Metro Police have captured the teenager after going on a deadly shooting rampage


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mwithers72
June 20, 2005, 09:54 AM
Metro Police have captured the teenager suspected of going on a deadly shooting rampage in Rivergate and Madison. Police say 15-year old, Lavendar Dontay Howse shot three people Sunday, killing one.

It all started at the Shoe Carnival in Madison. Here, police say Howse was trying to steal a pair of shoes when a security guard tried to stop him. Investigators say that's when Howse pulled out a gun and shot the security guard six times.

Police say Howse, then fled to Rivergate Mall, where he shot a nine-year-old boy during an attempted robbery in the parking lot. The young boy was shot in the face, but is expected to be all right. The boy's father, happened to have a gun of his own, and opened fire on the teenager. Howse was not hit during the gun battle, but the stolen car he was traveling in was hit several times, causing the back window to shatter.

Still, Howse continued on his rampage, eventually making his way to another residential area in Madison. The final victim came when Howse shot a woman walking her dog down Oak Street.

Police received word that he may have been spotted in East Nashville, at the Berkshire Place Apartment Complex. When they arrived on the scene they were able to take Howse into custody. At the time of his arrest, he was still carrying a gun believed to have been used in all three shootings. He was also carrying additional ammunition.

Family members said, Howse had recently been released from juvenile, and was involved with a dangerous and influential crowd.

Howse was escorted back to the Juvenile Detention Center, but may later be charged as an adult.

He now, faces one count of Homicide, two counts of Attempted Homicide and three counts of Robbery.

Dorinda Carter for News 2 this Morning
06.20.05

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3494558&nav=1ugBbDOv

I just dont know what to say? it was a sad day

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HighVelocity
June 20, 2005, 10:02 AM
I don't care if he's 15 yrs old, he does not deserve oxygen. :fire:

K-Romulus
June 20, 2005, 10:09 AM
Police say Howse, then fled to Rivergate Mall, where he shot a nine-year-old boy during an attempted robbery in the parking lot. The young boy was shot in the face, but is expected to be all right. The boy's father, happened to have a gun of his own, and opened fire on the teenager. Howse was not hit during the gun battle, but the stolen car he was traveling in was hit several times, causing the back window to shatter.

If not for the Dad's foresight in CCW'ing, there would be two more dead victims . . . :(

armoredman
June 20, 2005, 10:10 AM
I certainly hope his last days are soon, and his last minutes are spent strapped to a gurney with a needle in his arm. Wish the dad had had better luck shooting back - way to go!

Cacique500
June 20, 2005, 10:25 AM
and was involved with a dangerous and influential crowd

erm...don't they mean a GANG?!

OEF_VET
June 20, 2005, 10:57 AM
I have a good friend who lives in the Rivergate area. He and his wife just recently came to the realization that the world isn't as idyllic as some would seem to think it is. As a result, they've bought a couple guns and begun to learn to shoot them. Gary has also taken his CCW class and applied for his permit. I'm going to have to show him this article, to reinforce his determination to take self-defense seriously.

boofus
June 20, 2005, 10:59 AM
He won't face the death penalty. Because Europeans said so.

Thanks to the black robed traitors sitting in a court room in DC.

Shootcraps
June 20, 2005, 11:00 AM
He should get life for his actions, and another 20 years on top of that for that stupid name.

psyopspec
June 20, 2005, 12:13 PM
Metro Police have captured the teenager after going on a deadly shooting rampage

I was a little worried when I read the headline - made it sound like the police were doing the rampaging, carrying out extreme jack-booted thuggery without prejuidice.

Hope the little turd never sees the light of day again, though that's not too likely.

Master Blaster
June 20, 2005, 12:52 PM
He will be back on the street in 3 or 4 years 10 years max, where he will either be killed, or will kill someone else (because he is a sociopath with no education and no other options than to rob and kill), and get the life sentance or the death penalty he so richly deserves.

