TV firearms: Weapons of Stargate SG-1


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Slater
June 28, 2005, 03:42 PM
I watch "Stargate SG-1" on and off. I noticed that the team (at least in recent times) carry FN P90 personal weapons, which fire the 5.7mm cartridge. If you're fighting unpleasant aliens that wear what appears to be some type of armor, wouldn't an M4 carbine or AK-47 be a little more effective?

What can I say, it's a slow day :D

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Third_Rail
June 28, 2005, 03:45 PM
IIRC, the 5.7x28mm (it IS 28mm, right?) is better at piercing armor than 5.56mm or 7.62x39mm.

MudPuppy
June 28, 2005, 06:39 PM
Yup, the 5.7 is designed to defeat armor and still do nasties to the meat on the other side. Plus, it is very compact, minimal recoil (esp compared to an AK) and 50 rounds available.

The russian team does carry chopped AKs though, AK-74Us, iirc.

Of course, the old 9mm MP-5s the team had originally didn't have any trouble punching through the alien armor. :cool:

Marko Kloos
June 28, 2005, 06:42 PM
They seem to have capable consultants when it comes to weapons handling. They use their tac slings, keep their fingers outside of the trigger guard when not firing, don't sweep each other with their muzzles, and so on.

MilsurpShooter
June 28, 2005, 06:46 PM
Love that show, wonder what they use for armor though that the bullet can go through

White Horseradish
June 28, 2005, 06:55 PM
Well, the jaffa armor is meant to protect against energy weapons, not projectiles, so I can see how the "primitive" P90 would be effective there.

What I wonder is whether the Air Force is as supportive of SG-1 as the Navy was of JAG...

LiquidTension
June 28, 2005, 07:05 PM
Strange that they use the P90 with the Beretta instead of the Five-SeveN. At least with the MP5s they had ammo compatibility. But the P90 just looks cooler :cool:

They used a SAW a few times in Atlantis, along with those nifty rail gun things.

Dr.Rob
June 28, 2005, 08:47 PM
Funny... all that CQB and noone is packing a shotgun? Heck even the Marines in Aliens had a shotgun.

Slater
June 28, 2005, 08:51 PM
Guess a Remington 870 is just not as sexy/futuristic/cool/etc. as a P90 :D

KLR
June 28, 2005, 09:50 PM
White Horseradish:

Two USAF Chiefs of Staff have had cameo roles as themselves. General Jumper most recently and General Michael Ryan before that. From what I have heard, SG-1 is the only show on TV that has full support of one of the services. IIRC JAG was only allowed to shoot on Navy Bases/Facilities. A somewhat lesser level of support.

DR Rob- the USAS-12 shows up whenever they are fighting replicators (robot bugs).

MechAg94
June 28, 2005, 10:26 PM
I think in the first show of the series some jafa guys came through the stargate. The M16's the guards had were ineffective. I think the original movie went off in a similar fashion. I think they made a quick explanation after that of using some sort of armor piercing ammo. If .223 is ineffective, buck shot wouldn't be any better.

Sindawe
June 28, 2005, 11:21 PM
Funny... all that CQB and noone is packing a shotgun? Heck even the Marines in Aliens had a shotgun. There have been a couple of episodes where Teal'c has used a shotgun rather than his staff weapon. Usually when fighting the replicators IIRC.

RyanM
June 28, 2005, 11:43 PM
5.7mm better than .223 at armor piercing? My butt. It's just that the armor piercing capability of 5-7 has been emphasized more, both by FN and CBS.

Steel-cored 31 gr @ 2350 fps vs. steel-tipped 62 gr @ 3050 fps. You do the math.

50 Freak
June 29, 2005, 12:17 AM
You guys must not watch too much SG1. The SPAS-12 and USAS-12 shotguns were used quite extensively against the replicators.

There are also some scenes where the off world teams pack a Barrett 82 semi.

I would love to be a weaons specialist on that show. Even though Dean Anderson (O'Neal) is a rabid anti.

MilsurpShooter
June 29, 2005, 12:58 AM
Rabid Anti, well what would you expect from MacGyver? He never needed a gun lol

4v50 Gary
June 29, 2005, 01:04 AM
I like the FN P90. It's easy to shoot, maintain and to carry. How it fares against alien armor I'm unsure. I never had to shoot an alien yet alone a person. Hopefully I never have to shoot either. I want the alien alive so I can haul it around the country like P. T. Barnum & Bailey Circus. ;)

2nd Amendment
June 29, 2005, 01:14 AM
I had heard(I thought here at THR) that Anderson had backed way off on his anti-gun schtick?

Dr.Rob
June 29, 2005, 01:24 AM
OK cool... they DO use shotguns.

I haven't watched the show as much as many of you... but if I was going in harm's way with armor plated aliens etc... I'd want something with more bark than a P90... maybe a select fire M-14 with a bipod or an HK 91 or FAL...
but only because finding a servicable BAR might be tough.

