Tee-hee - ACLU gets its knickers in a twist over Minutemen...


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Preacherman
June 21, 2005, 09:15 PM
... because one of their NM directors is a Minuteman! :D

From the Las Cruces Sun (http://www.lcsun-news.com/artman/publish/article_16963.shtml):

ACLU suspends local operations

Steve Ramirez

Jun 21, 2005, 12:01 am

Operations have been suspended for the Las Cruces chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union after state ACLU officials learned that one of its board members, Clifford N. Alford of Organ, also is a leader of a Minutemen group in New Mexico.

“The suspension of the chapter was a technical move to make certain that the Minuteman claiming to be an ACLU chapter board member no longer had authority to act or speak on behalf of the ACLU,” said Gary Mitchell, president of the New Mexico ACLU board of directors. “We will not tolerate racism and vigilantism in the leadership structure of our organization. They (the Minuteman Project) are repugnant to the principles of civil liberties and the mission of the ACLU.”

Alford recently announced that he would lead a group termed the New Mexico Minutemen in patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border between Santa Teresa and Columbus. A second group, aligned with the Minuteman Project and led by a Farmington man, then said it also would begin patrols in New Mexico. The two leaders have since met and reportedly plan to work together.

Peter Simonson, executive director of the New Mexico ACLU, said the suspension was needed because of Alford’s affiliation with the Minuteman Project and the ACLU.

“We denounce both Minutemen efforts and we denounce Clifford Alford,” Simonson said. “The ACLU believes that both of the Minutemen projects are absolutely antithetical to the principles of civil liberties.”

Alford said Monday that state ACLU officials have not talked to him about his affiliation with the Minuteman Project.

“They’ve never talked to me, period, about the views of what we’re trying to do,” Alford said. “They’ve tried character assassination with me, they’ve done all kinds of crazy things.”

Alford denied that the Minuteman Project is involved with racism and vigilantism and added that it is the ACLU that is being narrow-minded.

“They’re not willing to explore what we’re about,” Alford said, referring to the Minutemen. “We’re just trying to do something that’s good for everyone.”

Alford said he has been a member of the ACLU for the past five years and a member of the Las Cruces chapter board of directors for the last three and a half years.

“I was secretary until the last meeting,” Alford said.

According to a news release from ACLU New Mexico, the state board of directors will lift the chapter’s suspension when it agrees to comply with the by-laws, policies and rules of the national ACLU.

“I’ve had lengthy discussions with key members of the southern chapter and I’m confident that we will have that group up and running again in a very short time,” Mitchell said. “Las Cruces has a large number of passionate, committed civil libertarians. The ACLU intends to work with them to protect all people’s civil liberties, regardless of their race, national origin, or immigration status.”

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No_Brakes23
June 21, 2005, 09:42 PM
Oh the Irony!

R.H. Lee
June 21, 2005, 09:45 PM
So much for 'tolerance' and 'diversity'. Hypocrites.

No_Brakes23
June 21, 2005, 09:59 PM
I googled The name Clifford N. Alford, and found this...

http://nassinc.org/bio.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424347/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421435/posts

hmmm

Preacherman
June 21, 2005, 10:06 PM
Nobrakes, I don't think that first link of yours refers to the same Alford - yours is in Louisiana, the one referred to in the news reports is in New Mexico.

No_Brakes23
June 21, 2005, 10:43 PM
http://nassinc.org/index.html

Looks like the New Mexico guy to me.

Dr. Clifford N. Alford, Th.D., D.D.
P.O. Box 339, Organ, NM 88052
505-373-9762
dralford@nassinc.org

Standing Wolf
June 21, 2005, 10:45 PM
We denounce both Minutemen efforts and we denounce Clifford Alford...

I'm sure the A.C.L.U. is sorry it can't send him to a proper communist Chinese-style reeducation center.

PershingRiflesC-7
June 21, 2005, 11:17 PM
Standing Wolf:

My thoughts exactly when I read all the "denouncing" going on there. Sounds like they had a line to step up and "denounce" the guy to make sure everybody knew where they stood.

Standing Wolf
June 22, 2005, 01:15 AM
Anathema! Anathema! Anathema! Anathema! Anathema!

Crosshair
June 22, 2005, 02:35 AM
To: ACLU
From: The world

I don't mean to put down you're organisation, but nobody cares about you anymore. We all think you are fruitcakes. We can't get any rational discussion when you're foaming at the mouth. Please get you're act together, then we will talk.

Sincerley,

The world.

