My First .41 Magnum


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FPrice
June 25, 2005, 06:17 PM
My local dealer is becoming a hazard to my wallet. Went it yesterday and saw what I thought was a 4" Model 29. Turned out to be a Model 57-1 in beautiful shape (about 1987 vintage). Of course it followed me home.

This is the first .41 Magnum I can recall seeing around here in years. And right in S&W's backyard!

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Tijeras_Slim
June 25, 2005, 06:35 PM
Nice!

I finally drank the kool-aid this year too, got a 6" nickel 57. Great gun.

steveno
June 25, 2005, 07:58 PM
the 4 inch M-57 is one of the best all around revolvers ever made. mine was made in 1987 also

Standing Wolf
June 25, 2005, 08:43 PM
When I find the right .41 magnum, I'll snap it up in half a heart beat.

medmo
June 26, 2005, 03:23 AM
Has anyone seen a real live Model 58? It is a 4"bbl with fixed sights that was originally intended for LE. I have been looking for years and haven't come close.

Nice pic, nice gun, congrat's on the find.

Richard
June 26, 2005, 07:05 AM
You bought a very nice revolver. When you shoot yours you will know why people love the 41, it's recoil is more like a 44 Special than a 44 Mag. Regards, Richard :D

This is my M58 with Herrett Jordan Trooper Grips:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid142/p5abd6cc8f91b24ced92bb896dde73a48/f6be19e1.jpg

FPrice
June 26, 2005, 07:22 AM
Thanks for all the replies. My next task will be to find an inexpensive source of .41 ammo, which is also rare around here.

Taking up reloading again seems better and better.

Iggy
June 26, 2005, 08:01 AM
I bought a Mdl 58 41 Mag NIB in 1966 for $81.00 It is still the only gun I would absolutely not sell..

Reloading is the best option. You can tune them the way you like them..

medmo
June 26, 2005, 01:46 PM
Reloading is the way to go for 41 mag's. There isn't a huge variety of ammo selection out there and it is a bit on the pricey side. It is fun to work up a load. My Ruger Blackhawk really likes the 210gr Speer Gold Dot HP over 21.5 grains of H110.

Nice M58 pic's, thanks.

chaim
June 26, 2005, 04:22 PM
Hmmm, S&W 57. My 6" S&W 57 (made the first year they were made) is my favorite gun. The .41mag has even edged out .357 as my favorite caliber (edged out isn't the right word- there is a huge chasm between the .41mag and everything else). I will never part with my M57. I would like a 4" though, and a Taurus Tracker, and another 6" that isn't in such good shape (for woods use) and an M58, and..... :evil:

dinosaur
June 26, 2005, 04:43 PM
[quote]Has anyone seen a real live Model 58? It is a 4"bbl with fixed sights that was originally intended for LE. I have been looking for years and haven't come close.[/iquote]

Very hard to find as Smith only made maybe 20,000 of them. The less popular when new the rarer and more popular they become.

AFA Model 57s being rare I have 4 of them and for awhile I was stumbling over them every time I went to a gun related function. Go figure.

41 Redhawk
June 26, 2005, 05:58 PM
My next task will be to find an inexpensive source of .41 ammo, which is also rare around here.

That is rare everywhere. Inexpensive 41 shooting almost requires handloading.

Beautiful gun! Color me green with envy! :D

Ala Dan
June 26, 2005, 06:07 PM
What a beautiful weapon there Frosty my friend. Congrat's on a
great find~ :D

As I have posted many times before, that is the exact weapon I grew
up on; as far as magnum caliber's go. Hold on to it tight, as many will
come and offer you great sums of $$$$ for it~ Enjoy! :)

41mag
June 26, 2005, 08:40 PM
*sigh* Beautiful gun & a nice find!!

schromf
June 27, 2005, 04:27 PM
Has anyone seen a real live Model 58? It is a 4"bbl with fixed sights that was originally intended for LE.

