[DeltaElite]

Long, but worth it. :D Delta
http://www.strangecosmos.com/read.adp?joke_id=4129

Who's Smarter?

by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid," "morons," and "idiots." Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?
Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid," "ignorant," "moronic"
leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic reelection victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capitol Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly reelected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in
1981.
(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting

Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.



HOLLYWOOD WHO NEEDS EM

[Hkmp5sd]

:D :D "Stupid is as stupid does."

[Vladimir Berkov]

Of course, Bush's grades in college were mediocre at best, and his SAT scores sub-par.

[CZ-75]

Of course, Bush's grades in college were mediocre at best, and his SAT scores sub-par.

So were Al Gore's. JFK got poor grades.

[TallPine]

Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
Jessica Lange is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences ...
Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.

:confused:

There must be a misprint in there somewhere.

Can somebody clue me in ....?

[CZ-75]

Is George W. Bush a Moron?
by Steve Sailer
Thursday, November 18, 1999



The New Yorker's recent revelation that presidential frontrunner Texas Gov.
George W. Bush scored a mere 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test(SAT) has
incited journalists to s****** at his intellect. "The sharpest tool in the
shed he ain't," declared Jacob Weisberg of the ever-so-cleverSlate.com in an
article entitled "Do Dim Bulbs Make Better Presidents?" Soon, a Boston
reporter ambushed Bush with a pop quiz: Could he name the leaders of
Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan? Missing three of the four has exposed
Bush to the kind of scorn Dan Quayle endured after he misspelled "potato."

Does Bush's IQ matter?
What is particularly amusing about these attacks on Bush's IQ is that ever
since the 1994 publication of The Bell Curve by Charles Murray and the late
Richard Herrnstein, liberals have pursued an all-out vendetta against mental
testing and even the concept of intelligence. This egalitarian crusade
peaked earlier this autumn with the publication of that glib denunciation of
the SAT, The Big Test: The Secret History of the American Meritocracy by
Nicholas Lemann.

Although Lemann's book contains almost no quantitative data on
testing(apparently he couldn't find any to support his prejudices), a huge
amount is available to help us interpret Bush's SAT score.

IQ snobbery

So, does a 1206 (566 Verbal, 640 Math) truly mean you're as dumb as a box of
rocks?

First, any current college students reading this need to remember that SAT
scores beginning in 1996 were artificially inflated. So, do not assume that
your elders' relatively unimpressive results are objective proof that they
really are moronic as they may appear to you.

Second, although tables are readily available to convert SAT scores into
percentile rankings, they are not realistic since people who know they are
not college material do not take the SAT. Therefore, I asked my Human
Biodiversity e-mail discussion group how Bush would stack up compared to the
entire American public, not just SAT-takers.

In reply, Charles Murray noted that everybody except dropouts takes the
Pre-SAT. From the PSAT Murray calculates, "A Verbal 566 puts Bush at about
the 95th percentile of juniors & seniors ..., while 640 on Math puts him at
about the 98th percentile." In other words, only one out of 20 people would
out perform the candidate on the verbal part of the test, and only one out
of 50 on the numeric portion. Although SAT scores and IQ scores do not
coincide perfectly, Bush's SAT score would roughly project to an IQ in the
125-130 range.

Thus, all the sneering at Bush's 1206 says less about him than it does about
the IQ snobbery rampant among supposedly egalitarian liberals, especially
among neo-liberal journalists.

Are dumb president preferable?

In contrast to the liberals, conservatives suddenly have started
pooh-poohing the value of tests they had been defending only days before.
They now argue that a high IQ might work against success in the Oval Office.
Their argument is as follows: Nobody ever accused Ronald Reagan, John
F.Kennedy (IQ of 117 according to biographer Thomas C. Reeves), Harry
Truman, Franklin D. Roosevelt or George Washington of being sensationally
cerebral. In contrast, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon (143 IQ), Herbert Hoover,
Woodrow Wilson, William Howard Taft and John Adams were smarter than they
were successful.

That's as illogical, however, as believing that height does not help in
basketball just because there are a number of fine players in the NBA who
aren't particularly tall, like 6'-0" Allen Iverson or 5'-3" Muggsy Bogues.

