Give Your Children an Early Inheritance


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RomanKnight
June 28, 2005, 04:34 PM
If we would all do this, the country would be in better shape, and our future in better hands. Read, and pass it along!

Give Your Children an Early Inheritance
by Al Doyle

Don't wait until you're in the grave to give the kids something of real value. I'm not talking about imitating the biblical father who handed over a large sum to his prodigal son. In some cases, this early inheritance can cost less than $100 per child.

How can a parent do this? Buy a child a gun – and take the time to teach how to use it responsibly and safely. When the child turns 18 (rifles and shotguns) or 21 (handguns), it becomes their personal property. There are several reasons for parents to take a proactive role in training kids in this vital skill.

Youngsters and teens in all levels of the government school system are subjected to a constant barrage of anti-gun and anti-Second Amendment propaganda. If a child never experiences the responsibility and pleasure of gun ownership and never gets to use these tools (that's all a gun is when you get right down to basics), their views will be shaped by socialist indoctrinators.

While a parent can spend as much as they want for a gun, literally hundreds of reliable firearms can be obtained for modest prices. In some cases – such as old bolt-action military rifles, .22 rifles, single-shot shotguns and the occasional .22 or .38 Special revolver or East Bloc surplus semi-auto pistols – the price tag can be $150 or less.

Don't worry if limited funds are keeping you out of the AR-15 or customized pistol market. The first rule of gun ownership is to have a gun. You can always upgrade later. When it's crunch time, a basic, reliable weapon in hand beats the photo of the "gonna get it someday" high-priced dream piece. To use an analogy, a real bowl of soup beats an imaginary steak every time.

This isn't esoteric theory. Many freedom-minded parents who believe that gun ownership in America isn't a guaranteed forever thing are planning ahead with their children in mind. Here's how one preparedness-minded man handled the challenge.

Tim and his wife Anne have five children. This is a one-income family, with Tim earning a very ordinary wage while Anne homeschools the kids. The family's modest gun collection consisted of a .32 ACP pistol and two no-frills .22 rifles. Tim doesn't hunt, so he never had a desire for anything bigger. That was until he realized that his children would need something they could call their own while firearms can still be bought privately in most states.

While he's more of a casual gun owner than a much-maligned "gun nut," Tim understands that the Second Amendment has a fair number of enemies in both the Democratic and Republican camps. Since his knowledge of the market is limited, Tim enlisted a gun-savvy friend as an advisor. They hit paydirt right away, buying a new in the box .410 NEF shotgun for $50 from one of Tim's co-workers.

The little single shot is at the low end of shotgun power range, but its mild recoil and easy handling have made it a popular item around the house. The next purchase – a like-new Mosin-Nagant 7.62 x 54R bolt-action carbine for $90 – is somewhat more potent.

This old Soviet rifle was in excellent condition. Made for service in World War II, the Mosin sat in a warehouse for decades before being exported to the U.S. in recent years. Mosins are known for ruggedness, decent accuracy, and cheap surplus ammo – a perfect combination for Tim's low-budget arsenal. Tim's oldest son Greg (age 19) enjoyed shooting his uncle's .270 deer rifle, so he got the Mosin and its stout recoil.

Wanting to expand his horizons, Tim shopped at a local gun show. He learned a great deal about different models and current values, but found little in his price range. His mentor spotted a nice 1960s vintage High Standard .22 revolver for $100, which is below the going rate. Tim and his friend checked out the gun, which comes with a nine-shot cylinder. The seller said he would take $95, and Tim snapped up another good deal.

Four months passed before Tim made his next purchase. A friend was going to advertise his SKS rifle in the local shopper for $175. After Tim expressed an interest in the semi-auto, his friend realized he could save the cost of the ad and the hassles of answering phone calls and haggling by offering Tim a good deal. The $165 price included a gift of three boxes (60 rounds) of 7.62 x 39 ammo.

Four down, one to go before each child would have a start in practicing the Second Amendment. Anne rushed home to let Tim know about the guns she saw at a garage sale.

A nice Marlin .22 rifle stood out among the junky offerings. The seller wouldn't budge on his $90 price for the popular Model 60 semi-auto, but Tim gladly paid up. It isn't just a guy thing, as Tim's daughters also enjoy target practice with the user-friendly .22 rimfire.

