Feinstein wants AWB renewed....


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fjolnirsson
June 27, 2005, 10:26 PM
Article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3240554)

June 26, 2005, 12:48AM
Expired gun ban still worries some
Sen. Feinstein wants law reborn, despite no proof of increased crime
By DAVID WHITNEY
Mcclatchy News Service

WASHINGTON - It's been 10 months since the federal assault weapons ban expired, and for an idea of what's happened since then, pick up a copy of a gun magazine.
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There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone, with clips holding 30 or 40 cartridges many features that 11 months ago U.S. manufacturers could not include and gun stores could not sell.

"Since the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire, it has been open season for criminals who want the most dangerous types of military-style assault weapons," declared Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who in March introduced legislation to revive the old ban.

Feinstein said the expiration of the ban she fought for in 1994 "will have deadly consequences on the streets of America."

Hard to measure
But has it really made much of a difference? Are the streets less safe?

There is no hard evidence, one way or another.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in sales of assault-style weapons, and the Justice Department has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in their use in crimes.

Gunmakers say their shops are busy, but only because the ban created pent-up demand.

"It's changed our market a bit," said Mark Westrom, president of Armalite, an Illinois company that produces the military-style weapons. But Westrom said the company is not selling anywhere near the volume that many gun-control advocates forecast.

Sandy Abrams, a board member of the National Rifle Association who owns Valley Gun of Baltimore, said he's seen a drop in sales of the guns at his urban store.

"It's not like there was this groundswell of demand," he said. Abrams said manufacturers never stopped making what are commonly called assault weapons. They just made guns that got around the ban.

Even among advocates of gun-control legislation, there is no agreement on whether the expiration of the ban is a disaster in the making, as Feinstein claims, or the quiet death of a law that had no teeth.

Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

What's most disturbing, he said, is that the free-flowing U.S. marketplace for military-style rifles comes as gang violence is reaching horrific levels.

"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."

Hard to enforce
The federal ban outlawed U.S.-built ammunition clips holding more than 10 bullets and a handful of specific models. But mostly it prohibited the manufacture and sale of guns with a combination of specified features, such as a flash suppressor, a folding stock and a bayonet lug.

In the months after the ban's expiration, gun-control advocates took heart that several states began to look at enacting their own laws, patterned after California's, to keep military-style weapons out of gun shops.

Feinstein says there is little support in Congress to strengthen an assault weapons law. So she has reintroduced the old ban on the theory that something is better than nothing. She has the endorsement of many organizations, including police officers associations.
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rick_reno
June 27, 2005, 10:40 PM
This is news?

R.H. Lee
June 27, 2005, 10:46 PM
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.
Yeah, well don't let the facts get in the way of a good tantrum, I always say :rolleyes:

http://home.adelphia.net/~thensley/images/demseal.jpg

Kingcreek
June 27, 2005, 10:50 PM
now THIS is news...
we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips
these people must have no shame

Vernal45
June 27, 2005, 10:52 PM
Feinstein says there is little support in Congress to strengthen an assault weapons law. So she has reintroduced the old ban on the theory that something is better than nothing. She has the endorsement of many organizations, including police officers associations.

:scrutiny:

hkOrion
June 27, 2005, 11:05 PM
Feinstein wants AWB renewed, I want her to go away. Wish in one hand....

Standing Wolf
June 27, 2005, 11:09 PM
Feinstein says there is little support in Congress to strengthen an assault weapons law. So she has reintroduced the old ban on the theory that something is better than nothing.

She can't turn the United States into the Soviet Union, so she'll settle for East Germany if she has to.

Jeff
June 27, 2005, 11:13 PM
"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."


Oh, shut the hell up already.

gc70
June 27, 2005, 11:15 PM
Every member of Congress wants at least one hallmark piece of legislation as their enduring legacy. Unfortunately for her, Feinstein's expired. It's too bad that Feinstein's tenure in Congress hasn't also expired.

Biker
June 27, 2005, 11:24 PM
A looney toon baby for sure. On the other hand, Dubya has stated that we shouldn't be able to own "assault weapons" and he stated that he would sign an AWB if it crossed his desk.
Our system is full of *bad guys* and they're bad regardless of their party affiliation.
Biker :rolleyes:

Justin
June 27, 2005, 11:58 PM
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

Translation: We got nuthin' but we're still going to fight like we actually have something. :rolleyes:

Farnham
June 27, 2005, 11:58 PM
So nobody has ANY statistics showing that evil bayonet lugs and flash hiders have contributed to the decline of Western Society lately? What a surprise...

S/F

Farnham

KriegHund
June 28, 2005, 12:18 AM
I laugh at her feeble attempts.

sm
June 28, 2005, 12:19 AM
Steve' s Dictionary

Assault Weapon :

-Person whom uses lies, deceit , mis-information , mi-interprets the Constitution of these United States.

-Person whom fails to uphold the Constitution of these United States - instead breaks the oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.

-Any medium used to facilate Tyranny.

Therefore in the context of definitons above - yes we should ban assault weapons. Get them out of positions of powers and destroy the very platforms upon which they stand. Be it private or public sector.