Flyboy
June 20, 2005, 01:41 PM
...and get the life sentance or the death penalty he so richly deserves.
And all it will cost us is a few more dead innocents, because we're "civilized" and don't execute, or lock up for life, certain murderers.

mikep99
June 20, 2005, 01:58 PM
how can someone survivie a face shot!


That guy deserves to be found guilty on every count and sentence to immediate death! :fire:

sorry these things bother me

Minnesota Shooter
June 20, 2005, 03:06 PM
More ammo for the antis coming their way.... :mad:

mics357
June 20, 2005, 04:12 PM
dam The young boy was shot in the face, but is expected to be all right. The boy's father, happened to have a gun of his own, and opened fire on the teenager. i'm afraid the boy may survive but i doubt he will be all right for a very long time (if ever) and dad proably saved many lives as it sounds to me like he would have shot anyone who came into range. I hope he spends the rest of his days (as few as possible) locked away. Unfortunetly I'm sure courts will have him out to kill again before that nine year old is done with all his surgeries :fire:

entropy
June 20, 2005, 04:28 PM
What a waste of oxygen. Shooting a guard over a pair of shoes, then deciding to take out everyone who crossed his path. It's a shame he was allowed to surrender. What ever happened to 'shot while resisting arrest' ? It's a shame the kid's dad didn't terminate this 'goblin', as the good Col. is so fond of referring to them. :fire:

LiquidTension
June 20, 2005, 04:49 PM
The father of the boy that was shot was unlucky that his first shots didn't connect, but lucky that his later shots did not either. If the back glass of the automobile was shot out, it'd be hard for him to justify (in court, not morally) those particular rounds since the guy was running away.

Standing Wolf
June 20, 2005, 05:01 PM
Family members said, Howse had recently been released from juvenile...

Yet another poster boy for probation and parole.

triggertime
June 20, 2005, 06:15 PM
OEF_VET: I had just got off I-65 and was heading down Rivergate Pkwy when the shooting in the mall parking lot went down. How's that for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? (yes, I was armed...)

It's amazing that the punk's zinc .380 worked well enough to allow him to go on a 'rampage' to begin with...

atblis
June 20, 2005, 06:30 PM
while he was driving away, I don't know many people that would convict him. I however don't live in the same area.

OEF_VET
June 20, 2005, 06:48 PM
He'd doubtless lose his pistol to the cops for an investigation, but I highly doubt he'd be convicted. He would, however, be open to civil litigation.

There was a recent shooting at a local gunstore, where someone tried to steal some guns and started fighting with an employee. Another employee, the store owners' son, felt that his colleagues' life was in danger and shot the perp twice. All of the employees carry openly, so there was a good chance the perp might have attempted to grab the employee's pistol. One or both rounds hit him in the back and the guy died later. The District Attorney declined to prosecute or even take it to a Grand Jury. Of course, it doesn't hurt that the local small-town PD's use your indoor, computer-controlled, air-conditioned range for practice and qualifications.

Bob F.
June 20, 2005, 10:15 PM
"Rehabilitation thru reincarnation!!"

joab
June 20, 2005, 10:26 PM
it'd be hard for him to justify (in court, not morally) those particular rounds since the guy was running away. I don't know the exact law but he could do it in Fla.
If the BG is a clear threat to the public.

Awhile back I read a newspaper account of a man who went into a business and shot and killed a few people.

BG keft on a bicycle and pedaled his way down the road with the gun still in his posession..

Two employees followed him in a car , neither would say who shot the BG as they pulled alongside of him , they claim that both of their hands were on the gun.

They got off

RoyG
June 20, 2005, 10:32 PM
Link fixed (http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3494558&nav=1ugBbDOv)

jefnvk
June 20, 2005, 11:03 PM
I certainly hope his last days are soon, and his last minutes are spent strapped to a gurney with a needle in his arm.

Sadly, becaue he is a minor, that will not happen. He is old enough to kill, but not to be killed.

After all, it isn't his fault. If society had only held him more, given him the things he wanted free of charge, his parents been more supportive of him joining the NFL, none of this would have ever happened. He is a just a kid gone wrong, he doesn't deserve to die for that.

frenchwrench
June 20, 2005, 11:54 PM
A true waste of skin and hair.....he needs to be deleted before he spawns.