Just because presidents with stratospheric IQs have performed about the same
as their less egg-headed colleagues does not mean that IQ is not desirable
in a president, all else being equal. The problem is that all else is not
equal: Because so few people are at the far-right end of the IQ bell curve,
you cannot always find an individual among them who is blessed with all the
other presidential talents you desire. In contrast, the rare individuals who
make it to the White House from the fat part of the bell curve are far more
gifted in other ways than is typical for their IQ, just as Iverson and
Bogues make up for their height by being extraordinarily quick.

Consider the evenly matched Kennedy vs. Nixon election of 1960. There are
about 60 times more people who were at least as smart as JFK (whose IQ fell
at the 87th percentile) than were as smart as Nixon (99.8th percentile). Not
surprisingly, though, in compensation JFK was about 60 times as charismatic
as Nixon.

Too early to tell

Similarly, while Bush's test scores are far above average, more than 5
million American adults do at least as well as him. Out of a pool that vast,
we ought to be able to find individuals who have truly remarkable non-IQ
skills. Is Bush one of them? Our problem is that we do not yet know.
Unfortunately, the GOP establishment has been working hard to foreclose the
kind of grueling nomination fight that traditionally exposed candidates'
strengths and weaknesses.

Also exacerbating concern over his intellect is that Bush, like his father,
has run not so much on any particular platform but on an implied assertion
that he is the best man to deal with whatever problems happen to crop up. In
contrast, Reagan eased worries about his lack of improvisatory intelligence
by telling voters exactly what he intended to do in office. As Reagan
showed, it is ultimately more important to be right than smart -- no matter
how smart you are.

George W. Bush has nothing to be ashamed about with his SAT scores -- he is
an intelligent guy. His IQ is rather like a 6'-3" basketball player's
height: not a reason to think he couldn't make it to the top, but also not a
reason for calling off the season and handing him the Most Valuable Player
trophy right now.

Steve Sailer is the president of the Human Biodiversity Institute.

[SanduneCC]

The first mention of "Jessica Lange" should be replaced with "She". It's a continuation of Condi Rice's credentials.

[TallPine]

The first mention of "Jessica Lange" should be replaced with "She is a". It's a continuation of Condi Rice's credentials.

Oh ... okay - thanks.

Kind of an underachiever, ain't she? :D


Kind of reminds of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" - if anybody else can remember back that far.

[JohnBT]

Even if the actor types are smarter - they are still wrong.

John

[UnknownSailor]

Actors are specialists in doing one thing. Acting (see, there's that word again) like somebody else.

They get no training, or experience on leadership. They do not have the information gathering apparatus that the President does.

Lastly, and more importantly, if an actor screws up at work, they can just film another take. If the President screws up, concievably millions can die.

So, when I see one of these useful idiots spout off in the media or in print, I strongly want to break out a clue stick, and smite them about the head and shoulders briskly. And the sailor in me wants to tell them to shut up, in sailor speak. Acronym: STFU

[Greg L]

Thanks Sandune,

I was scratching my head over that one too. :confused:

Greg

[Blackhawk]

That Jessica Lange thing really got me for a while. Went to the article and found what's already been posted.

Please edit it DeltaElite! :D

Jessica Lange is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995."Jessica Lange" should be "She" as it's referring to Condi from there on down to where it outs the celebs..

[Quartus]

These celebrities have no intelligence http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=177202


Although literary types may frown on it, sometimes a sentence fragment says it best.


:D


BTW, Vladimir:

Of course, Bush's grades in college were mediocre at best, and his SAT scores sub-par.


And the Hollyweird crowd's college grades and SAT scores are...

Non-existent.

[Monkeyleg]

Vladimir, on GW's intelligence:

>>"This guy is very smart," said Lanny J. Davis, a former special counsel to President Clinton and a supporter of Al Gore, as well as a fraternity brother of Mr. Bush at Yale. "This notion of lightness is totally missing the point. There are many smart people, intellectually smart as well as street smart, who don't have the energy or motivation at times to act smart, but that doesn't mean they're not smart. There are times when George coasted through Yale courses or through exams or seemed overly facetious. But don't mistake that for not being intellectually acute._<<

My own IQ, measured when I was in high school, was 147. My SAT scores were somewhere in the mid-1300's to 1400.

