PETA in trouble for animal cruelty


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cobb
June 17, 2005, 10:27 AM
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fletcher
June 17, 2005, 10:59 AM
Surprise, surprise...

CentralTexas
June 17, 2005, 11:26 AM
Watch the video and read the article, at the worst this is illegal dumping.
PETA to avoid animals being killed cruelly by shelters gives them the needle.
Without a billion dollar budget some will have to be killed. Just like when we watch TV video about semi-auto revolvers etc. , unless you work in this environmet you have no idea of whats what. The guy on the video said a pregenant beagle was in there, pregnant or tumor? If pregnant not placable and you will have another litter to place, better not to be born.
The cat and 2 kittens comment, also very hard to place cats. Media spin when the public doesn't understand reality.
PETA not perfect but not working for the anti-christ either....
CT

Hardware
June 17, 2005, 11:32 AM
I'm not surprised. All of the PETA run shelters automatically euthanize pit bulls or any dog suspected of being a mix, it's a kill on sight policy that extends from the top down. Ingrid Newkirk herself has ranted about pit bulls, an opinion I'd dispute gleefully.

I have no sympathy when they go to Park Avenue and throw red paint on little old ladies in fur coats. If they wanted to go down to a Hell's Angels clubhouse and throw red paint on their leather jackets I'd respect them a little more.

People I know from that area say that PETA stands for People Embrassing the Tidewater Area.

cobb
June 17, 2005, 11:35 AM
PETA to avoid animals being killed cruelly by shelters gives them the needle.
Not trying to cause a heated debate, but what is the difference between what PETA is doing and the use of hunting seasons to manage wildlife so that animals don't die a cruel death?

So if PETA does this, it is O.K., but hunters do it, it is murder???????????

Without a billion dollar budget some will have to be killed

Isn't it PETA that says the state should spend the money for birth control of deer? So why doesn't PETA just build more shelters?

CannibalCrowley
June 17, 2005, 11:52 AM
Hey cobb it's not fair to bring up the hyposcrisy of PETA, and don't even think about mentioning their ties to ALF. Coronado is especially off limits, Ingrid said he's a nice guy and she can't be wrong. ;)

DirtyBrad
June 17, 2005, 12:23 PM
This article is about this one incident. I think CentralTexas has hit the nail squarely on the head with his response. The only new news here is that they're dumping the bodies someplace they shouldn't be. Not a great thing to be doing, but not quite "scandal worthy" I don't think.

Kim
June 17, 2005, 12:34 PM
PETA is a cult. Or I should say a front for a cult idea. Animal rights is far more than loving animals and being aganist cruelty. It is a pantheistic movement. Like all cults there will be guliable persons pulled in. Just read the toughts of their greatquasi- religious leaders. Peter Singer etc. :what:

dasmi
June 17, 2005, 12:37 PM
Peta only spends about 3% of it's budget actually helping animals.

Nathaniel Firethorn
June 17, 2005, 12:42 PM
Local officials and veterinarians said they were told that PETA would find homes for the animals, not euthanize them.

[...]

But veterinarian Patrick Proctor said that authorities found a female cat and her two "very adoptable" kittens among the dead animals. He said they were taken from Ahoskie Animal Hospital.

"These were just kittens we were trying to find homes for," he said. "PETA said they would do that, but these cats never made it out of the county."

PETA had taken 50 animals from Proctor's practice over the past two years, he said.

PETA also has taken animals from veterinarian James Brown in Northampton County.

"When they started taking them, they said they would try to find homes for them," Brown said, adding that no one checked on the animals afterward.Hence the cruelty - but was it to the animal, the deceived humans, or both?

PETA euthanizes animals by lethal injection, which it considers more humane than gassing groups of animals, as poor counties are forced to do, O'Brien said.

"PETA has provided euthanasia services to various counties in (North Carolina) to prevent animals from being shot behind a shed or gassed in windowless metal boxes, both practices that were carried out until PETA volunteered to provide a painless death, free of charge," Newkirk said.So just where did they come up with whatever was in their hyperactive little syringes?

- pd

kbheiner7
June 17, 2005, 12:47 PM
The PETA supporters/members I've spoken to know very little about animals. They know that all animals are like people, loveable and peace-loving creatures - Walt Disney told them so. Their passion is misplaced on malformed emotion.

