How to carry rifle in car? Florida


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gotime242
June 20, 2005, 07:48 PM
Hello all, i often go to the range, and drive probably 20 min. to do so. I never really found out what the laws are for carrying a rifle in the car.

So far i have just been leaving on the passenger floorboard, with a gunlock through the bolt, and the ammo/clip in the glove compartment. I did this thinking maybe it must be in "plain sight?" I dont have a case for it, and i dont have a trunk either. It must be in the cabin of my little 2 seater sports car.

How should i go about this? Like i said, this is Florida.

Thanks!

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heypete
June 20, 2005, 08:02 PM
If you cannot secure the rifle out of sight, or at least conceal it out of sight, you should not be carrying the rifle in your vehicle. Leaving it in plain view is asking for it to be stolen.

That said, I've been looking at keeping my Kel-Tec SU-16B as my "car gun" in my Honda. Unfortunately, being in California, I'm not sure of the legality of such. Anyone know if it's legal to keep an unloaded (though with charged magazines nearby) rifle in the trunk of one's vehicle without a "specific purpose" (i.e. going hunting, going to the range, etc.)? Just for general driving about?

Cheers!

jobu07
June 20, 2005, 08:06 PM
If you're just going to and from the range, I don't see why having a locked and unloaded gun next to you would be a big deal.

gotime242
June 20, 2005, 08:11 PM
Oh yeah, i forgot to mention...this is by no means a car gun, i put it in, go straight to the range, shoot it, and bring it straight home and leave it there. I dont go anywhere but the range with it in the car.

heypete
June 20, 2005, 08:18 PM
Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. I offer my apologies.

It may be worthwhile to invest in a soft rifle case, to both protect your rifle from damage and conceal it from public view. They run about $20 at gun shows, and are worthwhile. They also make carrying it to and from the range a bit easier, as they have handles.

lunaslide
June 20, 2005, 08:23 PM
That said, I've been looking at keeping my Kel-Tec SU-16B as my "car gun" in my Honda. Unfortunately, being in California, I'm not sure of the legality of such. Anyone know if it's legal to keep an unloaded (though with charged magazines nearby) rifle in the trunk of one's vehicle without a "specific purpose" (i.e. going hunting, going to the range, etc.)? Just for general driving about?
Any gun being transported in a car in CA must be locked in a hard case, unloaded with the ammunition stored in a different part of the car. IIRC, ammo may not be loaded into magazines. You must be traveling between a range or hunting area and your home. The idea of a "truck-gun" as in a gun in your vehicle that can be used in an emergency is basically verboten. California's gun laws are very much anti self-defense.

heypete
June 20, 2005, 08:32 PM
Any gun being transported in a car in CA must be locked in a hard case, unloaded with the ammunition stored in a different part of the car.
Not so. This applies only to handguns, not long guns.

One can transport long guns in the passenger compartment, uncased, as long as they are unloaded. I have done this numerous time, and have asked the California DOJ and several local law enforcement agencies (in the citys in which I travel) and all have confirmed this.

One can even (legally, though I doubt the public would appreciate it) carry a slung, uncased, unloaded rifle on one's back while bicycling or walking.

IIRC, ammo may not be loaded into magazines.
This I've never heard. The law states that ammunition that is "attached" to the gun in any way (I wonder if this applies to the magazine storage area in the buttstock of the Kel-Tec?) makes the gun "loaded".

I've not heard of any restrictions about carrying charged magazines. Do you have a cite for this?

You must be traveling between a range or hunting area and your home. The idea of a "truck-gun" as in a gun in your vehicle that can be used in an emergency is basically verboten. California's gun laws are very much anti self-defense.
Hmm. I'll have to look into this more and seek out confirmation. I know California gun laws suck, and that carrying a truck gun in the more rural areas is probably overlooked, but I'd like to double-check.

stangboy555
June 20, 2005, 08:34 PM
If you do not have a CCW then just get a hard or soft case for the rifle and keep the ammo seperated from the gun. You'll be fine in FL.

beerslurpy
June 20, 2005, 10:02 PM
You have to keep it hidden from view regardless of whether you have a CCW.

If you have a CCW, you can keep it loaded and merely concealed from view.

If you dont, you have to have it secured, although it can be kept loaded. Secured means inside a case, inside the glove compartment or inside the center console. Or similar. Under a blanket doesnt count as secure I dont think.

Best advice with a rifle is unloaded, in the trunk, in a case.

gotime242
June 20, 2005, 10:44 PM
I dont have a trunk. :(

I had better get a case though, i was hoping to eventually, but i feel i should now act on it sooner.

This is why i dont have a trunk:

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beerslurpy
June 20, 2005, 11:04 PM
Yeah, reminds me of the problems I had with the miata back when it was my daily driver. Trunk was big enough for handguns or disassembled rifles, but I had to put a case in the front seat and lower the top. Now that I have the land barge it isnt an issue.

That is one hell of a bizarre intercooler setup you have. Intercooler placement was one my main gripes about the MR2.