And look where I am today. :rolleyes:

Scholastics are only part of the equation.

[Drjones]

Of course, Bush's grades in college were mediocre at best, and his SAT scores sub-par.

*sigh*

Again with the fact that 99% of all anti-war people are just anti-Bush.

:rolleyes:

Einstein got horrific grades as a child, (didn't they think he was retarded too? I thought he didn't even speak until 4 or 5...)

You're right, Vlad, I'll take a bunch of highschool dropouts over a man educated at Harvard and Yale anyday.

:rolleyes:

[DeltaElite]

I fixed the error. Guess my IQ is not so hot today. :D

An IQ of 126 sure is alot higher than most peoples and grades don't really mean much. After all, college is a game, achievements in the real world are far more important than grades and sat scores.
My sister in law has a masters degree, but can't pump gas without a checklist, so education has nothing in common with intelligence.

[Vladimir Berkov]

The topic of this thread was supposed to be intelligence, not "work-ethic," etc.

And the record clearly shows that Bush is either of average intelligence, or simply didn't bother to work or try hard in college.

Since there is no other way to assess his intelligence, you have to accept either of those conclusions.

[CZ-75]

I'm sorry, but Bush is still above average from all accounts we've received about his psychometrics. :rolleyes:

[Drjones]

Isn't there a quote by Aristotle that says something to the effect of "The wisest are wise enough to not run for office" ?

[Blackhawk]

Thanks for posting that old article, CZ-75. It reinforced old knowledge. :D

[Quartus]

is either of average intelligence, or simply didn't bother to work or try hard in college.


Okay, that still puts him head and shoulders above the Hollyweird crowd.


Of course, so is the average poodle. :D

[Blackhawk]

And the record clearly shows that Bush is either of average intelligence, or simply didn't bother to work or try hard in college.
You say "simply didn't bother to work or try hard" as though there's something wrong with that.

I had a couple of tremendous distractions during my undergraduate university tour: a full time job and the burgeoning Vietnam War. I also got mediocre grades due to not bothering to work hard enough to master lower priority material.

After participating in that war, my priorities were different and I went back for a 3 year university tour. Aced ALL the cources, 4.0 and sllightly mad because the 3 A+ course final grades didn't get any extra respect.

Some people let others set their priorities while others set their own. Academic performance is a poor indicator of a person's intelligence or common sense.... :neener:

[ahenry]

Who Is Smarter - The Anti-War Actors or The Administration?
Who cares? I’m more interested in who is right.*



*Although its nice to know which group has more brain power operating on a regular basis.

[firestar]

Who is Jessica Lange? Is that the old lady from Murder She Wrote ? :D



http://members.aol.com/meow103476/murder.html

[DeltaElite]

My grades suffered in college due to this annoying thing called a job.
I paid my way through school, no free ride or funding from mommy and daddy. :(
Some people don't mature emotionally or intellectually until later in life, I am still awaiting my maturation. :D

[StuporDave]

Condoleezza Rice is a damned impressive human being. Wow!

[schmo]

This thread would be more effective if there weren't so many highly degreed politically active university professor sheltered princess morons.

[Blackhawk]

Likewise, DeltaElite, likewise! :neener:

[David Park]

If I'm not mistaken, SAT scores range from 200 to 800 on each section (400 to 1600 combined). That makes the "average" score 1000, if the test is designed to fit a bell curve. A score of 1206 is definitely well above average, even if it's not at "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" level. :)

[Vladimir Berkov]

You say "simply didn't bother to work or try hard" as though there's something wrong with that.

I had a couple of tremendous distractions during my undergraduate university tour: a full time job and the burgeoning Vietnam War. I also got mediocre grades due to not bothering to work hard enough to master lower priority material.

After participating in that war, my priorities were different and I went back for a 3 year university tour. Aced ALL the cources, 4.0 and sllightly mad because the 3 A+ course final grades didn't get any extra respect.