Tim and the family now go to a local shooting range for occasional practice. The .22s are the usual weapons of choice, as they have little recoil, and the ammo is incredibly cheap. These range sessions are a great time for the family, providing recreation, togetherness and training at a low cost.

Some of the many members of the Colt .45 ACP and .44 Magnum Fan Clubs might scoff at Tim's unpretentious collection of firearms, but they're missing the point. There are millions of Tims – and potential gun owners – who would like to get more involved with this sport/pastime, but they just don't have large amounts of cash to lay out for high-end arms. That could change as incomes grow and time passes, but don't knock the novice who is sincerely eager to learn.

Think of it this way: Every new shooter and gun owner is one more convert to the cause of freedom. Gun grabbers and professional control freaks such as Dianne Feinstein, Richard Daley and the pond scum at the United Nations absolutely despise the thought of a growing number of American gun owners. That alone should be reason enough to encourage more people like Tim to teach their children how to competently shoot and safely handle a gun.

June 27, 2005

Al Doyle [send him mail] has worked as a newspaper reporter, magazine staff writer and freelancer since 1983. He won't allow his children to attend government schools.

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Standing Wolf
June 28, 2005, 06:15 PM
Every new shooter and gun owner is one more convert to the cause of freedom. Gun grabbers and professional control freaks such as Dianne Feinstein, Richard Daley and the pond scum at the United Nations absolutely despise the thought of a growing number of American gun owners.

If I'd had children, they'd have grown up shooting—and not attending public school, as well.

No_Brakes23
June 28, 2005, 07:26 PM
and not attending public school, as well. As the product of both Christian Private Schools and Home Schooling, I am curious just what evils you think are in the public system, and what benefits are achieved by private or home schooling. In my case I believe it did more harm than good.

As for the cheap guns, I am all for it. I definitely see a NEF shotgun in my son's future.

SteveS
June 28, 2005, 10:33 PM
He won't allow his children to attend government schools.

I don't really see what this has to do with growing up learning how to shoot. I attended public schools, as did my father and grandfather, and we all grew up shooting. As for my children, I can say they will grow up shooting. In terms of schooling, it depends on where we live and the quality of schools, public or private.

Justin
June 29, 2005, 12:52 AM
I am curious just what evils you think are in the public system, I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure.

nico
June 29, 2005, 01:00 AM
In my case I believe it did more harm than good.
the same is true for two cousins of mine who were home schooled. Even in one of the worst non-urban school systems in the country, I still got a much better education than either of them. If the parents do their job, kids won't be affected by the moral and political opinions of some teachers who choose to push them on their students. They might even get a lesson in how to coexist with total idiots when there's no other option. There are a lot of things you learn at all but the worst public schools (and you might even learn them there too) that you'll never learn from home schooling.

rock jock
June 29, 2005, 01:09 AM
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure.
Wow. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in school. That explains a lot.

rwc
June 29, 2005, 01:52 AM
And I thought this thread was going to be about the IRS $10K annual gifting exemption to estate taxes. :D

fjolnirsson
June 29, 2005, 02:25 AM
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure.

I'll second that. I have noticed rural schools turn out a more balanced individual than urban schools, but they still are far from ideal. I remember back in 2nd grade, when suddenly we weren't supposed to "use your imagination" any more. Suddenly, it wasn't about how we arrived at a solution, only that we got the correct one.

I'm planning to homeschool my daughter. Even if we are no longer Americans, I'd like her to know the history of what was once a great nation. Perhaps she'll be one of the leaders who rebuild after our country burns to ashes.
Gee, I'm feeling a bit morbid tonight. Must be from reading all those opinions about how we'll never fight because we're too comfortable. Aw, nevermind..... :(

bigun15
June 29, 2005, 02:42 AM
I'm growing up shooting right now (15 yrs. old, hunting for 2 of those) and when I have kids they will grow up shooting also. I will make sure of that.

No_Brakes23
June 29, 2005, 03:17 AM
I missed the "govt schools" part of the first post.

the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure. I agree, however, the private Christian schools I went to were just as bad, if not worse, and the Home Schooling made for some severe social adjustment problems when it was time to enter the real world.