Hardtarget
June 21, 2005, 12:33 AM
All this happened in my area. I shop and travel through Rivergate area often. I work in Madison. He was caught very close to my home. I'm more than glad he will not be running loose for a while. I wish the father of the youngster had done a better job with his shooting. Some say we, as a nation, are too civilized for the death penality.I say we've regressed. When criminals are not "dealt with"...are turned back onto the population...we've just gone backwards! There are times when the death penality is the only answer.
Mark.

texasguy
June 21, 2005, 01:52 AM
Sadly, becaue he is a minor, that will not happen. He is old enough to kill, but not to be killed.

After all, it isn't his fault. If society had only held him more, given him the things he wanted free of charge, his parents been more supportive of him joining the NFL, none of this would have ever happened. He is a just a kid gone wrong, he doesn't deserve to die for that.

would you feel the same way If he shot your 9 year old in the face?

twency
June 21, 2005, 04:30 AM
Err, umm, texasguy, I suspect you missed the sarcasm implicit in the comment you quoted.

-twency

AK-74me
June 21, 2005, 04:45 AM
Well since he was trying to stop a fleeing felon who obviously was a threat to kill or seriously injure himself or another innocent, to me it would be completely justified under the law.

LiquidTension
June 21, 2005, 07:25 AM
The fleeing felon doctrine was made illegal in Tennesse v. Garner (1985) on due process grounds. While you and I know that this miscreant is a threat to public safety, the law is that he has to be an imminent threat for lethal force to be used. If he had been driving away and shooting out the window he would have been an imminent threat. Since he was just running away, a prosecutor would stress that he was no longer an "imminent" threat and therefore the shooter would not be protected under the law.

Yes, most places are full of people that would not convict the shooter. If the shooting happened in a place like Berkeley though....

c_yeager
June 21, 2005, 09:30 AM
Lavendar Dontay Howse

Well, i blame the parents...

buzz_knox
June 21, 2005, 09:47 AM
Since he was just running away, a prosecutor would stress that he was no longer an "imminent" threat and therefore the shooter would not be protected under the law.

As Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "[c]alm reflection is not possible in the face of an upraised knife." The citizen saw his child shot in front of him and the shooter fleeing away. Not only could a good argument be made that the incident was still occurring and that the shooter might be afraid that the person who just shot his child would return and/or use the vehicle, but it's extremely unlikely any grand jury will indict or will any jury convict based on these circumstances.

By the way, Garner would have allowed the suspect to be shot. It stands for the proposition that you can't use deadly force to effect an arrest absent other justification for use of said force. If it stood for the proposition you are suggesting, every time a cop fired on a suspect's vehicle, they'd be in violation. This person had shown a reckless disregard for human life, and a reasonable person would believe he posed an imminent and continuing threat to others.

AK-74me
June 21, 2005, 01:01 PM
Well if he can justify it and articulate that then he is fine. Since the guy then did go on to commit more murders then he obvisouly was making the right choice in firing this time. Now I know hindsite is 20/20 but I don't think that the case would be hard too make considering the way the attack on the little boy was unprevoked.

SteveS
June 21, 2005, 01:25 PM
The fleeing felon doctrine was made illegal in Tennesse v. Garner (1985) on due process grounds.

IIRC, this case clarified the fleeing felon doctrine in regards to the police, not the rest of us. Due process only applies to state action and state actors. The fleeing felon doctrine would still protect citizens in this type of shooting, though it is by no means set in stone.

xdoctor
June 21, 2005, 03:00 PM
Ya know, if my Mother had named me Lavendar... I'd probebly want to kill people too.

Ala Dan
June 21, 2005, 05:37 PM
Try him as an adult, convict him as an adult. Toss fresh meat into the pen.
Being a teenager not many bleeding heart's will vote for the death penalty;
so LWOP (Life Without Parole) looks like a good option.

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