Black Majik
June 29, 2005, 01:57 AM
eh, I'd just toss a warhead into the portal and call it a day.

Silent-Snail
June 29, 2005, 04:03 AM
Part two of the pilot episode has a USAS-12. It makes occasional showings through the course of the show. It does seem to be the perfered "Replicator Buster."

chevrofreak
June 29, 2005, 07:22 AM
Carter has been using some sort of stubby AR platform with a Beta C and Elcan. Damn, you couldnt pay me to shoot that gun without earplugs.

Marko Kloos
June 29, 2005, 08:31 AM
Interestingly enough, they rigged up the stubby AR for Carter because at one point they were low on the blanks for the FN P-90s.

I read an account by the actress who plays Carter where she describes fighting back the hordes in a battle scene with that AR, when either the floorplate of the mag came loose, or the mag dropped out of the gun entirely. Rounds spilled everywhere, and Tapping says that it felt like a "Stargate Barbie" moment. :D

50 Freak
June 29, 2005, 12:56 PM
A chick shooting a full auto shorty AR is just HOT!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

OldWolf
June 29, 2005, 01:40 PM
I must say SG is my favorite show, I enjoy all the characters, action and stories. The fact that they get their guns and gun safety correct is a big plus in my book.

I wonder why they stick with the Beretta 92 though when most of their long guns are not standard military issue?

Seems like they could throw in a couple 1911's or something. :rolleyes:

Sulaco
June 29, 2005, 01:57 PM
Is that the show with that scary looking black guy? Other than him, I would probably watch it but he is hard on my eyes.

MudPuppy
June 29, 2005, 01:59 PM
I didn't know Anderson was an anti?

His character is a bit anti because his son got ahold of his service pistol and accidentally killed himself. He was a basket case until the SG gave him a new purpose.

greenmountaingear
June 29, 2005, 03:32 PM
His character is a bit anti because his son got ahold of his service pistol and accidentally killed himself.

The underlying anti-gun "conditioning" statement in the show. His kid could have been struck bit a chunk of hail or fell out of his tree house to have the same impact on the show...anti-gun hollywood likes the service pistol line better though :)

HankB
June 29, 2005, 03:54 PM
I always wondered why SG personnel kept shooting COM at armored Jaffa warriors who weren't wearing helmets or head protection . . . I guess the consultants never heard of the Mozambique drill.

I wonder how the new season will work out - they have the gal who played Aeryn on Farscape make a guest appearance last season and knock the Daniel character around a bit, and it looks like she's coming back as a regular. On the coming attractions I see that the guy who played John Creighton on Farscape now seems to have a starring role on SG-1 . . . this bodes ill for the series, since the guy never acted, he always seemed to OVERact in order to compensate for a hangover or a handful of downers . . .

And in the coming attractions for Stargate Atlantis it seems they have a new character . . . from the glimpses I've seen it could be "Rasta-Man" from that DEA video that made the rounds recently. ("I'm the only one professional enough in this room to handle a Glock . . . BANG! Owww!)

Maybe he got a new job . . . :p

MudPuppy
June 29, 2005, 03:58 PM
I don't see them even referring to that in the series--just the movie. Even then, the people took up arms against Ra and overthrew him. No doubt, the show is very 2nd Ammendment friendly! :evil:

MilsurpShooter
June 29, 2005, 04:28 PM
IMO I'm not expecting much from the new season, ever since General Hammond was replaced by the newly promoted Gen. O'Neal the show lost some of it's flair. Now with new characters... well I thought someone would have learned something with the whole new Coke deacle.

chevrofreak
July 11, 2005, 12:40 PM
Seems like they could throw in a couple 1911's or something. :rolleyes:

Or maybe something good, like a Glock or CZ ;)

StopTheGrays
July 11, 2005, 03:27 PM
Quote:
Seems like they could throw in a couple 1911's or something.


Or maybe something good, like a Glock or CZ

Well if they run around with P90s why not use the 5.7 pistol as a side arm?

GEM
July 11, 2005, 03:32 PM
Lots of times they use the Serpent headed Zat ray gun as a side arm.

I've wondered why they haven't reversed engineered staff weapons for long arms. Also, on Atlantis, they have no staff weapons or Zats?

I love Major Carter!1 :D

Crosshair
July 11, 2005, 08:06 PM
This is a quote taken from one of the shows. It may not be exact. SG-1 is helping an alien race fight some enemy. They are invulnerable to the aliens energy weapons, but are easily defeated with SG-1's projectile weapons.

Alien: Such primitive weapons you have.
SG-1: Ya, but they WORK.

/Love that show. :)

VaughnT
July 11, 2005, 10:41 PM
I'm looking forward to the new season. I really like the early Farscape and thought Crichton was very good in the lead role. That chick he was with is super hot and can't help be do good in a new role. I'm curious to see how they weave the Crichton character into the story when it's sooooo close to what he was doing on Farscape.