Some people let others set their priorities while others set their own. Academic performance is a poor indicator of a person's intelligence or common sense....

I don't think Bush was distracted by serving in Vietnam, nor did he have to work a full time job. In fact, I don't think he worked at all.

There is no real excuse for his mediocre grades then. And yes, I think academic performance is a good indicator of both intelligence and common sense. People common sense know that performing well at school is very important, at least for the vast majority of people. There are exceptions to every rule, but I wouldn't count on slacking off and getting ahead in life.

[Vladimir Berkov]

If I'm not mistaken, SAT scores range from 200 to 800 on each section (400 to 1600 combined). That makes the "average" score 1000, if the test is designed to fit a bell curve. A score of 1206 is definitely well above average, even if it's not at "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" level.



I wouldn't call 1206 "well above average," in any useful sense. Since such a score is FAR lower than is normal for acceptance at a top university. (unless you are a minority)

[TallPine]

Okay, Vlad, so tell us all about Al Gore's stellar college career ...


And, yes - Bill Clinton is a genius - but he can't figure out how to keep his zipper closed.

:neener:

[Vladimir Berkov]

Al Gore beat Bush only slightly, I believe, which isn't much of an accomplishment, obviously...

[Quartus]

Delta:
I am still awaiting my maturation.

Blackhawk:

Likewise, DeltaElite, likewise! :neener:


We know, guys, we know! :neener:


:D



Hmmmm. Mediocre grades at Harvard.


WOW! What a put down! :what:

[TallPine]

Al Gore beat Bush only slightly, I believe, which isn't much of an accomplishment, obviously...

So where did Gore go to college? What advanced degrees does he have?

Too bad Gore wasn't elected, so all the people in Hollywood could talk about how stupid HE is.

Gore wasn't even smart enough to "steal the election" :neener:

[DeltaElite]

There is a necessary balance between intellect, education and common sense to be truly successful.
Some people have an abundance of one and a complete absence of some.
Some get a balance of all three. Some people don't get any of the three. :)

Bush has a decent balance and the best staff ever assembled.

Belittle him all you want, but he is doing what needs to be done to protect us all and hopefully someday you will have the decency to thank him for protecting you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Quartus,
I am wounded, deeply wounded. :neener:

Of course, what I have seen of the adult world sucks, so I am in no hurry to mature. :D

[Quartus]

:D

[twoblink]

Hmm...

I place very little on scholastics..

Bill Gates, and Michael Dell both dropped out of college..

They seem to know more about business and marketing then most men in the world sans Buffet... As much as I hate both (Bill produces a sub-par product, Dell is anti gun) I respect their business capabilities...

That said.

Hollywood and morons is like chicken and rice; PB & J, etc... They just go together like a horse and carriage.

[Blackhawk]

I wouldn't call 1206 "well above average," in any useful sense. Since such a score is FAR lower than is normal for acceptance at a top university. (unless you are a minority)Vlad, have you converted a 1965 SAT score of 1206 to what it would be in 1995?

You make me wonder if you're not one of those who thinks important stuff is taught in undergraduate school. :D

[Vladimir Berkov]

Belittle him all you want, but he is doing what needs to be done to protect us all and hopefully someday you will have the decency to thank him for protecting you.

That will never happen. I can never thank a man who has personally done so much damage to American liberty.

[DeltaElite]

Vladimir Berkov | This person is on your Ignore List

Why does Vlad post the same thing in every post? :neener:

Very redundant and not very imformative. :D

Did GT finally give him the boot, so he comes here to "enlighten" us? :p

[ahadams]

ack! I did postgrad work at Catholic U. (93-95 "abd" in Ed Psych and with a buck that'll get me a cup of coffee) and they sure had their fair of flakes but I didn't realized they'd turned out a loser like Lange! argh!

I would submit that the attacks on President Bush's perceived intelligence are based on two things: first off, if anyone has ever worked with folks from Texas (and I have) you'll find that *some* of them, especially when working around folks with 'northern' accents (I had come more or less straight from Wisconsin at that time - but we don't have any accent hey?) will intentionally undersell their (Texans) own intelligence as a defense mechanism. Then when they intellectually outmaneuver you, they can sit there and try hard not to grin while you stand there staring like a pole axed steer.