They typically understand animals so well, they do things like break into a mink farm and release all the animals, only to see many of them smushed by traffic on the adjacent interstate. Idiots.

Some will argue that people are naturally vegetarians and get very upset when it is pointed out that they have forward set eyes and canine teeth like other omnivoures. It is appearantly difficult to argue against one's own physiology.

PETA euthanizing animals is very different from hunters killing game. We hunters eat the animals we kill. :neener:

Chipperman
June 17, 2005, 12:59 PM
"These were just kittens we were trying to find homes for," he said. "PETA said they would do that, but these cats never made it out of the county."

That Vet is a moron. Any Vet with half an ounce of sense knows that PETA cares nothing about individual animals. Their long-term goals are abolishing hunting and pet ownership.

I am a Veterinarian, and I cheered when I saw this article on CNN. The criminal charges will probably go nowhere, but anything to give PETA a bloody nose makes me happy.

The description of PETA as a Cult is not far off the mark. Most of money raised by them comes from well-meaning people who want to take care of cute fuzzy animals. If the average person realized their true goals and methods, they would dry up very quickly.

It will be a grand day when PETA and ALF are out of business permanently.

wmenorr67
June 17, 2005, 12:59 PM
Are we all not members of PETA ( People Eating Tasty Animals )? :evil:

Nathaniel Firethorn
June 17, 2005, 01:06 PM
Ya want yer irony?

Here's yer irony! (http://www.peta.org/feat/yadkin/let1.html)

- pd

Sindawe
June 17, 2005, 01:43 PM
Geezzz...what a bunch of hypocrites PETA is. If they stuck to exposing legitimate abuse of animals, even our food animals like the chicken abuse about a year ago, I'd have a bit of respect for them.

perception
June 17, 2005, 02:26 PM
I don't think there was any cruelty there, just a bad decision in where to dump the animals. I for one am not sad to see them get bad media, although the majority of charges are pretty rediculous.

Rebar
June 17, 2005, 03:25 PM
What, moonbats being hypocrits?

Tell me it ain't so!

Nathaniel Firethorn
June 17, 2005, 03:27 PM
I don't think there was any cruelty there, just a bad decision in where to dump the animals.Disagree. They took at least some kittens that stood a good chance of adoption and killed 'em for no good reason, and lied about it to the vet they were taking them from.

- pd

buzz_knox
June 17, 2005, 03:28 PM
The real fun comes from the fact that PETA advertised these as no kill facilities and took donations based on those representations. PETA is likely to be looking at some fraud charges down the pike.

cobb
June 17, 2005, 03:30 PM
The real fun comes from the fact that PETA advertised these as no kill facilities and took donations based on those representations. PETA is likely to be looking at some fraud charges down the pike.
I think, only in our dreams. :banghead:

buzz_knox
June 17, 2005, 03:33 PM
I think, only in our dreams.

Actually, it's already being discussed. The moment the story broke about PETA's killer "no kill" facilities, fraud charges were discussed as a possibility.

Further, there hasn't been enough time for PETA's fellow travelers to work up the frenzy necessary to sue for fraud.

CentralTexas
June 17, 2005, 03:34 PM
Both overall good organizations that in principle we mostly agree with. The ACLU was the only group that stood with the NRA against McCain-Feingold for instance. Anyone here in favor of animal cruelty? Exactly, but mention either one and most folks here get so worked up. Think they sit around in PETA HQ and get excited when a hunter gets arrested for something?
CT

buzz_knox
June 17, 2005, 03:46 PM
Both overall good organizations that in principle we mostly agree with. The ACLU was the only group that stood with the NRA against McCain-Feingold for instance. Anyone here in favor of animal cruelty?

Nice strawman. PETA's position is that animals have rights equal to those of humans and should not used or abused for any purpose. So, do you agree that all animals everywhere should be given equal rights to humans?

As for the ACLU, spare me. They don't recognize my right to own firearms, so they aren't an "overall good" organization.

wasrjoe
June 17, 2005, 03:48 PM
Think they sit around in PETA HQ and get excited when a hunter gets arrested for something?

Uhhh, yes. Yes they do. PETA is a disgusting organization, and something I support in no way shape or form.

auschip
June 17, 2005, 03:57 PM
Anyone here in favor of animal cruelty? Exactly, but mention either one and most folks here get so worked up. Think they sit around in PETA HQ and get excited when a hunter gets arrested for something?

