Arab news network interested in lack of security on US border


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Desertdog
June 26, 2005, 10:32 PM
Al-Jazeera to look at open U.S. border
Arab news network interested in lack of security
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44987


The Arab TV news network criticized by the new Iraqi government and others for its anti-American bias and willingness to carry the messages of terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, is headed for the U.S.-Mexico border to document how easy it is to enter America illegally.

Al-Jazeera has contacted Minuteman Civil Defense Corps leader Chris Simcox to try to arrange interviews. Simcox, who rejected the request for cooperation with the TV network, says al-Jazeera, seen by millions throughout the Arab world and elsewhere, is producing an hour-long documentary news special on lack of security at the U.S. southern border.

Al-Jazeera reporter Naisser Hssaini mentioned the increase in apprehensions of illegal aliens known as OTMs – other than Mexicans. These foreigners increasingly include Arabs, Muslims and others from the Middle East. The reporter also mentioned his familiarity with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement police of catching and releasing OTMS – particularly those not specifically known to be on any terrorist watch list.

"The group has been denied requests for interviews by Minuteman Civil Defense Corps organizers but they still insist on filming the groups’ activities along with the rest of the media during a July 4th weekend mission near Arivaca, Arizona," said Simcox.

Simcox has contacted the offices of Arizona's two Republican U.S. senators – John McCain and Jon Kyl – to invite them to do interviews with al Jazeera, "so perhaps they can explain to the viewers of this news outlet just how secure America's borders really are."


"The offices of the Arizona members of the United States House of Representatives will also be contacted to alert them to the presence and the intent by the al-Jazeera news crew to film the lack of security along the U.S. border with Mexico," said Simcox. "The office of the Department of Homeland Security will also be notified. The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps also wonders just what DHS would tell al-Jazeera about the condition of our border security."

Simcox also mentioned the U.S. Border Patrol has already been notified.

"Would we allow Japanese or German television to film the unsecured border during World War II?" asked Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair. "These people broadcast to the enemies of America. It's not a news story, it's recon."

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is the citizen border patrol that virtually stopped illegal crossings from Mexico in a highly trafficked area of Arizona. It is now making plans for similar actions in other areas, other states and along the Canadian border.

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Kamicosmos
June 26, 2005, 10:54 PM
Maybe the Minutemen will have them arrested by the Border Patrol? What a great opportunity for the MMP, the BP, even the gov't.


And yes, it is a recon mission. Would be awesome to see the Marines roll up to see what's going on.

I just hope Al-Jazeera stays away from the USA. Car bombs and homicide bombers always seem to blow up in the area when their cameras are rolling...

rick_reno
June 26, 2005, 11:09 PM
President Bush has said he's doing everything he can to keep us protected. I'm sure that includes tighter controls on the southern border.

beerslurpy
June 26, 2005, 11:24 PM
A whole bunch of terrorists coming across the southern border to blow stuff up would make things really ugly for a lot of politicians in the southwest. Especially certain RINOs with presidential ambitions.

kal
June 26, 2005, 11:31 PM
We already have troops in the Middle East so why dont we send some of them on a mission to find Al-jizzera headquarters and liberate them. :evil:

Headless Thompson Gunner
June 27, 2005, 12:58 AM
Maybe now our esteemed leaders will finally take an interest in this problem. Maybe...


Talk about the lax border is becoming increasingly more common here in the states, but how did Al Jezeera hear about it? :uhoh:

RevDisk
June 27, 2005, 01:07 AM
We already have troops in the Middle East so why dont we send some of them on a mission to find Al-jizzera headquarters and liberate them.

So much for freedom of the press, eh? For the record, the US military has accidently killed al Jazeera reporters in the past.

To be fair, they are the closest thing to a 'free press' in the Middle East.


Talk about the lax border is becoming increasingly more common here in the states, but how did Al Jezeera hear about it?

Uh. You're joking, right? Google/Yahoo, Fox/CNN, et al. There is internet access and satellite TV in the Middle East.

Joejojoba111
June 27, 2005, 02:21 AM
Al Jazeera has inredibly huge balls, I don't think that ordinary pants even fit them anymore.

FYI they are despised throughout the middle east, because they purport an alternate viewpoint to the average state-run media of most countries.