Steve

Surefire
June 28, 2005, 12:31 AM
Unfortunately, as soon as the Democrat regain house, senate, and president control, I predict the ABW will be reinstated. Our only hope is to vote the SOBs out of office and prevent them from regaining control.

bjbarron
June 28, 2005, 12:40 AM
Unfortunately, as soon as the Democrat regain house, senate, and president control, I predict the ABW will be reinstated.

Always a serious possibility. Just one more reason not to compromise on anything now. Hopefully everyone who wants an evil assault rifle will have one by then. Turning them in after the fact just ain't gonna cut it.

I'm more of a battle rifle guy myself, but I'd buy one just to piss her off if the AWB was coming back.

beerslurpy
June 28, 2005, 01:12 AM
What makes you think the dems will be taking control anytime soon? And keeping control if they try another ban? Didnt they learn from last time?

Third_Rail
June 28, 2005, 01:19 AM
No. Of course they didn't learn, they're politicians.

beerslurpy
June 28, 2005, 01:34 AM
I wouldnt expect the Bradies to learn from a setback anymore than I would expect Al Queda to.

But there is a difference between a politician and an activist, I think. Something to do with dedication to a set of principles. The Bradies might be a bunch of marxists, but at least they stick to their guns.

I would expect politicians to abandon an ideology that costs them elections. If they really value nanny-state socialism over power than they will have neither.

hifi
June 28, 2005, 02:35 AM
Good luck. Ya old w****

Brett Bellmore
June 28, 2005, 06:12 AM
Every member of Congress wants at least one hallmark piece of legislation as their enduring legacy. Unfortunately for her, Feinstein's expired. It's too bad that Feinstein's tenure in Congress hasn't also expired.

So, you figure if we started calling her other assault on the Constitution "Feingold/McCain", she'd be satisfied to get top billing, and go away?

yorec
June 28, 2005, 06:22 AM
Question: How do losers like this continue winning office election after election? Answer: Some people really are that dumb. :rolleyes:

Fineswine - :neener: :neener:

chopinbloc
June 28, 2005, 06:26 AM
we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips

guess they saw that movie too. i think there was another thread that mentioned how important it is to teach children the difference between real and pretend.

Matthew748
June 28, 2005, 06:44 AM
"Even among advocates of gun-control legislation, there is no agreement on whether the expiration of the ban is a disaster in the making, as Feinstein claims, or the quiet death of a law that had no teeth."

This bit about the original ban being a law with no teeth is what makes me nervous. I believe that the next ban these jokers try will be so vague it will cover just about everything.

grimjaw
June 28, 2005, 08:31 AM
"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."

Um, ***? Do they mean *rubber*?

jmm

Zach S
June 28, 2005, 08:46 AM
Dubya has stated that we shouldn't be able to own "assault weapons" and he stated that he would sign an AWB if it crossed his desk.
Is there something he hasn't signed?

yucaipa
June 28, 2005, 08:54 AM
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

I have an agenda the facts are irrelevant.




"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "

The finishes are "resistant" to the salts and acids that are in your skin when you handle the weapon, they are not "resistant" to the fingerprint.

If the technology of "fingerprint resistant" surfaces was real, why nickel & dime around with guns? Refrigerators, thats were the money would be. ;)

carp killer
June 28, 2005, 09:22 AM
She has the endorsement of many organizations, including police officers associations.

Just who is a member of these organizations and is there anyone here who is a member? :what:

Feinstein is LOVED and SUPPORTED by the people of California, otherwise she wouldn't be constantly voted back in office. :scrutiny:

seed
June 28, 2005, 09:57 AM
Feinstein is LOVED and SUPPORTED by the people of California, otherwise she wouldn't be constantly voted back in office.

She isn't loved by us former U.S. citizens, held captive in **********. Even my mother who hates guns does not like Feinstein. It's just that she would never vote Republican...and neither would I to tell you the truth. Of course the Democrats have been less than attractive to say the least. I pretty much never like my choices I have on election day. But I promise you, I would never vote for that hypocrite b****.

If you think its bad that she is still in office trying to inflict her nonsense upon the country, imagine being stuck in a place where everything she wants passes virtually unimpeded. And it has a lot to do with her influence. So enjoy your AWB sunset, while ********** drifts into a different kind of sunset. It was fun living in the U.S., while it lasted.

GunGoBoom
June 28, 2005, 12:04 PM
It's just a shame that NoCal can't secede as a state unto itself.

Bruce H
June 28, 2005, 01:01 PM
Nice article. It names two people who are consuming recources but who aren't producing any necessary products. Drones are a drag on productive society and need removing at regualr intervals.

JG
June 28, 2005, 07:01 PM
Feinstein wants AWB renewed....

Does a bear s*it in the woods?


Feinstein is an itch that simply will never go away.

gm
June 28, 2005, 08:43 PM
"Since the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire, it has been open season for criminals who want the most dangerous types of military-style assault weapons," declared Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.,

shes seen too many hollywood movies..and the scary thing is, I think she believes it.

seed
June 29, 2005, 09:00 AM
shes seen too many hollywood movies..and the scary thing is, I think she believes it.