Secondly and more importantly, remember that all of these leftists label themselves as "progressives". The implication here is they are leading the way to a better world and everyone else will eventually catch on to their superior belief system and trundle along behind. Thus from the perspective of the "progressives" everyone who disagrees with them is either stupid or evil...or both.

The ongoing shock and denial among the left concerning the success of FNC, Rush, and the other conservative nontraditional media (including FREEP and this place) is due to the fact that it conclusively proves we're going in a totally different direction from them, but by their rigid world view that's impossible.

[4570Rick]

To the hollywierd talking heads;

It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then open it and remove all doubt.:neener:

[CampX]

Ya, and all the cocaine he snorted definitely made him smarter.....he's a certifiable MO-ROOOOON. And a damned dangerous one at that.

[CZ-75]

I can never thank a man who has personally done so much damage to American liberty.

Funny, since many of those ideas started out in the Klinton admin.

[Monkeyleg]

Plus, Clinton molested young boys.

Can I prove that statement? No. But all I have to do is repeat it here if presented with a rebuttal argument.

"GW is an idiot because Dan Rather told me so." Repeat as often as necessary to bolster your position.

[Joe Gunns]

Actors - people who spend their lives pretending to be somebodies else.

Politicians - people who spend their lives pretending to believe things they don't.

Academics - people who spend their lives studying very narrow, often esoteric, specialties.

Why does anyone take anything people in these professions say about the real world seriously?

***

SAT PSAT GRE scores are irrelevant save as filters on those seeking higher education. Bottom line is: Did person get into college? IF so, puts him/her in top 30% of population. Did person graduate college? Put him/her in top 20% of population. Did person earn advanced degree? Puts him/her in top 7% of population. (Those percents are approximate, it has been a while since I read the figures.) College grades do not correlate with post-graduate career success, there is a demonstrated correlation between educational LEVEL and career success, in non-entertainment fields.

Fixation on how one politician or another compares in test scores, grades, IQ or University of graduation is like a little kid saying, "my-dad's-smarter-than-your-dad." It makes you feel superior, even if you're not. None of these factors has been shown to be a predictor of ability to manage the presidency.

The comparison made in the article of not only the educational levels, but also the direct experience of the two groups in world affairs is relevant in judging the probability that each group can understand the complexity of foreign affairs.

Joe

[Vladimir Berkov]

Funny, since many of those ideas started out in the Klinton admin.

Hey, I never said Clinton was better.

[ahadams]

Why does anyone take anything people in these professions say about the real world seriously?

Joe Gunns - because up until recently they controled the vast majority of the media. In fact they're still trying to deal with the fact (true all along, but they've just discovered it) that many of us don't give a flying fig (got that one Oleg?) about what they think. That's why they're fighting so hard against homeschooling, private schools, gun rights and the like.

[CZ-75]

Hey, I never said Clinton was better.

That's one thing we can agree on.

[Joe Gunns]

Mr. Adams, yup, that is true. They are used to being taken seriously by other media mavens. Doesn't mean real folks need to do so.:)

[Blackhawk]

Joe Gunns said: The comparison made in the article of not only the educational levels, but also the direct experience of the two groups in world affairs is relevant in judging the probability that each group can understand the complexity of foreign affairs.
Your whole post this was excerpted from was very well said, Joe! :D

[Drjones]

I would submit that the attacks on President Bush's perceived intelligence are based on two things: first off, if anyone has ever worked with folks from Texas (and I have) you'll find that *some* of them, especially when working around folks with 'northern' accents (I had come more or less straight from Wisconsin at that time - but we don't have any accent hey?) will intentionally undersell their (Texans) own intelligence as a defense mechanism. Then when they intellectually outmaneuver you, they can sit there and try hard not to grin while you stand there staring like a pole axed steer

:D :D :D :D :D

LOL!!!!

