[QuarterBoreGunner]

Anti aircraft fire and sirens in Bagdad


Maybe their just nervous.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

President's going to do briefing now.

[chaim]

Fox has reported air raid sirens in Bagdad. They are showing AA being fired from the ground.

All the networks have interrupted broadcasting to cover it. NBC is now reporting that the President will be on the air for a statement soon.

Looks like it is on. Let us hope and pray it goes quickly and smoothly with a minimum of casualties on both sides.



New:

While typing this Ari Fleicher just announce "the war is now on" and walked off.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

It's official Ari Fleischer just confirmed it...

President will make a statement at 10:15 est

Godspeed to our soldiers.

[chaim]

Wow, I guess we were both watching TV from our computers. See my thread in Legal and Political, "Sounds like it has started". (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14447)

Moderators: The start of the war is big news, I don't know if you want two threads in two different sections (these will likely become large threads). If not may as well merge them here (more viewings).


All: President will be on at 10:15 (just under 30min)

[dj53]

Unless this is just the prelim with cruise missiles, doesn't it seem a little odd to start this thing in daylight, given our night time advantage?

[ahadams]

http://www.msnbc.com/m/mw/mw.asp?t=V&id=live_video/chan1&sk=live_video&pl=&name=cover&opt=0&cp1=1

that's the live video feed from night vision device with sound...and some idiot sitting there behind the camera - it's been moved since the attack started...

[Blackhawk]

And, here we go...!

[Al in Md]

President Bush to speak to the nation at 10:15pm EST.

[chaim]

Looks like someone posted more or less the same over on General at the same time, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14444

[DeltaElite]

Godspeed to our soldiers and our allies.
Be careful out there.

[rebbryan]

didn't the last gulf war start on a wednesday night?

[DeltaElite]

Godspeed to our soldiers and our allies.
Be careful out there.

[Greg L]

Reports of explosions now.

Of course it could be the sound of the Iraqi Army suddenly going to "condition brown'.

Greg

[cratz2]

So... when do we go to 'Red Alert'?

[Safety First]

we should all pray right now for our soldiers,for their safety,and for this war to end quickly...God Bless our nation and bring our people home safely and quickly....

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Interesting; now they're saying it was a cruise missile strike on a target of opportunity... Mmmmm now what whould that be? Saddam or one of his cronies, disguised in a burka and sneaking out on a camel?

[Chipperman]

Keep your powder dry boys.

[Kahr carrier]

Hopefully it starts and ends fast.

[capt_happypants]

Decapitation. There are reports that U.S. intelligence had some information on a "target of opportunity."

[Pilgrim]

Unless this is just the prelim with cruise missiles, doesn't it seem a little odd to start this thing in daylight, given our night time advantage?

Perhaps it is to give the Iraqi army every opportunity to surrender without getting shot.

[Dan Morris]

Wishing the troop and all of us God Speed.
Vaya con Dios
Dan

[Blackhawk]

Now reporting (Fox News) they were Iraqi leadership targets of opportunity.

[WilderBill]

No daylight, it's 04:00 in Bhagdad.

[AZTOY]

Bush is TALKING on the news.

[Limited10Tom]

If they got Sadam and some of his top officers!
The war may be over.

[Standing Wolf]

This war actually started September 11, 2001.

[MessedUpMike]

Supposed to be "targets of opportunity" against Iraqi leadership, cruise missles and F 17s.
Just found out a few hours ago a good buddy of mike is over there, I guess that's what happens when ya don't write for months.

[Dill]

wouldn't that be something....I'd have to have a drink...or 10

[Tady45]

Well, our long planned "war" against Iraq is under way... I don't know why, but I believe we have opened Pandora's box! Iraq is a weak military power. They never would have been able to hurt the US directly. Our 50 year allies want no part of this. Why? So here we go, the "war" has begun! Are we all going to sleep better tonight?


Larry

[Blackhawk]

Yeah, we know.

You a member of the DLC, by any chance...? :rolleyes: :D

[chaim]

Interesting. MSNBC just reported that "Pentagon sources" are reporting that the target of opportunity was in fact Sadaam Hussein. Apparently they got some good intelligence about his possible whereabouts. Be interesting to see if they got him. If we are lucky, this could be a really short war.

[chaim]

Interesting. MSNBC just reported that "Pentagon sources" are reporting that the target of opportunity was in fact Sadaam Hussein. Apparently they got some good intelligence about his possible whereabouts. Be interesting to see if they got him. If we are lucky, this could be a really short war.

[Tady45]

Actually, the only thing I am a member of is the NRA. Despite the fact that I served my country 25 years ago, give me a worthy opponent, and I will re up if they let me... This tin horn dictator, never caused me to loose any sleep.

[LawDog]

Iraq has an entire country for resources - but they can't hurt the US directly.

Osama bin Laden had to hide in Third World perstholes - heck, he can't hurt the US directly.

Iraq has an entire military at it's disposal - but they can't hurt the US directly.

Osama bin Laden just had his followers - everyone knows he couldn't hurt the US directly.

Iraq has factories, workers, scientists, universities, a technology base - you say they can't hurt the US directly.

Osama bin Laden had to beg, borrow, steal or rent everything. He had to train pilots in the US - at least he couldn't hurt the US directly.

Iraq is a country - it can't hurt the US directly.

Osama bin Laden was a pitiful little leader of a fanatic group - who couldn't hurt the US directly.