FYI they were in favor of the deposition of Saddam Hussein, they even suggest that there are many other leaders of similar characterists that should meet the same fate. Their opposition is mainly to the method and suspicion of alterior motives.

Also, not only have their reporters died, but their pentagon-marked headquarters were attacked simultaneously, one in an office building by tank shells and the other by a-10 precision attack... There was a guy on the roof who actually reported the plane as it dove on him. Almost all of the world's press, even America's, that took that as an offence, because they all sort of stick together...

-The lack of security on the southern border actually is a serious topic, and if their reporting brings about action so much the better. It's being deliberately left open, and I kind of feel that's a bad thing.

-Perhaps the Arabs stand to lose as much as anyone else, for if a second terrorist attack should occur it is widely understood that the country will come under martial law, and retaliatory responses will have no need to be restrained.

-A superpower, nay the worlds 'Hyper-power', The Hegemon of the planet Earth, that refuses to regulate its borders, well that is just a news story no matter where you are.

-And let's face it, if there are terrorists sneaking across the Mexican border - and it's a 99% suer thing that there are - they already know that the border is open and empty.

-I have to support free press that makes some effort at objecivity, even if they say thing I disagree with. Even if they make no effort at objectivity I have to support their right to exist.

-I used to think that the media should refrain from encouraging or espousing violent actions, but it's pretty clear that it is the new norm - you bring on 'guests' who say all sort of things, and then disclaim that you don't support or advocate what they say. Arabs do it, Americans do it, everyone does it now.

garyk/nm
June 27, 2005, 07:38 AM
So much for freedom of the press, eh?
-I have to support free press that makes some effort at objecivity, even if they say thing I disagree with. Even if they make no effort at objectivity I have to support their right to exist.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears that you fellows are advocating applying constitutional freedoms to furriners? Sorry, but those freedoms apply only to Americans, not the mouthpiece of the enemy!
If those loons set foot on American soil, they should be arrested and given a one-way ticket to Gitmo, if not shot on sight. :cuss:

beerslurpy
June 27, 2005, 08:00 AM
The more eggs get broken, the more likely one of them turns into an omlette.

I think that this has more potential to be a good thing than a bad thing. Especially if there is a heavy-handed reaction.

Matthew748
June 27, 2005, 08:06 AM
Maybe this will force the Federal Government to address the situation at the border. No, that would make to much sense.

roo_ster
June 27, 2005, 08:08 AM
AJ purports to be a "free" press...though they are funded by which authoritarian regime in the Persian Gulf?

Sorry, AJ & claiming AJ is part of the "free" press does not pass either the smell test or the test of common sense.

Targeting AJ has about as much moral content as targeting the Nork propaganda ministry during the Korean war.

Make no mistake: this is an attempt to inspire AJ's audience to come to America via our southern border...for purposes that do not include happy cultural exchange.

Derby FALs
June 27, 2005, 08:10 AM
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears that you fellows are advocating applying constitutional freedoms to furriners? Sorry, but those freedoms apply only to Americans, not the mouthpiece of the enemy!

Who gave you rights?

Joejojoba111
June 27, 2005, 08:28 AM
" AJ purports to be a "free" press...though they are funded by which authoritarian regime in the Persian Gulf?

Sorry, AJ & claiming AJ is part of the "free" press does not pass either the smell test or the test of common sense. "

Yea... Umm... Maybe you need to stop watching whatever news network you are watching, becuase I think they might have corrupted your ideas of good reporting...

In the real world asking a very biased and very leading question does not constitute a 'slam dunk' closing argument. Especially since you could easily have answered your own question if you cared to! It's almost like you wanted to say something, without people being able to accuse you of saying it...

longeyes
June 27, 2005, 09:01 AM
We can only watch and wait and try to enjoy this political theater of the absurd.

Who knows, maybe this will start to wake up a few of the sleeping beauties in D.C.?

Yanus
June 27, 2005, 09:42 AM
All it's going to take is one car bomb or suicide bomber in a shopping mall traced back to the border and the "locals" will take care of the problem of illegal immigration...........! Count on it! :)

Yanus

Lennyjoe
June 27, 2005, 10:27 AM
during a July 4th weekend mission near Arivaca, Arizona
Thats right in the heart of my hunting area. Heck, I can show them about 15 different trails to monitor. They will be busy out that way for sure.