Bought mine new years ago, probably my favorite pistol of all time:
Anyway I have posted these before, my 41 Mags:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/137369.jpg

Edit: it is just about manditory to reload the 41 mag, unless you got some serious deep pockets.

happy old sailor
June 27, 2005, 05:32 PM
my 6" 657 is my favorite gun of all time. although Frosty does make my heart sing.

do the reloading thing. only way to shoot the .41 all you want. with my three .41s, it is about SOP to go through 200 rounds per trip. i would shoot more, but i have other guns waiting in the bag mumbling to each other. like having two dogs and trying to pet just one. aint gonna happen.

Kestrel
June 27, 2005, 05:33 PM
Frosty,

Beautiful gun!

Steve

Matthew748
June 27, 2005, 07:15 PM
Lucky guy. That sure is a nice looking revolver. I have been on the prowl for a nice .41 mag, so far I have not had much luck finding anything that appeals to me.

Ala Dan
June 27, 2005, 11:21 PM
Hey Frosty My Friend

We have a NIB S&W model 357PD* .41 Magnum for sale. :uhoh: Only
problem is, it hasn't been priced as we speak~ :( :D

FootNote: Its a scandium 4" model, if that helps?

Bullet
June 27, 2005, 11:34 PM
FPrice
Really looks great!

medmo Quote – “Has anyone seen a real live Model 58? It is a 4"bbl with fixed sights that was originally intended for LE. I have been looking for years and haven't come close.”

Is this what your looking for?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=33853910

caz223
June 28, 2005, 07:38 AM
*cough*
Too rich for my blood.
Nice M57, I would be proud to own one like that.

FPrice
June 28, 2005, 08:43 AM
We have a NIB S&W model 357PD* .41 Magnum for sale.

Thanks but my wallet is bare enough already! :uhoh:

22-rimfire
June 28, 2005, 09:30 PM
I have several Model 57's. I'm still saving brass for the day that I start reloading it. Ammunition is just a tad more than 44 magnum stuff. Last I bought was from Cheaper than Dirt. Heard that I could have saved a couple dollars elsewhere, but they have free shipping for purchases over $150.... Just keep adding boxes of 41 magnum until you hit the $150 mark.

I find 41 magnum ammunition in most of the better gun shops. I usually buy a box about everytime I visit and build up an available supply to shoot. Reloading? It depends on how much you shoot. Eventually, I will reload the round. I would prefer a lower powered loading for more casual shooting such as was introduced back in the 60's for police use.

rick_reno
June 28, 2005, 09:47 PM
I'm curious - how does the 41 mag compare with the 44 mag? Looks interesting.

Ala Dan
June 28, 2005, 10:23 PM
Greeting's Rick

I found the S&W .41 magnum round to be flatter shooting than the .44
magnum, over long distances from between 50 to 100 yards. Recoil and
muzzle blast are 'bout 75% of that from a .44 magnum.

When I handloaded the .41 magnum way back in late '72 thru about 75,
I used Winchester's 630P ball powder; which pushed a 170 grain Sierra
jacketed hollow cavity bullet along at an advertised 1350 fps. It lit up
the woods during low light conditions pretty well, but was manageable.

george_co
June 29, 2005, 11:48 AM
I have two .41's a 6" 57 & 4" 58. Having shot them fairly frequently, I doubt that I am man enough to shoot a .41 out of a 23 or 27 oz (I have read both numbers) .41. Has anyone shot one of these new light weight .41's?

I would think that they would be hard to control for multiple shots.

41 Redhawk
June 29, 2005, 12:53 PM
I had a Taurus Tracker in titanium. I believe it is in the 24 to 28 oz range. With the porting and ribber grips, I did not find it unbearable. It certainly was snappier than my 7.5 Redhawk but not much worse than a 357 steel snubby.

Elmer
June 29, 2005, 12:59 PM
Has anyone seen a real live Model 58? It is a 4"bbl with fixed sights that was originally intended for LE. I have been looking for years and haven't come close.

I have 3 of them! Two 4 inchers and a 3" San Francisco PD marked gun that was shortened for plainclothes use. SFPD issued the model 58 shortly after it's introduction.

And I don't even like the .41 mag all that much!