I actually doubt it. But see, it doesn't really matter whether or not she believes it. She is a politician and sees personal gain for her ambitions in being known as the prime crusader for her cause. Facts are not important to her. It is only important to her that the majority of voters would rather take her word for it, than openly support 2A (using the facts) out of fear of appearing to be irrational red-neck idiots who want to tote guns everywhere as compensation for their "obvious" inadequacies. It is elitism at its worst.

Anti-2A is nothing more than her signature vehicle in politics which satiates (sp) her appetite to increase her notoriety and bloat her self-importance, both of which (in her mind) insure her strangle-hold on her office. One thing is for sure: it doesn't seem to hurt her politically.

Kharn
June 29, 2005, 10:09 AM
Feinstein wants AWB renewed.... And I want a toilet made of solid gold, but that just isnt going to happen either. :neener:

Kharn

4v50 Gary
June 29, 2005, 10:12 AM
The witch wants it for her political legacy. I'd rather see her made Ambassador to Iraq. :evil: They need Automobile-Improvised Explosive Device control over there and she can legislate the AIEDs out of existence first. Then she'll have to get the camels & motorcycles. Then she'll have to get the bicycles outlawed. Afterwards the PIED (personnel) outlawed. Opps, no one can leave home in Iraq. Just the nanny-state that Feinstein can live with.

MrTuffPaws
June 29, 2005, 12:57 PM
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

That is just scary. How the can someone say that?

Missourigunner
June 29, 2005, 02:07 PM
What else is new. I would be happy if the polis---tcans could define what an Assault Weapon is. It amazes me, that when polys like her claim all of their support from various "Police " Organizations, that when questioned about this so-called organization, no one claims ownership. :fire:

perry1963
June 29, 2005, 02:13 PM
Feinstein is LOVED and SUPPORTED by the people of California, otherwise she wouldn't be constantly voted back in office.

Not everybody, it only takes one vote more to beat the other guy, if 49% don't want you but 51% do the 49% suffer.

Nick1911
June 29, 2005, 02:35 PM
What a load of BS.

If she keeps this up, she'll force me to buy an EBR.
:evil:

Not that I wasn't going to anyway...

Dave R
June 29, 2005, 03:21 PM
There are times when I am ALMOST willing to move back to CA just so I can vote against her one more time.

Spreadfire Arms
June 29, 2005, 03:39 PM
she's one of the biggest elitist politicians i can think of. rumor is she has a CCW but doesn't want commoners to have firearms to protect themselves. :barf:

RavenVT100
June 29, 2005, 03:51 PM
That isn't a rumor, spreadfire. For many years she was one of the only people (if not the only person) with a CCW in the city of San Francisco. Apparently she eventually stopped, but she has made statements in the past that were extremely brazen with regard to carrying. She claims to have been "trained in firearms" but apparently not well enough to keep her finger off the trigger of an AK while sweeping a room with it.

seed
June 30, 2005, 06:07 AM
RavenVT100, did she stop carrying and no longer has a CCW? I've been trying to get that question answered without any success over at TFL. What is the full story on her in regards to this? Does anyone know?

benEzra
June 30, 2005, 11:08 AM
The Bradies might be a bunch of marxists, but at least they stick to their guns.
Our guns, you mean... :banghead:

"That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."
If the reporter had bothered to learn how small the percentage of hunters is to gun-owning nonhunters (about 20% of gun owners are hunters), and of THAT 20% what fraction actually hunts ducks, he would have seen the total and complete irrelevance of that statement...

Since when is your average law-abiding gun owner "your regular duck hunter"?

peacefuljeffrey
June 30, 2005, 11:17 AM
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said ... "Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips."


*** is a "fingerprint-proof resistant grip"?!

Is that a grip that's resistant to being fingerprint-proof? As in, you can't make it resist taking fingerprints?


I see that a number of posters seized on this particular bit of bulls#it, and I was drawn immediately to it as well. This jerkoff is obviously still trying to capitalize on the lies about the Tec-9 being marketed to criminals because its grips were "fingerprint-resistant" or something like that.

So tell me, is there any law that says that gun grips have to keep fingerprints on them, anyway?

-Jeffrey

peacefuljeffrey
June 30, 2005, 11:22 AM
Quote:
Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.



That is just scary. How the can someone say that?

Let 'em say absurdly stupid stuff like that.
Any person of intelligence can see that when a statement like that is made, it's like the guy is admitting that there is no logical basis for his position.

The fact that he just makes s#it up becomes ever more clear.

After all, ANYONE can make a claim, if he is going to purport that he doesn't need any statistical proof of it whatsoever for it to be true! Most intelligent people will recognize that only claims that DO have statistical proof are worth believing.

These anti-gun idiots are just causing themselves to be laughed into irrelevance.

-Jeffrey

Mongo the Mutterer
June 30, 2005, 11:56 AM
Jeffrey, I hope you are right.

Keep in mind that the gun grabbers have the Socialist Mainstream Media behind them to twist their idiocy into propaganda which sounds reasonable to the average person.

They will, as they have in the past, only tell one side of the story.

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