Maybe I should put on my camo's and strap on my 10MM and AR and see if I can get on camera.

If they ask what I'm doing out there with an evil assault rifle I will tell them that I am hunting wabbits. :D

Augustwest
June 27, 2005, 11:49 AM
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears that you fellows are advocating applying constitutional freedoms to furriners? Sorry, but those freedoms apply only to Americans

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

What part of that don't you get?

Spreadfire Arms
June 27, 2005, 12:29 PM
kamicosmos wrote:

Maybe the Minutemen will have them arrested by the Border Patrol? What a great opportunity for the MMP, the BP, even the gov't.

i think there is a large assumption here that Al-Jazeera will be in the U.S. illegally if they do show up at all.

i'm almost 100% certain these guys aren't as dumb as they are made out to be and will be here with the full permission of the U.S. Government.

i doubt they would be arrested for filming the MMP.

R.H. Lee
June 27, 2005, 12:32 PM
Quote:
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears that you fellows are advocating applying constitutional freedoms to furriners? Sorry, but those freedoms apply only to Americans




Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...



What part of that don't you get?

The source of the rights is not the issue; without a codification process they don't exist; regardless of their assertion. In the United States, that codification is found in the U.S. Constitution which is neither binding nor applicable on foreign nationals, who may have different views and principles.

Otherwise, you become George Bush, forcing 'democracy' on people who may not want it.

Mr. X
June 27, 2005, 12:38 PM
Personally, I welcome al-Jazeera doing this because I'm certain the terrorists are keenly aware of the border's porosity already. I tend to think that Americans who have their heads firmly inserted in their rectums' about matters of national security and who think the PA and the TSA's strip searches of the elderly and especially attractive females is keeping us "safe," will wake up when they realize that everyone in the ME is going to be watching this on TV, assuming this ever makes the US evening news.

roo_ster
June 27, 2005, 01:01 PM
" AJ purports to be a "free" press...though they are funded by which authoritarian regime in the Persian Gulf?

Sorry, AJ & claiming AJ is part of the "free" press does not pass either the smell test or the test of common sense. "

Yea... Umm... Maybe you need to stop watching whatever news network you are watching, becuase I think they might have corrupted your ideas of good reporting...

That news network would be...none of them. CNN, FOX News, and all the other cable news network television channels are not piped into my house. Oh, I'll read their web sites (among others) and subscribe to numerous RSS feed. That way I can keep abreast of the day's events from diverse sources.

I am hardly alone in my analysis of AJ. My opinion of AJ's bias comes the old-fashioned way: I read their work and read their critics. For example, here is the perspective of some writers native to the region:

The Reaction to 5,000 Members of the Aal-Marra Tribe Being Stripped of Their Qatari Citizenship: Why is Al-Jazeera Silent? (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP90705)

Columnist Muhammad bin Suleiman Al-Uheidab wrote in the Saudi daily Al-Riyadh: "In our Arab media, neutrality is still a dream – moreover, it is a failed dream.

"… [ Al-Jazeera's ] claim that it is a neutral television channel that gives a podium to those with none, and whose motto is to bring 'one opinion [alongside] another opinion' is proven to be a lie… Why doesn't Al-Jazeera give a podium to the Aal-Marra tribe when they cannot find a podium? Why doesn't Al-Jazeera present [the tribe's] opinion… ?!" [13]

Iraqi columnist Daoud Al-Basri wrote on the progressive website www.elaph.com: "... I expected the Al-Jazeera people to take the opportunity, and for Dr. Faisal Al-Qassem, on his fiery program The Opposite Direction, to take the historic opportunity, to enthuse, defend the values of chivalry, help the downtrodden, help the needy, prevent oppression, help the oppressed … and devote a fiery program to Qatar's oppressive move revoking the citizenship of thousands of people…

"Of course, our expectations have turned into a dream only. Al-Jazeera is in no hurry to discuss the affair. What really interests it is occupation, symphonies, songs glorifying the gangs of murder and abduction, like the criminal gang called the Association of Ulema [i.e. the Association of Sunni Scholars of Iraq, which supports the terrorist operations there]… For Al-Jazeera to discuss and shed light on the issue of human rights in Qatar, or on the suffering of foreign citizens or Arabs in Qatar, is an impossible and vain wish … since [in Al-Jazeera's eyes] it is a blatant intervention in Qatar's domestic affairs..." [14]
[13] Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), May 3, 2005.
[14] www.elaph.com, April 13, 2005.