That gunbroker gun at 995.00 is probably a mite ambitiously priced. On the other hand, mint in the box ones have got to be one of the rarer Smiths you could find, so who knows?

sako_75
June 30, 2005, 04:09 PM
You'll love the 41. I bought a 657 8 years ago and hve almost 10,000 rounds trough it. It is the one gun I take to the range every time I go. In the fall I put a scope on it and deer hunt with it. The speer 220 gr half jacket in front of 20 gr of H110 makes the perfect whitetail load.

Have fun with your new 41

rWt
June 30, 2005, 07:41 PM
Here's another 58

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/rWt/stampside.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/rWt/latchside.jpg

Ala Dan
July 1, 2005, 07:12 AM
Greeting's george co my friend-

In another thread, I stated that I sold the NIB Smith & Wesson model
357PD scandium .41 magnum yesterday afternoon (06-30) for $729.95
+ 9% sales tax. I don't know if the gentleman who bought this firearm
has ever shot a scandium frame weapon or not? He did state that he
owned other Smith .41 magnums, so he ought to expect this weapon
to be somewhat of a beast. :uhoh: :D

Iggy
July 1, 2005, 08:23 AM
I've been shooting a mdl 58 for nearly 40 years..After 50 rounds or so, I know I've been shooting.

I have absolutely no desire to shoot one of those Scandy models for any reason.!!! :eek:

Gentleman Jackson
July 2, 2005, 12:26 AM
Sadly I have noticed that when I go to gun shows or shops with money in pocket I cannot find a 4" Md-57 or 58 and if I have no money they are every where I look.
I have a Blackhawk, but am still looking to replace the S series Md-57 I sold. (seemed like a good idea at the time kids wanted food and all)
I carried the 57 as a duty weapon for awhile on one department that let us carry anything we wanted. LOL Actully myself and one other guy both carried 57 and had ammo interchangability. (Although I told him if he shot up his 18, he sure as heck wasn't gettting mine.)
.41 what the .44mag wants to be

rWt
July 3, 2005, 10:35 AM
What was the police load? I hear it was a 210 gr bullet at around 1,000 fps.

Does anyone produce a round like that today?

If you wanted to make a great defensive load for the .41, which bullet would you use and what velocity would you try to achieve?

Muley Gil
July 7, 2005, 01:03 PM
I found a factory nickel M58 this spring for just a tad over $400.

FPrice
July 7, 2005, 01:20 PM
I fired this pistol this past Monday with the only ammo I could find locally, Federal 210 gr JHP. It was stout to say the least. I need to find a load that is around 1000 fps. Maybe a hardcast lead SWC.

AND a pair of Pachmyer rubber grips. :D

Hammerdown
July 7, 2005, 06:49 PM
Hey frosty:
I like my nickel 57 dash nuthin pretty well. It is a real tight shooter as well. Regards, Hammerdown.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/hammerdown-7/DSCF5096.jpg

michael_aos
February 6, 2006, 11:25 PM
What was the police load? I hear it was a 210 gr bullet at around 1,000 fps.

Does anyone produce a round like that today?

If you wanted to make a great defensive load for the .41, which bullet would you use and what velocity would you try to achieve?

I'd like to hear the answer too. I've been eyeing the Hornady 210gr XTP JHP @ ~850fps for my 357PD.

Mike

gunfan
February 7, 2006, 01:50 PM
What was the police load? I hear it was a 210 gr bullet at around 1,000 fps.

Does anyone produce a round like that today?

If you wanted to make a great defensive load for the .41, which bullet would you use and what velocity would you try to achieve?

I liked the "original police" load for the .41 Remington Magnum (950-1000 fps from a 4" S&W Model 58 barrel. Unfortunately, this will never see production from a large ammunition manufacturer again. The love that LE has for the autoloaders will see to that.

The only way that we will ever see this commercially loaded again is from a "boutique" loaded run. (This means a small ammunition manufacturer). I would like to see it myself, for I am still of the mindset that the "original police load" for the .41 is an excellent compromise in power, penetration and expansion.