Iraq can't hurt the US directly - how much bigger is Iraq compared to al Queda?

Osama bin Laden couldn't hurt the US directly...until he dropped two towers and three thousand people on our heads.

bin Laden has maybe 500 directly committed followers when he caused people to jump to their deaths one hundred stories above concrete rather than burn to death - al Queda on a good day isn't even one Republican Guard platoon.

No direct threat, my fuzzy tail. If Iraq isn't a direct threat, then Osama bin Laden's attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon wasn't a direct threat either.

Let's not open Pandora's Box! Let's just keep minding our own business and maybe, just maybe, Sept 11 Part 2 won't happen.

Let's roll over to have our tummies scratched, and maybe a madman with an army that Osama bin Laden didn't have, and a navy that Osama bin Laden didn't have, and an air Force that Osama bin Laden didn't have, and chemical weapons that Osama bin Laden didn't have, maybe that madman won't blow up something else on American soil.

Pfagh. We tried being nice. We tried diplomacy. We tried sanctions. We didn't open Pandora's Box. The only thing that got us was three thousand dead Americans crashing into New York dirt in a flaming pyre.

LawDog

[CampX]

For the sake of the so-called Free World, a small part of me hopes that maybe, just maybe, it would be a good thing if they decapitated the Iraqi govt. in killing Saddam. If not, I am afraid that in the coming days, mixed in with the burning oilwells would be the smell of burnt flesh and a gentle breeze carrying gases like Sarin and VX. I hope that the coalition forces are safe, as well as the innocent civilians of Iraq. Some people in these forums would love to see all the Middle East nuked and turned to glass, but really, what is the point?
I am more scared of Bush than any backwoods 3rd world country thug, any day. Flame me, call me a troll, whatever...this man is the Antichrist. I hope Bush has a big old heart attack or stroke, soon.

[CZ-75]

You should be scared, CampX.

With such a large chunk of our military overseas, Kanada might be vulnerable to attacks from eskimos and rogue polar bears.

[CampX]

I am an Eskimo.....

[BamBam]

Our 50 year allies want no part of this.
You are misinformed.

[CZ-75]

Fifth columnist. :D

[ahadams]

CampX - that's okay - with the failure of the gun control law up in your area, you're probably more heavily armed than anybody else around...:)

[KMKeller]

LawDog. Well said.

[CampX]

Actually, yes, I am quite well armed.:D
For sake of a bigger argument, this is all about oil. You can swear up and down that oil doesn't have a damned thing to do about this war, but I believe it is the BIGGEST factor. Knocking off Saddam and reshaping Iraq to your liking will give America another solid and reliable source of gas and oil. It's the American way. If ya want something, go take it by force. I can't stand my government, because we just about give it away to the States. How many Americans know this.....94% of the natural gas in the States comes from Kanada, and we have taken over #1 spot in oil exports to you, surpassing Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and others. OIL, it's what makes the world go round......now I can't wait til the day when you are out of fresh, unpolluted drinking water.........that will be the day you declare my PM as a terrorist, and how the regime must be changed. (Although my PM is a bit of a retard).
That brings me to my point, which is this.....how many more countries, ones in which you you don't like their policies, will you go into by force and change the "regime" and set up a puppet government? Only time will tell.
Oh, I'm not really an Eskimo, I just live far enough North to almost count. And they are called Inuit now, not Eskimos.

[Blackhawk]

LawDog, you've got a great way with words, but you lost me with this sentence:The only thing that got us was three thousand dead Americans crashing into New York dirt in a flaming pyre.:confused:

[sm]

Lawdog: Thanks Sir, well stated.

[S_O_Laban]

Well Lawdog, thanks for telling them how I feel. Quite the post! :D

[makdaddy03]

Saddam was on Iraq TV a few minutes ago. Was it him or one of his look a likes?:confused:

[tyme]

To be honest, it didn't quite seem like him.

But who knows. I'm no expert on differentiating the real Saddam from the fakes.

[fallingblock]

You seem to be one of these folks who is confusing their hatred of G.W. with an intelligent position...he's just doing his job (rather well at the moment, it seems).

Calling him 'the Antichrist' or hoping for him to have "the big ole heart attack or stroke soon" just lowers your credibility and does nothing by way of proposing alternatives.

"Intellectually bankrupt" might be an apt analysis for that sort of behavior.

That's a great idea about the water!
What about all those blueberries...y'all don't need all those blueberries:p

[Thumper]

confusing their hatred of G.W. with an intelligent position
:D

Sorry, CampX...Check your history books...this country makes big holes in things when riled.

Face it, Honey...If the U.S. didn't exist and Hussein was your neighbor to the south, he would've made Canada his regular hump long ago.

[Nightcrawler]

Fox News said that broadcast certainly looked like a tape. I thought it was a hoot, watching the old man read from his little legal pad, with his big coke bottles on. I expected something more firey from a madman; perhaps he's getting senile?

We'll see if we see something definately live from Saddam anytime soon. They can tell, often, if it's live or if it's a tape.

[Al Thompson]

We'll never be loved in that part of the world, but at least we have a President who'll make us feared. The last one set the stage for 9/11.

[pax]

Multiple threads merged.

pax

Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country! -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

CNN has live video on tv of heavy anti-aircraft fire in Bagdad.


Wow. Tracers are pretty.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I think the CNN reporter in Bagdad just peeded himself.

Heavy explosions and secondaries in downtown.