Coming from the Home School environment, (In the 80's, California was NOT a HS-friendly environment,) I can understand the "govt schools" comment, as that mentality was rampant in the HS movement at the time. I was forced to lie about where I went to school, and fed a steady stream of indoctrination about how the evil non-Christian JBTs were going to take me away. I am NOT kidding about this. It was like a living in a Chick Tract.

Unfortunately the Home schooling is coming back to haunt me now, since the local police and sheriff's want all applicants to have a High School diploma or GED. The Corps didn't have a problem with me not having a diploma, as I had almost 100 semester units of college completed.

Ya know, I bet this issue is worth it's own thread, I am not really trying to jack this thread with an argument about Home versus Public versus Private schooling...but if I keep commenting on it, that is gonna happen.

But I am not sure which forum that thread would go into, how it would be firearms related, and it is liable to get nasty, so maybe I should just let it go.

1911 guy
June 29, 2005, 08:40 AM
I bought my son a .22 bolt action the day BEFORE he was born. Not kidding. I can afford it now, who knows about 5 or 10 years from now? As for the schooling, both have pros and cons. Decide what you want for your kids.

Onmilo
June 29, 2005, 09:05 AM
I am giving mine an early inheritance.
Kicking, screaming, and crying they are still going to College.

usp_fan
June 29, 2005, 09:26 AM
I enjoy shooting my 3 year old son's .45 colt Ruger Bisley. He'll get to shoot it all he wants when he can handle it, and it's his when he's 21.

--usp_fan

Missashot
June 29, 2005, 09:31 AM
I'm not sure about the type schooling my daughter will receive. There are pros and cons to each. (Besides,she is only 6 months old now). But I am pretty sure that she will be taught to shoot at a fairly early age. (Her dad is trying to find an anniversary edition 10/22 for her now) :) He and I are looking forward to being able to take her to the range with us for "Family day". :p

Marshall
June 29, 2005, 10:22 AM
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure.

:what: Oookay.

DorGunR
June 29, 2005, 10:28 AM
My son went to private schools from 4th grade thru college. I started him shooting at age 5, now he is 30 yo and an avid shooter. I'm giving him my gun collection a few guns at a time, I'm 72 yo and I won't be shooting as much as I once did.

richyoung
June 29, 2005, 10:37 AM
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure.

+1 and you forgot the NEA "indoctrination" you get - guns bad, America bad, Founding Fathers bad, world government good, state's rights bad, Europe good, "Turd World" better, right-wing freedom fighters like the Contras bad, Communist kleptocrats like the Sandinistas good, business bad, wacko environmentalism good. men and women not just equal politically, but interchangeable, a "living" Constitution, etc. :barf:

(and this was in an American school in Germany run by the Army!)

The Rabbi
June 29, 2005, 10:49 AM
I have two kids, daughter age 12 and son age 10. Daughter is traditionally schooled and going to public school next year, Son is homeschooled. Both have been taught how to shoot and daughter competed in women's shoot at our club last month.
The advantage of homeschooling is that parents have an opportunity to pass on their knowledge and values to their kids. If the parents are dysfunctional psychos then that is what will pass. Fortunately most parents are decent people who think primarily of their childrens' well being rather than whether they will be reprimanded because X percent of their class failed.
Schools seem to have an overwhelming guns=bad mentality. I am sure in rural areas it is different but in most places that is it. There is a definite ethos that schools pass along and gun culture is outside it.

Andrew Rothman
June 29, 2005, 11:27 AM
I'm giving him my gun collection a few guns at a time, I'm 72 yo and I won't be shooting as much as I once did.

I think I'm your long-lost son, Dad. :)

Justin
June 29, 2005, 12:02 PM
Wow. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in school. That explains a lot. Awesome! Backhanded sympathy! Rock Jock, you're a swell guy, but it's misplaced. I received most of my education at a private school. :p

Zundfolge
June 29, 2005, 12:11 PM
Wow. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in school. That explains a lot.

Rock Jock obviously learned his manners in the Public Schools. :scrutiny:



While there are bad private schools and bad home schools, when you compare home schooled and private schooled kids to the public school educated, the private and home school educated score way higher on average.

Over the years I've known many home schooled and private schooled people ... I have yet to find one who wouldn't have been several grades ahead of the average student I went to public school with.


The way I see it, you're chances of running into a "bad" or substandard public school are much greater then a bad or substandard private/home school.