In the real world asking a very biased and very leading question does not constitute a 'slam dunk' closing argument. Especially since you could easily have answered your own question if you cared to!

rhetorical (http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rhetorical&x=0&y=0)
Main Entry: rhe·tor·i·cal
Pronunciation: ri-'tor-i-k&l, -'tär-
Variant(s): also rhe·tor·ic /ri-'tor-ik, -'tär-/
Function: adjective
1 a : of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric b : employed for rhetorical effect; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question>
2 a : given to rhetoric : GRANDILOQUENT b : VERBAL
- rhe·tor·i·cal·ly /-i-k(&-)lE/ adverb

For those without the desire to google it, AJ is a tool of the Qatar gov't, much as the Xinhua News Agency is a tool of the chinese communist party.

It's almost like you wanted to say something, without people being able to accuse you of saying it...

No, I just thought I would use some economy with the writen word and give the reader enough credit to discern my intent. I do not care if anyone accuses me of saying that AJ is the tool of a repressive regime any more than I care if someone accuses me of endorsing the Pythagorean Theorem. Both are supported with fact and logic.

sm
June 27, 2005, 01:12 PM
<sarcasm>

Maybe SCOTUS figures there is more money to be made off training camps for those that wish to harm us than what J. Q Public pays on taxes for his personal property.

Maybe the WoT has a plan - tax the enemies to death once they get here.

<sarcasm off>

WayneConrad
June 27, 2005, 02:22 PM
My prediction:

Bad guy sneaks across border.

Bad guy drives to a non-border state.

Bad guy does something... well, bad.

Government spokesman announces, "If they had traveled by plane, we would have detected the device and stopped the terrorist. As we have just seen, travel by car is a huge, gaping hole in our security. Therefore, effective immediately, Homeland Security will set up checkpoints at all state borders."

I'd love to be wrong about this one.

R.H. Lee
June 27, 2005, 02:25 PM
I think you're right, Wayne. So far, .gov's methods of providing 'security' have been to limit/restrain American's liberties.

Joejojoba111
June 27, 2005, 03:28 PM
You can see that Quatari Gov't has attempted to shut down Al Jazeera on a number of occasions. While we see it as a propagandea machine, the governments of the middle east see it as an independent news agency frightfully beyond their control, subverting their TRULY state-run new agencies.

There's even a documentary involving AJ, called 'Control Room', iirc, gives an inside view of the station. Like, for instance, while the director discredits American foreign policy, he admits his dream would be for his son to grow up there...



---And for securing the border, that's going to happen right after the Arizona governor tells all the border partol agents to get back to work??? Yea, a president who does nothing, a governor who tells his agents NOT to secure the border, the 'looming threat of terrorist attack', and the admission that the country will fall under martial law when the next attack happens. What does this add up to?

El Tejon
June 27, 2005, 03:31 PM
Joe, you nailed it on Allthatjazz television. :D

Reminds me of P.J. O'Rourke writing about being held at AK-47-point listening to Arab yutes yell and scream about the Great Satan and in the next breath say that they will soon be moving the the U.S. to attend dental school in Detroit.

The 13 year old boy, the 21 year old woman. :D

Lennyjoe
June 27, 2005, 05:28 PM
Arizona governor tells all the border partol agents to get back to work

governor who tells his agents
He's a her, but sometimes even we cant tell. :what:

The_Antibubba
June 27, 2005, 09:13 PM
Al-Jezeera might not be as "free" as CNN (so to speak), but it is a darn sight more independent than anything else in that region.

I even have a title for the news piece: El Queda! :uhoh:

Lennyjoe
June 28, 2005, 10:22 AM
They had a segment on the local news about this story and in the end Al-Jaz decided not to show.

They are probably on the South side of the border instead.

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