As to weapons, I get a little bored with the full-auto jive. I mean, really. How many rounds are they carrying?

The best part that I remember was when the Geek wanted to get his hands dirty and O'neil ran him through the reload sequence for the P90. O'neil must have had him do it a dozen times and it leant an air of realism to the show that you just don't see elsewhere.

My perfect SG1? More Carter. More babes, in general. Better team/unit tactics. Big firefights with proper peel-offs. Run a Rolling Thunder or two!

MikeB
July 11, 2005, 10:51 PM
I'm pretty sure the "armor" the Jaffa wear is designed more to be scary and/or traditional than functional. It seems to be ineffective against kinetic or energy weapons.

BeLikeTrey
July 12, 2005, 09:52 AM
but I can't stand the tendency to spray from the hip that he and a couple of other's do. Sam seems to aim her fire however.RichDeanAnderson in ALL the replicator scenes just sprays. YUK. :cuss:

Deadman
July 12, 2005, 10:57 AM
I'm quite certain they've employed the use of M249/para minimi's at times.

GEM
July 12, 2005, 06:08 PM
I do like them shooting down the enemies's aircraft with the P90s. Hell of a gun.

Hkmp5sd
July 12, 2005, 07:46 PM
Just out of curiousity, how can they be using real FN P90s in the post-86 machinegun world?

KriegHund
July 12, 2005, 08:21 PM
Um, because they are a TV show? *edit* sorry if sounded snobby, it was a question rather than an answer*

Its possible somehow.

And yes, Richard dean anderson is anti-gun. Not activly, but ist there :(

Although Teal'c is my favorite character.

Anyways, to the guns!

They use them well, although i too dont understand why they use berettas and not fn57's. Most of the time they actually aim them correctly, and i never see bad trigger handling.

Plus, even when they talk about "his kid shot himself with his gun" they dont press the gun issue, so its not all bad.

Hkmp5sd
July 12, 2005, 08:33 PM
There is no special exemption for the movie industry on this one.

KriegHund
July 12, 2005, 08:35 PM
Thats strange. Im 90% sure they film in the US.

Wonder if google will be of help, although i seriously doubt it.

And the google is a big no helper...

Sindawe
July 12, 2005, 08:47 PM
From the beginning, Stargate SG1 has been filmed at Bridge Studios in Vancouver and has now been joined on the same lot by Stargate Atlantis. Source: http://ourstargate.com/oswooddeluise.shtml

Pretty as the "Colorado" outdoor shots are, it sure ain't Colorado. Too lush.

Phyphor
July 12, 2005, 08:47 PM
...they filmed in Vancouver, (for the outside scenes, anyway, )

as far as the weapons go, I understood that the blank firing P-90s were loaned to them, not actually 'owned' by MGM / the corp. that is making SG-1.

motorep
July 12, 2005, 10:24 PM
The projectile weapons of the Tau'ri have indeed proved most effective against the replicators.

esskay
July 12, 2005, 10:31 PM
Rabid Anti, well what would you expect from MacGyver? He never needed a gun lol

I actually recall an episode of MacGuyver where he did a "PSA" type announcement right after the show blathering about the danger of handguns/gun violence and the need for gun control. I don't remember if they had some dumb plot line supporting that propaganda, but I would imagine they did.

Marko Kloos
July 12, 2005, 10:54 PM
My favorite gun-related scene in Stargate SG-1 is in the episode where the team arms renegade Jaffa with FN P-90s. The Jaffa are hestitant to give up their beloved staff weapons, so Carter and Teal'c do a weapons demo. They hang up a log, let Teal'c blast it with the staff weapon to very little effect...and then Carter cuts loose with a fifty-round burst that shreds the log.

Then Jack holds up a staff weapon and says, "This is a weapon of terror. It is meant to intimidate the enemy."

Holding up a P-90: "This is a weapon of war. It is meant to kill the enemy."

Kaylee
July 12, 2005, 10:54 PM
I don't remember if they had some dumb plot line supporting that propaganda, but I would imagine they did.

One of the few McGuyvers I ever saw, but yes they did. Synopsis, best I can remember years later --

Dude and his son walk into a gun store, ask for a handgun. MacGuyver goes into this episode-long reverie about some childhood friend getting shot playing with a pistol they'd swiped from somebody's dad. When MacGuyver comes out of his dreamy-sequence, gun store dealer says no, thanks to some new law there's a waiting period and Dude can't walk out of the shop with a handgun. So he buys an AR-15 instead. (To show Just How Foolishly Permissive our gun laws are, of course).

Silly pap, but at 10 years old or so I remember being convinced. :rolleyes:

KriegHund
July 13, 2005, 01:04 AM
Thats really a shame taht hes like that. All well i still like the character! I dont think hes a bad guy, just misguided, like alot of other folks, aside from the senators and such.

chevrofreak
July 23, 2005, 10:53 AM
SG-1 is indeed filmed in Canada

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