Plus the leftist/collectivist indoctrination crap drove me nuts in school growing up ... I graduated in '87 and my brother in '92 from the exact same high school ... in just those few short years things at that school (academically and politically) got significantly worse. I can't imagine sending a child there today.

wmenorr67
June 29, 2005, 01:09 PM
The biggest problem I see with home schooling is that if the parents don't allow the children to have a life outside the house the children will never assimilate (sp) in society. And I am not talking about becoming a sheep but being able to cope with different people and general coping skills.

Zundfolge
June 29, 2005, 01:24 PM
wmenorr67 touches on one of the greatest myths about homeschooling.

In the public schools (and even in private schools) children are raised in an artificial social environment where everyone is within a year of their age (often the exact same children for 12 years). The exceptionally smart and exceptionally slow students are culled from their social circles, so they are surrounded by the average and mediocre and have no chance to interact with their betters and those beneath them.

Home schooled children tend to grow up with greater ability to relate to people who are not the same age as themselves ... in particular they tend to grow up better able to communicate with adults.

Home schooling also tends to focus on "real world" education instead of indoctrinating children using whatever techniques happen to be the fad of the day among the academic elites.

And don't get me started on the evils of unionized schools. :mad:

Certainly you have the occasional nut jobs who hide their children in a compound in the mountains somewhere, but they are the exception.

Most home schooled folk I know are affiliated with other home schoolers (some even swap kids for some subjects ... for example one parent teaches their children and the children of a couple of other families mathematics while another parent in the group teaches reading). Also home school organizations have get togethers and joint field trips together.


School is a real weird and unnatural environment where you are segregated by age (and sometimes by academic ability as well). Its an environment where your peers are the ultimately authorities in your children's lives and where the cruelty of children is what shapes other children.

Third_Rail
June 29, 2005, 01:47 PM
After failing grades 7, 8, 9, and 10, I dropped out of school. My average was Fs all across the board. Two months after dropping out, I took the GED - scored in the 98th percentile.


Figure that one out; someone who fails miserably in school is smarter than 98% of graduating seniors.


A big :neener: to all the teachers who ever told me I'd never amount to anything, as I'm going to a college next year for machining/CNC for $0.00. :D

Scholarships are great.

Dave R
June 29, 2005, 03:12 PM
The biggest problem I see with home schooling is that if the parents don't allow the children to have a life outside the house the children will never assimilate (sp) in society. And I am not talking about becoming a sheep but being able to cope with different people and general coping skills. I agree with Zundfolge. This is a myth.

How do I know? My wife and I homeschooled 6 kids in 5 different states. Oldest graduated college cum laude on scholarhip. Two others are in college now.

In every case, we were involved in home school cooperatives. They organize lots of field trips for the kids. When we were living in the Sant Cruz mountains in the Bay Area, the kids did lots of 'hippie' things like visiting an organic farm and making their own Comfrey ointment with real beeswax. Cool. They also had the HEAD of the STANFORD science department give them the ol' nitrogen-frozen-banana demo and the "implosion vs. explosion" with hydrogen demo in his basement. Turns out his daughter was a member of the home-schooling cooperative. He loved teaching the home school kids.

Home schoolers invariably get together and swap services. Except for the weirdo separitists in the mountains.

Besides, when the neighbor kids get home at 3:15 (or whenever), the home-schooled kids are asked to join in all the after-school play anyway. And then there's Church, if that's your thing.

No_Brakes23
June 29, 2005, 09:48 PM
The biggest problem I see with home schooling is that if the parents don't allow the children to have a life outside the house the children will never assimilate (sp) in society. And I am not talking about becoming a sheep but being able to cope with different people and general coping skills. That is precisely what happened to me. I wasn't unable to assimilate, but I had a hell of a time and some very harsh years of spinning my wheels before I was able to relate to other people around me.

In every case, we were involved in home school cooperatives. That makes a HUGE difference. I received nothing like this, and had no siblings in the house. My education mostly consisted of, "Here are your textbooks for 6-12 grades, good luck," in addition to hours of penmanship training and all the Chick tract propaghanda.

Those cooperatives are NOT a given. However, I would be willing to bet that there are more options for well-to-do home educators nowadays.