Animal cruelty, no. I prefer a clean kill in my hunting. However, I do think they get excited when a hunter gets arrested.

nico
June 17, 2005, 04:11 PM
Anyone here in favor of animal cruelty?

They see having a pet, as well as a great deal of animal research that is absolutely necessary to sustain our society as it is, as cruelty.

You might as well try to defend the VPC by talking about bazookas and assault weapons :rolleyes:

DirtyBrad
June 17, 2005, 04:38 PM
kbheiner7 wrote:

"Some will argue that people are naturally vegetarians and get very upset when it is pointed out that they have forward set eyes and canine teeth like other omnivoures. It is appearantly difficult to argue against one's own physiology."

Almost all primates have the same features, yet the only animals the majority of them eat are insects.

nico
June 17, 2005, 04:58 PM
Almost all primates have the same features, yet the only animals the majority of them eat are insects.
I'm by no means an expert, but iirc, almost all of the great apes are omnivores that eat flesh (not just insects). Not that I think you're trying to make the argument, but pointing out that some monkey eats insects and fruit doesn't prove that it's unnatural for chimps and gorillas to eat other animals.

CentralTexas
June 17, 2005, 05:05 PM
with eyes and fangs as you say we now choose not to live in caves either like some choose not to eat meat. Not a great argument that you are designed for something so you ahave to do what you are designed for.
Actually we aren't designed we are evolving. Oh crap, now it's a science v. religion thread! :neener:
CT

Omni04
June 17, 2005, 05:09 PM
Are we all not members of PETA ( People Eating Tasty Animals )?


To be honest when i saw this threrad i thought that what it was going to be about!!!


(ever since i saw that, ive wanted that on a bumper sticker!)

nico
June 17, 2005, 05:10 PM
The point is just to counter the BS argument that people weren't "meant" to eat meat. Pointy eyes and forward facing teeth are common traits of meat eating animals.

etex
June 17, 2005, 05:45 PM
The truth about PETA is that they are a radical, far left extremist, anti-hunting organization that supports domestic terrorism. http://www.huntersunite.com/peta.htm

DirtyBrad
June 17, 2005, 05:51 PM
Some primates do eat small mammals. My point is that many don't (gorillas, for example), yet still have the features associated with carnivores. Just because an animal has those features doesn't necessarily mean that it's "natural" for it to eat meat.

I agree with CentralTexas yet again. I've always asked what bearing natural behavior has on humans anyway. It's not natural to wear shoes, use soap, cook, or heal the sick.

DirtyBrad
June 17, 2005, 05:55 PM
I would also argue that humans aren't evolving, but devolving. There's pretty much nothing in nature (at least for the civilized world) that we must adapt to or die before we're old enough to procreate. In fact, just the opposite. Things that might have killed off groups before us are now cured or managed, certainly long enough for us to reproduce. I don't think that's bad, just that it eliminates natural selection and therefor evolution for us.

Not sure what that has to do with PETA, but I'm also not sure what PETA has to do with this forum anyway.

Chipperman
June 17, 2005, 05:57 PM
Most primates will eat anything they can get into their mouth, whether it is meat or not. Gorillas are the least likely to eat meat with any regularity. Chimps, by contrast actively hunt and kill quite frequently.

Old World moneys generally eat meat whenever they can get it, New World monkeys will eat it with a little less relish.

Dentition of primates shows that they are in fact ominvores.

Justin
June 17, 2005, 07:27 PM
with eyes and fangs as you say we now choose not to live in caves either like some choose not to eat meat. Not a great argument that you are designed for something so you ahave to do what you are designed for. Choose? Ha. If Ingrid Newkirk were elected president do you honestly think that I would still be allowed to choose to consume meat?

Sorry, but PeTA considers animal cruelty to be anything short of, as Ingrid Newkirk put it- "total animal liberation."

PeTA is not a worthwhile organization- their members regularly force their views on others by engaging in belligerent and abusive protest tactics, and neither the grassroots members nor the leadership are willing to engage in rational thought.

And this is to say nothing of their
campaign comparing farm animals to victims of the Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals#Holocaust_on_Your_Plate), support for organizations like The Animal Liberation Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front), tacit support of industrial sabotage, and even financial support given to people like the terrorist Rodney Coronado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Coronado), among others.

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