

SmershAgent
June 17, 2005, 08:01 PM
The NRA and ISRA have decide to make Illinois a battleground state for Gun rights/2A issues.

Exactly - and it's a move that's long overdue. For as long as I cna remember, the ISRA considered it a successful session if no new gun control was passed. Maintaining an abysmal status quo is not the way to win our rights back. As you pointed out, we took the initiative this year and got 7 pro-RKBA bills out of the General Assembly, and this was our first year on the offensive (not to mention Daley, Rod, and the Cook County legislative delegation kicking and screaming the entire session).

With a new governor in 2006, a bit of time, continued support from the NRA/ISRA, and, of course, hard work on the part of every gun owner, we'll turn things around here.

El Tejon
June 17, 2005, 08:28 PM
Better to be the hammer than the nail! :cool:

HankB
June 17, 2005, 08:52 PM
I was born and raised in Chicago . . . some of my oldest and bestest friends still live in the area, and my favorite aunt still owns a home just west of the intersection of 35th and Halsted. (If you've ever read the true story of Elliot Ness and his Untouchables, you'll recognize the area's colorful . . . errr . . . history.)

At the nearby college, Illinois Institute of Technology, a quarter century ago female employees were being instructed in "victimization acceptance" methods, i.e., how much money they needed to carry to satisfy the average mugger's needs and - hopefully - not get beat up for not having enough. (One young lady, after speaking to me and visiting a gun shop I sent her to - I told her to use my name, which got her a discount - chose to carry an illegal firearm instead. :D )

The last time I visited my aunt, six rapid shots were fired nearby at midnight . . . someone shot out the windows of a car parked across the street, as a warning to the owner not to testify in a drug trial.

Since I left, the city is perceptably dirtier and smellier, with an overall air of decay. My old neighborhood is starting to look like Little Mexico, and some of my favorite diners are now run down taco parlors. :(

Someone else mentioned travel on I-55 . . . now, large parts of this highway within the city are built on tall concrete piles . . . if you happened to be near the bases of some of these, you'd see that in many places the concrete had deteriorated to the point that the internal rebar was protruding. :eek:

All the rest of my friends and relatives have moved out of the city proper, and have renamed the city to <colloquial word for excrement>congo, to denote it's odiferous nature and growing resemblance to a pestilential turd world dungheap.

I'm glad to be gone.

GoRon
June 17, 2005, 10:44 PM
Chicago is no differant than any other big city, other than it's much bigger than all but a few.

It has nice areas and some not so nice areas.

my favorite aunt still owns a home just west of the intersection of 35th and Halsted.

The area just east of her has seen a dramatic influx of investment. Her property value will be going up not down. They have torn down a couple blocks worth of buildings right at 35th going north on Halsted. Halsted is being widened and resurfaced right now. Lofts in her neighborhood are going for over 200k.

Traffic around here is horrible. Road construction is year round. As far as I55 and it falling apart, you must not have been in town in the last few years. They tore down almost all of I55 and rebuilt it. No more rebar showing.

My family moved out to the suburbs in '69 when I was 5. I have lived in the Chicagoland area my whole life. If you think the city is a pit now you should have seen it before Daley. That is about the only good thing I can say about Daley.

Don Gwinn
June 18, 2005, 02:40 AM
0 Anti-gun/anti-gun owner bills passed.
Don't get me wrong, it was a good session, especially for Illinois, but did you forget SB57? The bill that establishes a background check requirement at all "gun shows" which are pretty loosely defined, even between individual buyers and sellers?

The bill that took the place of the compromise legislation Senator Roskam created that would have done the same but also required that the records of all background checks and purchases be destroyed within 90 days? We got whupped on that one. The antis were able to take a halfway reasonable bill and force a bad one in its place.


Still, I'm not trying to rain on the parade. It was a good session by Illinois standards and going on offense is going to pay dividends in the long term if we have the sand to stick to it.

Jeff White
June 18, 2005, 05:17 PM
Well if you went through Effingham you were only 35 miles from me, you should have said hi.

I'm sorry you were disappointed in the topography of our state. Perhaps the next Ice Age will push the beautiful hills of Southwestern Wisconsin down a little farther South in front of the glaciers and we can have the state in better shape for you next visit..... :what:

Illinois would be a great state if we could get rid of Cook, McHenry and Dupage counties. The problem is no one wants them....

Most Illinois politicians would be very at home in a third world country. Our system of govenment and that of say Zimbabwe are pretty close together in the way they function. I think this is a throwback to prohibition. Fortunatly there are a few US Attorneys who are currently attempting to clean up the mess in both Chicago and Metro East.

BTW, you never drove the length and bredth of the state if you never ventured South of I70. You missed Carlyle and Rend Lake, the new World Class Shooting Complex near Sparta and an area where both democrats and republicans defend the Second Amendment. In fact, it's the RINOS in the collar counties who are the anti's only hope of pushing there agenda in Illinois.

Jeff

Old Fuff
June 18, 2005, 05:35 PM
Jeff:

You could do folks who live in the rest of the country a big favor if you could get a highway constructed that was well south of Daley's Domain but connected to southern Michigan/northern Indiana.

As it is I would think the natives would rebel. Guns not withstanding, I wouldn't live in such a place, and I can't understand why people do ... :mad: :rolleyes:

lee n. field
June 18, 2005, 06:33 PM
Well if you went through Effingham you were only 35 miles from me, you should have said hi.