Home schoolers invariably get together and swap services. Except for the weirdo separitists in the mountains. We didn't live in the mountains, but we didn't work with any other home schoolers either.

when the neighbor kids get home at 3:15 (or whenever), the home-schooled kids are asked to join in all the after-school play anyway. The same logic that led my parents to remove me from school, led them to eventually ban my association with secular children, and of course all of the children somehow qualified as non-christian, with the exception of one kid whose hobbies involved crying, wetting himself, and getting beat-up. Not too good for social adaptaion.

Marshall
June 29, 2005, 09:50 PM
Guess it greatly depends on the school. To listen to some of the things said about public schools in general, it's a wonder we're here today with the ability to type on the forum and think.

No_Brakes23
June 29, 2005, 09:56 PM
To listen to some of the things said about public schools in general, it's a wonder we're here today with the ability to type on the forum and think. Yeah, no kidding. Maybe it is because I live in an area that has 14 military bases, but my public-schooled kids haven't been subjected to any of that leftist claptrap that every one else is talking about. And that is in California.

If they don't hear that crap in school, they will hear it in college, (Unless they go to Pensacola, BYU or BIOLA, where they will hear the inverse.) I would rather my kids be exposed to those ideas when they still believe me over the teacher, than in college, where they are more likely to buy into that stuff.

rock jock
June 29, 2005, 10:43 PM
Rock Jock, you're a swell guy, but it's misplaced. I received most of my education at a private school.
So, what makes you such an expert opinion on public schools. Oh wait, the fact that they are associated with the govt makes them automatically eeevil, huh?

Rock Jock obviously learned his manners in the Public Schools.
Well, when I read a statement like the one I responded to that is borne out of ignorance and fear, I generally take exception.

cracked butt
June 29, 2005, 10:44 PM
To get back on the gun track, my son will someday inherit a fairly large (and growing) gun collection. Also, is it wrong for me to start eyeballing youth model 870s when my son is still only 2 years old? :)

FunGunner
June 30, 2005, 12:00 AM
No kids of my own but have taught many to shoot that would like to be.

No_Brakes23
June 30, 2005, 01:15 AM
Also, is it wrong for me to start eyeballing youth model 870s when my son is still only 2 years old? Not at all.

SteveS
June 30, 2005, 11:59 AM
Also, is it wrong for me to start eyeballing youth model 870s when my son is still only 2 years old?

Heck no, my 2 year old daughter "has" a Ruger 10/22.

san408
June 30, 2005, 12:28 PM
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure

I hope this doesn't get me banned or in trouble here in any way since you are a mod. Here goes: This is one of the most general, high-handed statements I've read here. If you had a bad experience, I'm sorry to hear it.

I'm a high school chemistry teacher in the public school system in Oklahoma. I have a marketable degree. I could have done something to make me alot more $$$ than teaching in Oklahoma. I love my job. It's a blast.

I take alot of offense to the way you paint the whole system with that wide of a brush. There are alot of things that teachers are forced to deal with that isn't a part of "teaching", and most all of them impact on how we are able to get the message across.

Walk a day in my shoes, then talk to me about how bad of a job we all do. I would think someone on this site would be more careful about making those types of broad statements.

I'm not trying to say that there aren't bad teachers. Hell, I could point to people in my own building that I wish would go on down the road, but I'm pretty sure you could do the same at your job. I hope people don't talk about you and others that are in your profession like you did me.

Thanks.
Scott Nelson
Dehumanizing, quasher of all spirit and creative reason. :rolleyes:

The Rabbi
June 30, 2005, 12:34 PM
SAN,
I dont think the comment was meant necessarily as an attack on teachers. Notice he singled out the school system.
You know as well as anyone that the school system makes demands on its teachers that frequently run counter to good teaching practices. Just the idea of having 10-25 kids in a single class inevitably involves some kind of compromise between the weaker students and the stronger ones. Some kids learn better with certain techniques than others. Ideally you would custom-tailor an approach and curriculum for each child. And that is precisely what homeschooling does (or should do anyway) because the teacher-student ratio is usually 1:1. Teachers in schools do not have that luxury and so have to make compromises in some ways. That is not the teachers' fault, that is inherent in any system of mass-schooling.

wmenorr67
June 30, 2005, 12:57 PM
I didn't say that all home-schoolers have a problem assimilating. If you were to read the first sentence it once again goes back to the parents. I know that there are cases where the parents do not let their childern associate with anyone else but the family. Those are the childern that will have problems down the road.
I also know that there are organizations out there that home-schoolers belong to and that most parents will have the children in other activities outside the home.