Also, why do you have full size piping for most of the way, but a drinking straw for the first stretch leaving the compressor outlet? Doesnt that hurt overall airflow? Also, why is the bov on the hot side of the IC?

gotime242
June 21, 2005, 07:40 PM
The bov is comming from the turbo side of the intercooler, same as the stock toyota configuration.

The smaller pipe is ok because it directly matches the diameter of the turbo outlet. (2") It definetly would hurt performance if it was bigger...THEN got smaller, and bigger again. Like if i had 2.3" off the turbo, then it turned to 2, then 3...yeah that wouldnt be good at all.

But since it follows the turbo outlet diameter its ok for that small section. Plus it allows me to use the oem bov pipe as a 90 deg bend, and i can reuse the oem bov (bpv) which is very good. (This particular oem bpv is very stong).

So like i said, its ok to be small for a bit, as long as its consistantly increasing.

Works well though ;) So far this car is making approx 400 crank hp, and i expect high 11's in the 1/4 mile when i go back to the track with proper driving, and good traction (the car weighs about 2600 lbs due to weight reduction).

ZenMasterJG
June 21, 2005, 07:51 PM
i'm too poor to buy a bunch of hardcases, so i just bought a bunch of gun socks and put them in there whenever im going to the range. i'd invest in one, they're only like 4 bucks.

joab
June 21, 2005, 08:06 PM
It is lawful to possess a concealed firearm for self defense or other lawful purposes within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. A firearm other than a handgun may be carried anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. This exemption does not authorize the carrying of a firearm concealed on the person. (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=FL)

lunaslide
June 21, 2005, 08:13 PM
OK. I don't keep up on CA gun law anymore since I've moved, so it seems I'm mistaken on a couple points. I will say however, that in LA county they went the "extra mile" as far as restrictions were concerned. I had the same sort of issue as you guys with my Jeep Wrangler.

Gung-Ho
June 21, 2005, 08:28 PM
Yeah I miss Florida sometimes. I used to carry a loaded holstered .45 in the glovebox all the time.....Yes, this is legal there.

beerslurpy
June 21, 2005, 09:00 PM
400 crank? You took the engine out of the car and used an engine dyno? Or did you dyno at the wheels and estimate? Or did you just estimate based on your mods? What turbo are you running and how much boost?

Hate to do it, but when you quote crank hp figures, people are going to call BS.

gotime242
June 21, 2005, 09:21 PM
Haha, i just say crank hp because many people dont understand the whole wheel hp thing. They publish the hp ratings of new cars in crank hp, so that usually what i tell people accustomed to those kinds of numbers.

Its a tdo6 20g turbo, at 19.5/20 psi. It makes 326rwhp and the mr2 usually sees about a 20% drivetrain loss (ouch, thanks a lot fwd transmission...just in the back), so with 20% thats 407. Thats why i say +/- 400

So i choose #2, i dynoed at the wheels, and made an estimate.

beerslurpy
June 21, 2005, 09:32 PM
Sweet setup.

I just went from 17 up to 20 psi on my trusty T3/T04B setup. (and blew up a bunch of drivetrain parts) I'm expecting mid-low 300s when I am running again. I havent dynoed the car since I was making low 200s at the wheels (11 psi old motor). Car weighs about 2300 lbs.

20 percent drivetrain loss is great, one of the few advantages of a FWD setup. Btw, I think the loss is constant not proportional, at least at every car I've seen. Spec miata motors show a 30hp loss from drivetrain, while 350whp setups engine dyno around 380.

chunk
June 22, 2005, 02:07 AM
i dont mean to jack the thread .but what are the laws in alabama??handgun, rifle, shot gun

ZenMasterJG
June 22, 2005, 08:12 AM
check out packing.org (http://www.packing.org)
lots of good info there.

Ben_Tucci
June 23, 2005, 12:00 AM
I guess someone needs to tell all the guys with gun racks in their trucks that it has to be hidden out of sight lol. This is florida and if you haven't seen a truck with a gun rack you aren't looking hard enough.

joab
June 23, 2005, 01:46 AM
This is florida and if you haven't seen a truck with a gun rack you aren't looking hard enough. I haven't seen a gun rack in a window in Central Fla since the late 80's

beerslurpy
June 23, 2005, 02:03 AM
Me neither. I have yet to see a single gun rack with a gun in it here.

Ben_Tucci
June 23, 2005, 03:33 AM
I guess its only around my area lol but then again its pretty rural here and lots of hunters.

joab
June 23, 2005, 03:51 AM
its pretty rural here and lots of hunters.

Apparently you've never visited Christmas, Bithlo, Ocala, or Lake County or Polk County or any of the towns on the HillBilly Corridor (W,B,McGee Hwy, recently changed to MLK Blvd)

Ben_Tucci
June 23, 2005, 03:56 AM
actually i have been out to ocala, I actually live up in putnam county, i thought there was an exception if someone was actually going to and from hunting. Maybe its just me lol it is late and ive been known to be wrong before.

joab
June 23, 2005, 08:05 AM
No you do see it some around the management lands around hunting season.

When I was a kid every truck had them as daily dress

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