Biden says he'll run for President in 2008


June 19, 2005, 08:57 PM
Can it get any better than this? In case you've forgotten, here is his record on gun control. This guy even makes McCain look good. He might even make Billary look good. :banghead:

Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)

Biden says he'll run for president in 2008
Senior Democrat on Foreign Relations Committee ran in 1988
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. at the Capitol, May 26, 2005.

Updated: 1:15 p.m. ET June 19, 2005WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden said Sunday he intends to run for president in 2008, two decades after he dropped out of the race amid charges he plagiarized a British politician's speech.

"My intention now is to seek the nomination," Biden, of Delaware, said on CBS television's "Face the Nation." He said he would explore his support and decide by the end of this year -- a sign the race may get off to an early and competitive start.

"If in fact I think I have a clear shot at winning the nomination, by this November or December, then I'm going to seek the nomination," he said.

Biden is the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a frequent critic of President Bush's Iraq policy.

He previously indicated his interest in the 2008 race with a December 2004 comment he would proceed as if he were running, but he said then he would take two years to decide.

Biden would face potential challengers including New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the former U.S. first lady who has led early polling on the Democratic side.

Other possible Democratic contenders include Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the nominee defeated by Bush in 2004, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, Kerry's running mate.

Biden campaigned for the 1988 Democratic nomination but withdrew early in the race after charges he plagiarized parts of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock and exaggerated his academic record.

The Republican field may also be crowded in 2008, with Bush barred from running and Vice President Dick Cheney saying he does not intend to run, thus leaving no incumbent with a head start.

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June 19, 2005, 08:59 PM
So let him have a good fight with billary. Our fight is going to be nominating someone who isnt McCain.

June 19, 2005, 09:06 PM

Biden for President!

What a hoot! If enough of us send a trivial amount of money, say $10 each, then the Mainstream Media will think that there is a groundswell of support for this stoopid man. Feed the insanity! Perfect agitprop! They will all froth around Tim Russert and The Beltway Boys, the NYT will be forced to write idiotic Op-Ed pieces signifying nothing. Good summer fun!

R.H. Lee
June 19, 2005, 09:09 PM
heh. Mr. hair transplant. He won't get nominated. He's even more arrogant and obnoxious than Kerry, if you can believe that.

June 19, 2005, 09:10 PM
$10? I think $.10 might be more like it. What's the mininum donation they have to track? We want to make sure to send them an amount that costs more to keep track of than it's worth.

Standing Wolf
June 19, 2005, 09:48 PM
He's even more arrogant and obnoxious than Kerry, if you can believe that.

Ouch! I think I've just strained my credulity!

June 19, 2005, 10:34 PM
Our fight is going to be nominating someone who isnt McCain.

the answer is obvious...


he's a classic southern "distinguished gentleman" (i.e. male/caucasian==electible)

he's very pro-gun
he's retired from the senate

and most importantly, he's FORMERLY a democrat, but spoke at the republican national convention, saying the democrats aren't what they used to be.

He'll actually be "conservative" but with a lot of sympathy for democrat issues, but 2A isn't one of them...

and he earned a heckuva lot of political capital during the RNC and before, for the damage he did to kerry.

his only downside is name recognition

edit: btw, an added benefit is georgia's excellent fiscal responsibility. even though he isn't technically responsible for it, at least he was in the neighborhood

June 19, 2005, 10:38 PM
and most importantly, he's FORMERLY a democrat

Technically, I still think he is.

June 19, 2005, 10:43 PM
hmm... i think you're right

that can be fixed though

June 19, 2005, 10:52 PM
Woo, there is an idea. Zell Miller isnt really tarnished by a long stretch in congress. He was just appointed to fill an empty slot after a relatively unremarkable local career. So there might not be a ton of dirt with which to damage him.

Still, I'm not sure that he has what it takes to make it all the way.

CZ 75 BD
June 19, 2005, 11:06 PM
They are having a pretty good run lately.

Lyin' Joe Biden? Ha hahahah

June 19, 2005, 11:07 PM
Is Zell pro-choice or pro-life?

Not sure he can go one inch nationally if not pro-choice?

How bout a Lieberman/Miller ticket for the Dems?

[Yeah I know..]