Hawkmoon
June 22, 2005, 03:01 AM
According to a news release from ACLU New Mexico, the state board of directors will lift the chapter’s suspension when it agrees to comply with the by-laws, policies and rules of the national ACLU.
Has anyone seen any reference to exactly which of their by-laws, policies and rules they feel are being violated by having a Director who is also involved in (gasp!) protecting our national sovreignty?

Brett Bellmore
June 22, 2005, 08:33 AM
Probably the boilerplate, "Must do nothing to bring discredit to the organization" foorah that everybody includes in their bylaws so that they can bounce anyone who does something they don't like, but never thought to explicitly prohibit.

That's why it's probably not even possible to reform the ACLU by working from within it, at this late date. They're only pretending to be a membership based organization these days, any dissent is ruthlessly crushed.

Not that that sort of thing is unheard of on our side of the fence, of course, as anyone who was involved in MCRGO can testify to. :cuss:

buzz_knox
June 22, 2005, 09:22 AM
Now, where are those ACLU apologists who always defend it as a great and noble organization standing up for individual rights? Hmm? Where you all at, now that it is standing firmly against freedom of assembly and speech?

El Tejon
June 22, 2005, 09:50 AM
"Denounce"? Geez, it's like I'm back in grad skul studying the USSR in the 1930s! :uhoh:

ACLU=rights for me, not for thee!

HankB
June 22, 2005, 09:53 AM
Sounds like the ACLU has no tolerance for diversity - their credo seems to be CONFORM - CONFORM - CONFORM.

Hmmm . . . I wonder if they'll also suspend any member who has the audacity to be part of a neighborhood watch? I mean, that's essentially what the Minutemen actually ARE, right, when they "Observe and Report?"

dolanp
June 22, 2005, 09:55 AM
Well I'm not going to completely jump on the bandwagon and say the ACLU is worthless. I do think they do a lot of valuable things to protect our (yes OUR) rights as well. They have the wrong stance on the 2nd, no doubt, and this immigration stance is most disappointing at best. I don't think the organization is a total lost cause but for the life of me I do not understand how they come to the perspective that allowing illegals over here in droves unchecked has anything to do with 'civil rights'. Their problem is their pandering to minorities which is making them see this as a White vs Mexican thing or something ridiculous like that. We the citizens of the United States oppose ANY illegal immigrants regardless of their skin color, race, nationality, or any other superfluous factor.

Brett Bellmore
June 22, 2005, 10:03 AM
Well, their position on the 2nd amendment IS kind of at the heart of it, in a way. Way back when, they had to make a decision whether they were going to be honest about what the 2nd amendment meant, and defend the entire Bill of Rights, or were going to lie about what it meant, in order to suck up to the left.

They blinked, and decided to lie.

Once you decide to compromise your principles, each subsequent compromise becomes easier. And, of course, having people continually point out to you your hipocrisy is painful, so you start shutting them up.

So eventually we got to the current ACLU, that's run from the top in a tyrannical fashion to silence any internal dissent, and when push comes to shove, typically upholds leftist principles over genuine civil liberties.

Lone_Gunman
June 22, 2005, 10:06 AM
So Bush and the ACLU agree on the issue of the Minutemen.

Bush also called them vigilantes.

Sometimes its hard to tell who the liberals are.

Mad Man
June 22, 2005, 11:50 AM
The New Mexico chapter of the ACLU is a bunch of hypocrites??!!

This guy (http://www.peeniewallie.com/documents/ACLU-NM-2004-02-18-PW.html) noted that a year ago, when the New Mexico ACLU was opposing breathalyzer-locks in cars.

UPDATE: Link fixed.

Texian Pistolero
June 22, 2005, 12:07 PM
Gee, just as I was about to write them a check!

Nightfall
June 22, 2005, 11:35 PM
I guess the ACLU is just too busy making sure our borders leak like a sieve to defend our right to keep and bear arms. I always wondered why they chose to ignore that part of the BoR. :banghead:

Clean97GTI
June 22, 2005, 11:54 PM
Taken from the ACLU's website.

What is the ACLU’s position on gun control?
The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons, nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration. For more information, please read our statement on gun control.

statement refferenced above.

BACKGROUND
The ACLU has often been criticized for "ignoring the Second Amendment" and refusing to fight for the individual's right to own a gun or other weapons. This issue, however, has not been ignored by the ACLU. The national board has in fact debated and discussed the civil liberties aspects of the Second Amendment many times.

We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration.

...snipped for brevity.

go ahead and read...it only gets worse.
http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9621&c=25

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