I'm sorry you were disappointed in the topography of our state. Perhaps the next Ice Age will push the beautiful hills of Southwestern Wisconsin down a little farther South in front of the glaciers and we can have the state in better shape for you next visit.....

Actually, the glaciers missed the part right to the west of me (the extreme northwest corner of the state). It's very hilly and scenic up that way.

Effingham, on up to Champaign -- now that's flat. Ditto, Bloomington to Rockford up 57 -- mind numbing driving.

Ryder
June 18, 2005, 06:35 PM
You have to admit it can get get exciting. Been through there a few times. Just keep the wheels rolling as much and as fast as possible. It's the only place I ever had the driver of a pimpmobile (or any vehicle for that matter) try yelling to me at 85mph. I actually did let off the trottle for a second to try and figure out what that flapping noise was. Thought my tire was coming apart. Not sure what freaked me out worse... The fact that he'd wanted to compliment my chrome on the interstate or that he actually caught up with me in all that traffic. :D

hws755
June 19, 2005, 02:57 AM
Greetings from behind the lines in the peoples republic of IL. I am a humble servant of the citizens of C(r)ook County. What I can add is that there are, believe it or not, a sizeable fraction of the population that supports the 2nd ammendment, as well as concealed carry. The alleged republican party in IL is apparently unable to develop the testicular capacity to get anyone elected to office. Daley and Bagojeivich (sp?) are at least fighting among themselves, which is good for us. As one of the blessed few that does have the legal ability to defend myself with a gun, (And I have, no less than 3 times in 10 years) I can sympathize. We struggle here, and we do the best we can with the corruption and idiocy that we are stuck with.


When the city was looted during the bulls championships in 91, 92 and 93, I got calls from people who wanted to know if I had any ammo to spare "if things get outa hand"... While I did have some, you can bet I wasnt the only one. When it goes bad in chicago, (and it will!) only the well prepared will be capable of defending their homes and families.

By the same token, as it stands, I agree with those who hate IL. We have an incredible amount of corruption in chicago and cook county in general, along with the Gestapo like Tollway authority. When I can retire, I will be taking the retirement checks to some other more gun friendly state. Until then, we work against the mis-informed.

ravinraven
June 19, 2005, 08:16 AM
" I wouldn't live in such a place, and I can't understand why people do ..."

Maybe it's the mountain scenery.

It's interesting to note in another thread this morning that the Daley Domain has the highest pecentage of police coerced false confessions in the country.

And wasn't it 13 people who were sent home from death row when it was found that various prosecutors withheld information that would have found the various victims of the system not guilty? I think I heard that DNA had nothing to do with these releases; just learning the truth that the DAs withheld did the trick.

And wasn't one prosecutor moved up to the position of assistant State Attorney General and then busted for attempted murder when it was found that he managed to get a false conviction against a man? How did he make out in the end? Up against a wall, I hope.

rr

lysander
June 20, 2005, 01:48 PM
Hillbilly...I gotta admit I share many of your sentiments and as of this summer I've been living here for 20 years! :what: But I will give a hearty +1 to those posters who have really pegged the problems in this state. It isn't the people (generally...some are undesireable but how is that different from anywhere else? :rolleyes: ), it isn't the topography (we have some beautiful places here; NW Illinois and far south specifically) and it isn't the roads.

The problem in Illinois is the evil, entrenched corrupt political machinery in and around the city of Chicago. We have city politicos who lord over and bully Springfield all year long and we see payoffs, bribes, theft, patronage and graft as the SOP all the time.

Illinois will clean up its act when the people are ready to do the cleaning. Some of us are working towards that....many of us are not. (the collar counties are too fat and happy to care)

We live here for the same reason that anyone lives anywhere...because it is home and our wives are here, our children are here, and our parents are here. Would that it was 1830 and I could pack the family up in a Conastoga and find someplace a little more suitable...I would. But it isn't 1830...and so work for change I must. (Sorry....got a little Yoda there... :neener: )

Mr. X
June 20, 2005, 02:41 PM
Would that it was 1830 and I could pack the family up in a Conastoga and find someplace a little more suitable...I would.

Illinois wasn't a problem in 1830, or, for most, even 1930.

lysander
June 20, 2005, 03:37 PM
Mr. X,

Right on both counts. I was just using the pioneer metaphor to try and illustrate that it isn't so easy to just get up and go. People have jobs, mortgages, family, etc. I'd take 1830s or 1930s Illinois any day of the week. :D

Onmilo
June 20, 2005, 04:13 PM
If we, the disgruntled and stalwart opposition to the Chicago way of thinking were to leave this state then what is to stop the stench of Chicago left wing politics from rolling over the rest of the state and then out to areas that border this beautiful but bizzare state?

You shouldn't be whining about the way it is.

You should should be thanking us for preventing the way it could be!

bosshoff
June 20, 2005, 04:17 PM
If it was 1930, I would walk down to the hardware store and order a Thompson!

lysander
June 20, 2005, 04:28 PM
That's what I'm talking about!! In fact...why bother with the trip to the hardware store. Just order it out of the Sears catalog. :p

hillbilly
June 21, 2005, 12:31 AM
I confess a hardwired, provincial disdain for flat-lands.

My THR handle is HILLbilly...........


It must be very difficult to live in such a situation as in Illinois.

I'm just glad I don't have to do it.

Like I said, nothing personal meant towards any good, gun-totin' folks forced to live in such a state.

And I would gladly take up any and all offers of food, beverage, or just plain old visiting from those who offered it on this thread....

Especially if it could take place somewhere else.....say in Arkansas?

I've got a range in the backyard, even.

hillbilly

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