Headless Thompson Gunner
June 19, 2005, 11:10 PM
A Zel Miller presidential campaign would be cool to watch. He's the only Democrat who could beat a strong Republican candidate. Yet he's the only viable Democrat who wouldn't be able to secure the Democrat's nomination. How's that for irony?

June 19, 2005, 11:49 PM
Does anyone remember what happend to Joe Biden's LAST presidential bid?

He had to drop out of the race because he got caught plagiarizing in one of his speeches.

He liberally quoted British politician Neil Kinnock....only he didn't say that the quoted sections were actually qotes....he tried to pass Kinnock's words off as his own.....oops!

None other than the Washington Post neatly crucifies him here.

Joseph Biden's Plagiarism; Michael Dukakis's 'Attack Video' 1988
Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden Jr., a U.S. senator from Delaware, was driven from the nomination battle after delivering, without attribution, passages from a speech by British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock. A barrage of subsidiary revelations by the press also contributed to Biden's withdrawal: a serious plagiarism incident involving Biden during his law school years; the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record at a New Hampshire campaign event; and the discovery of other quotations in Biden's speeches pilfered from past Democratic politicians.

The controversy became two frenzies in one when it was disclosed that the campaign of Massachusetts Gov. Michael S. Dukakis had earlier secretly distributed to several news media outlets an "attack video" juxtaposing the Biden and Kinnock speeches and revealing Biden's word theft. The Dukakis campaign at first stonewalled and denied any part in the tape's distribution, but when the truth emerged Dukakis was forced to fire his campaign manager, John Sasso, and political director, Paul Tully the two who had orchestrated the maneuver. Dukakis himself insisted he had no prior knowledge of their actions, and though wounded, his candidacy survived the incident.

June 20, 2005, 02:12 AM
Mr. Miller will not take the job. Pity.


Bartholomew Roberts
June 20, 2005, 09:30 AM
Big shock. As much time as Biden has spent on TV talk shows in the past two years, he was either running for President in 2008 or a spot on celebrity Survivor.

June 20, 2005, 12:15 PM

I begged Mr. Miller to run in 2004. I would've voted for him in a heartbeat. His secretary expressed her thanks for my kind words, but stated that Mr. Miller was looking forward to retirement and time with his family. It's a loss for our country, but I wish him a happy sunset.

June 20, 2005, 12:19 PM
He'll again move us all by talk of being the child of poor coal miners...Good ole Senator Kinnock, D-Wales...

June 20, 2005, 12:28 PM
hillbilly beat me to it. :D

June 20, 2005, 12:44 PM
His secretary expressed her thanks for my kind words, but stated that Mr. Miller was looking forward to retirement and time with his family.

surely we can guilt him into it... i mean, after all, thousands of american soldiers are giving their lives for our country in some 130degree desert hell-hole, and all we're asking Mr. Miller to do is take a quarter-million-dollar per year salary and sit in a white house with his family.... oh, and keep his finger off the big Red Button.

June 20, 2005, 12:52 PM
Biden isn't a serious candidate. This is a page out of the Vietnam playbook. Loft an anti-war candidate who, because he is a candidate, can say in public what other can't say.

Biden will be the voice of the anti-war movement in the US. Others in the democrat party who want to speak out but don't dare because of voter opposition now have their voice in public. Biden's seat is safe. He runs no political risk by fronting the anti-war movement.

Master Blaster
June 20, 2005, 01:55 PM
He's my senator from DE, I have voted against him in every election for the past 25 years, and yet some idiots beleive the nonsense and lies that pour from his piehole. Somebody votes for him though.

I hate him because back in the early 1970's he got the justice department interested in forced busing and forcing Delaware where the schools were not all that segregated into court ordered busing, while Philadelphia, and Baltimore were given a pass and remained segregated to this day.
He is the one who started the bankruptcy reform law on behalf of his usureous masters the credit card banks back in the late 1980's. He is the handmaiden of the american trial lawyers assoc, and has been instrumental in blocking tort reform.

He is extremely anti gun, for us serfs anyway, but he and his son own guns and skeet shoot often, Hypocrit.

Any liberal democrat who actually knows where his money comes from and looks at his voting record would be appalled, and would never vote for him again.

Any gunowner or lover of freedom and the constitution would never vote for this lying Fraud.

June 20, 2005, 01:59 PM
Biden vs. McCain...?

Ah Wilderness!

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