Go figure,

Scott

FPrice
February 7, 2006, 02:25 PM
I normally don't care for Nickle finishes that much but I have to admit that yours is one nice-looking revolver!

michael_aos
February 7, 2006, 02:32 PM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/160230_large.jpg

Skipper
February 7, 2006, 05:55 PM
Our local gun shop has a M58 for $250. It is nickel and looks a little rough and it has "extractor problems". Don't really care to get into that, although maybe for $200.
Let my 6'' M57 get away years ago and I'm sorry.

SKIP

RonJon
February 9, 2006, 10:58 AM
Here is my 1977 vintage original factory nickle 6" P&R:
http://webpages.charter.net/ronjon/S&W57rightside.jpg
I paid $390 OTD at a local gunshow a few months ago.
:)
Ron

gunfan
February 10, 2006, 12:41 PM
Here is my 1977 vintage original factory nickle 6" P&R:
http://webpages.charter.net/ronjon/S&W57rightside.jpg
I paid $390 OTD at a local gunshow a few months ago.
:)
Ron

Horse thief!:evil: ;) That's a very nice piece you have... (You're still a horse thief)! :neener: ;) :D

Scott

Logan5
February 10, 2006, 01:34 PM
Nice deal, my blued 58 with a little finish wear set me back $499 before taxes. I haven't seen another one since, so I'm not complaining.

michael_aos
February 10, 2006, 01:37 PM
What do you guys think of the Model 657 Mountain Gun -vs- the Model 57 Mountain Gun?

I could buy a new Model 57 Mountain Gun right now, but I tend to think I've got that "niche" covered with my 357PD.

Or am I going to be kicking myself later for not buying the Model 57 Mountain Gun when I had the chance?

I see S&W isn't cataloging the Model 57 Mountain Gun in 2006.

Mike

22-rimfire
February 10, 2006, 02:46 PM
The 357PD is a totally different 41 mag beast. The Model 57 Mountain Gun is a full sized N-frame and hence handles the recoil much better on the traditional factory loads. It is a limited production firearm. If you like the caliber and don't have a 4" Model 57, I would get it. I have one to shoot. It is my larger caliber woods carry gun. The bluing is very nicely done and the stocks are pretty and functional. You can always look for a used Model 57 in good condition later if you decide not to get this one. But you don't see these Mountain Guns much now for resale. People are buying them and keeping them.

michael_aos
February 10, 2006, 03:00 PM
It is a limited production firearm. If you like the caliber and don't have a 4" Model 57, I would get it. I have one to shoot.

I've got a model 629 Mountain Gun as kind of a counterpoint to the 357PD.

What I'd really like is a model 657 Mountain Gun, but it's even harder to find.

I may swing over and snag that Model 57 Mountain Gun. I think it's $600-something.

http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976611016-1.jpg

Iggy
February 10, 2006, 03:13 PM
Nice deal, my blued 58 with a little finish wear set me back $499 before taxes. I haven't seen another one since, so I'm not complaining.


I paid $81.00 NIB and the dealer threw in a box of shells... Course that was 1966!!

I've still got it.

22-rimfire
February 10, 2006, 05:50 PM
Smith seems to be introducing various limited edition guns per year. I would not be at all surprised to see the 657 Mountain Gun introduced again. I believe they are having success introducing the limited production guns in terms of sales. I believe I paid $580 for my M57 Mountain Gun last year in a gun shop. Personally I like it a lot. I have read threads of people seeing defects in these guns, so I would look over the gun closely even though it is still a new gun. Funny, your photo shows a drag trace on the cylinder. Mine had that too and that bothered me for a brand new gun.

One never seems to be enough after you start shooting them and seeing the accuracy.

michael_aos
February 11, 2006, 02:35 PM
Locally I've found a Model 57 Mountain Gun for $629, a Model 25 Mountain Gun for $629, and a Model 625 Mountain Gun (.45 Colt) for $689.

Decisions, decisions...

Mike

GILROY
February 11, 2006, 08:45 PM
I recently sold a VERY nice blue 58 for $600 no box. That seems to be the going price these days. It is a great collector piece with interesting history, but I could shoot circles around mine with my 57. Since I don't collect anything that I don't enjoy shooting or entertain safe queens, I put the money in a like new Winchester 88 .308 that I ran into. Now that is a collector AND fun to shoot.

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