[DeltaElite]

Wow CampX, did you think up that entire post all by yourself?
You are an intellectual wasteland. :neener:

[Joe Demko]

Who cares whether George W. Bush and his staff are smarter than any given group of entertainers? Is George smarter than Charlton Heston? Is George Smarter than John Wayne? Is George smarter than Tom Selleck? Is George smarter than Ted Nugent? Is George smarter than Peewee Herman? Is George smarter than Ron Jeremy? Is George smarter than...The fascination with entertainment celebrities remains one of the oozing wounds in American society. Left and Right are equally guilty, though not in precisely the same ways.

[Quartus]

Did person graduate college?


And if you recognize that the CORRECT usage is: " Did person graduate from college?", I'd venture to guess you are in the top 1%. At least in English grammar.


Oh, the dumbing down of America! :(

[Pendragon]

Einstein got horrible grades because regular school is not designed to deal with divergent thinkers and the top minds.

Public school is designed to deal with most people - but many brilliant young people are turned off by learning by rote, the slow pace and the extremely linear approach.

A lot of these kids get labled ADD/ADHD because they get bored easily and cannot deal with the traditional school structure - so we try and drug them up or punish them to make them "be like other kids".

Within that group of the most brilliant, some are able to adapt and do what is required, some just flounder and wallow in frustration.

Only dumb people try and classify someone according to some arbitrary standard and they do it to their own extreme peril.

I took the IQ tests and all the standardized tests - what does it mean? Smartness does not make you money on it's own.

Comparing yourself to other people folly. In the dot.com hey days, I was making a lot more money than most of the people I knew that had gone to college - I told myself that that was a good pragmatic measure - but I was wrong.

You should compare your accomplishments to your talent and see if you making the most of what you are given.

Thats the problem with public school - there is a very low ceiling on what you can accomplish and measure - it teaches kids to work to the level of their peers, not work to the level they are capable of.

Anyway - Dubya has been getting these people to misunderestimate him for years - I think it is intentional and it warms the depths of my heart.

[ReadyontheRight]

You should compare your accomplishments to your talent and see if you making the most of what you are given.

Hear hear Pendragon.

The original post still points out that the lefty celebs who constantly criticize Republicans (but remain eerily silent when Democrats launch military action) have not studied history and lack the capacity or motivation to do more than ACT in certain ways to keep themselves in the spotlight.

An actor needs to start worrying when they are no longer getting press -- it doesn't really matter if it's good or bad. Michael Moore has rejuvinated his career precisely because we are all so upset. We need to respond to these idiots with a big, big yawn.:o

By the way, those who speak out against the war aren't brave. The brave folks are the ones who fought (and still fight in Iraq) to allow others to speak their mind without arrest, torture and death.

[Ala Dan]

The Administration, by far!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Zander]

Hey, I never said Clinton was better.But you are more than willing to suggest that Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore was or is.

Albert A. Gore, Jr. [yes, Al is a true 'junior'] was raised in a hotel suite in Washington, DC; attended one of the most elite private schools for his high-school "education" and entered an Ivy League university [at the behest of his senator father] for his undergrad education. He went to Viet-Nam for a distinctly-shortened "tour of duty" as a "journalist" but left to return stateside to enter Vanderbilt's Divinity School...where he promptly, and quite spectactularly, flunked out. I take particular umbrage that Gore is a Tennessean. He's no more a Tennessean than starlings or English sparrows are native species.

How anyone can pretend to compare Gore [whose most famous moment of his military service was a photo of him staring down the barrel of his M-16] with a Harvard MBA who was an accomplished F-106 jet-fighter pilot is beyond me.

But then, there's no accounting for the sheer hatred of Dubya and his accomplishments. He's a leader in the truest sense of the word and I long ago gave up trying to fathom the depths to which some will plummet to impugn his intellect or his effectiveness. How fortunate we are to have a man of true faith...in his country and in his God.

I shudder to think of the crises we'd be facing if Gore's coterie of legal assassins had succeeded in stealing the 2000 election...

[JitsuGuy]

They're both incorrect.

Government needs a major overhaul.

Hollywood may have the right idea, but it's for the wrong reasons.

Jits