entropy
June 30, 2005, 01:24 PM
I agree with giving them guns they've grown up up, except for the cheap part; no quicker way to get someone to dislike shotguns than to give them an NEF for their first. (Unless it's the .410) My older son's first shotgun is his 20 ga. 870, as will be his brother's in a few years. My first shotgun was a 20 ga. bolt action, and it slowed my wingshooting abilities up by several years. So my sons will get the very shotgun I longed for as a kid. My older son has already gone on a game farm pheasant hunt with his, and is a good wingshot, far better than I was at 11. He did get to use my H&R .410 before he got the 870, but the 870 is his, and he is responsible for cleaning and caring for it. He knows he can only handle it when I am with him, (his mother doesn't like shotguns, for the reason above.) and he has learned the Four Rules. He has already picked out which of my Mosin Nagants he wants, but he's not getting all of them! ;)

I 'home school' about the important things: The Ten Commandments, The Golden Rule, and as Col. Cooper put it, "To Ride, Shoot straight, and speak the Truth." Otherwise, they go to a good school system. Their uncle is on the school board, their grandpa is a past president of it, and their mother, uncles and aunts, and cousins went to it, and all turned out well. ;)

Smokey Joe
June 30, 2005, 01:37 PM
San 408 has a very valid point. There are ALL kinds of people teaching, and there are excellent, mediocre, and bad teachers, of every political stripe and way of thinking. In both public and private schools.

And, just as fairly, there are ALL kinds of parents home-schooling their kids. Of every political stripe and way of thinking. And some do an excellent, some a mediocre, and some a bad job of it.

Everybody went through an education experience on the way to growing up. That makes everyone an expert on what makes education bad and how crappy teachers are, right? And of course all teachers are equally crappy, equally leftist, etc, etc.

By the same logic, everyone has had medical treatment at one time or another, therefore everyone is qualified to diagnose and treat diseases, and criticize doctors, right?

Funny how everyone is an expert on education, and feels free to tell teachers how they should be doing their jobs, but when they get a mysterious heavy feeling in their chest, nothing but a (very expensive) heart specialist will do! And you don't tell the heart specialist how he should be holding the stethoscope!

I've been inside and outside of both public and private education. The one advantage private education gets automatically is the ability to rid itself of the riff-raff who shouldn't be there. These kids of course get dumped on the public schools, where they take up considerable staff time and effort, to very little benefit. And the public schools of course are unable to get rid of these kids. Then the public schools get criticized because the private schools do better. :banghead:

The other advantage private education MAY have is the commitment of the parents and kids involved. Committed parents and kids of course do better, but that is true IF the kids and parents in a public system feel committed, also. It's just more likely in the private system, but even there it's not guaranteed.

Homeschooling works very well if it is done right, and is a disaster if done wrong. It mostly depends upon the commitment of the participants. How is that different from public schools or private schools??

To get this thread back on topic, 'way back in the day, I instructed Hunter Safety classes right in the school--after hours--and for no pay, of course. We used real guns in as examples. The kids handloaded ammunition. Right in a public school building, imagine that!

The kids were taught sportsmanship and fairness, along with good gun handling. We had some of the "worst" kids in the school go through the course, but never a behavior problem, because (1) The kids, and their parents, felt a commitment to the program, and (2) Hunter Safety Instructors, unlike "real" teachers, were empowered to kick kids out of the program if they misbehaved, and refuse to pass them unless the Instructor felt that the student would actually be a safe gun handler in the field. No questions asked, no appeal process. We never had to kick anybody out, and nobody failed the course, IIRC. But that was partly because they COULD fail!

That's really the problem with public education in this country: The educators are forced--by politicians, from the President down to the local school board--to guarantee that no one will fail. With no commitment, no effort, from the parents. This is impossible, of course, so school superintendents have to lie about it to their school boards, and then force the teachers under them to make motions as if all the kids were succeeding. This wastes tremendous amounts of teacher creativity and time, not to mention your tax money. If students in public schools were routinely flunked for non-achievement, and kicked out for bad behavior, you would see an immediate solution to a great deal of what's wrong with public schools. And private schools and home schooling would immediately lose a great deal of their attractiveness. But that "ain't gonna happen any time soon."

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