Stupid kids throwing firecrackers, practical jokes in general. What can you do?


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Cesiumsponge
July 1, 2005, 02:12 AM
Okay...I might sound like an old crotchety man but why?

For the last few days, I have been hearing increased reports (reports as in sounds, not news reports) late at night from people tossing firecrackers nearby. About half a dozen tonight. Yes, its getting near the 4th of July and yay for Independance Day and I get great joy in celebrating America by blowing up a small piece of it with black powder...but I don't get people who get their kicks by throwing lit blackpowder at people's homes. This area is low on crime but fireworks are banned in the city limits.

Just now some jackoff threw a firecracker near my home and sped off screaming...okay. Of course, the first thing I think is "gunshot", but then I dismiss it as a firecracker after the speeding off and screaming. I've had people drive by and toss individual firecrackers, or even those long strings of firecrackers that last for half a minute...at my home, or around neighboring homes. It's been happening over a few years, and happens several times a year (not necessarily around July 4th only).

How do people here handle things when jackballs decide to throw firecrackers or pull general pranks on or around your property? Usually they're long gone before you know what happened. I don't think its a serious enough issue to call police...or rather they'll be gone before they even do anything about it. Certaintly in most states, you can't use lethal force to defend property at night. I don't know if I'd suggest shooting at stupid kids who think they're having fun when it puts you in red alert. But when you hear a large report go off at or near your home, you don't know what's going on or what the intent is.

Everytime I hear a big boom, it makes me jump and think "gunshot". I don't think there is much I can really do about it. I guess I'm just venting :mad: In typing this up, I've heard a few more go off about a block away.

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kal
July 1, 2005, 02:21 AM
Call the cops, tell them what's going on and they might catch and arrest the goons for vandalizing your property. If the cops can't do anything, do what you got to do and plead "self defense". :evil:

TNGO
July 1, 2005, 02:22 AM
Three words: "Front Toward Enemy".:D

Combat-wombat
July 1, 2005, 02:23 AM
They're just kids having their fun... leave 'em alone. Don't be the old grump on the street you probably remember from your childhood.

Mr. Loud Guns
July 1, 2005, 02:27 AM
First of all I like firecrackers, there neat however I only shoot them off one day a year and in my backyard. I agree that the idiots that throw them at people (had a friend who almost got blown up by one) and at peoples houses should be shot however impractical due to that annoying jail time. I don't know if this is legal or not but I will tell you my strategy. If I see some ass making a fool out of himself and messing up my property I usually get my airsoft gun that looks like my AR (painted off orange tip) and threaten to shoot them. It works quite well and usually the idiots who try it don't come around for atleast a year. I don't know it's just an idea :confused: . Just if you get mad don't come running out of the house with a pump action.

Cesiumsponge
July 1, 2005, 02:34 AM
They're just kids having their fun... leave 'em alone. Don't be the old grump on the street you probably remember from your childhood.

Well I'm not old (22), but considering it's illegal in the city to begin with, and they're throwing it at people's homes, wouldn't that be considered malicious? It's one thing to throw biodegradable toilet paper onto someone's property or wrap someone's mailbox in foil. When kids having "fun" by tossing gunshot-like sound makers at your front door or start igniting your dry summer grass on fire...its along the same lines as people who think its fun to chuck rocks off an overpass.

I used to play with firecrackers back when I was younger. I blew up GI Joes in the privacy of my own backyard when my parents weren't watching as a child (everyone did that, admit it!). I lit them off in the local park where everyone used to do it. Fireworks and firecrackers are a blast for young and old alike. However, I never did driveby firecrackering and threw them at homes or considered that fun.

Maybe I was a boring kid who never got a kick out of drive by firecrackering. Oh well.

Crosshair
July 1, 2005, 02:51 AM
To use an old South Park Quote.

1. Remote video camera placed strategicly on you're house.
2. Use video to get plate number.
3. Profit. :neener:

bigun15
July 1, 2005, 03:03 AM
If I see some ass making a fool out of himself and messing up my property I usually get my airsoft gun that looks like my AR (painted off orange tip) and threaten to shoot them.

Probably not the best of ideas. First off (unless you went through the whole deal with the FBI to get the orange off) it's illegal to have an airsoft gun w/o an orange tip. Second, that's against the law for threatening their life (yes it isn't real, but they think it is. That's all a lawyer against you would need). Third, if it were me using my airsoft M9, I wouldn't waste my time with the threat, give them a good ~50 BB's. What do you got to lose?

Rink
July 1, 2005, 03:19 AM
The suggestion might be ''tempting'' but would not in any way be legal. Content edited.

Hook686
July 1, 2005, 03:22 AM
Today, 01:34 AM #6
Cesiumsponge
Senior Member

wrote regarding

Quote:
They're just kids having their fun... leave 'em alone. Don't be the old grump on the street you probably remember from your childhood.



Well I'm not old (22) , but considering it's illegal in the city to begin with ...

I used to play with firecrackers back when I was younger. I blew up GI Joes in the privacy of my own backyard when my parents weren't watching as a child (everyone did that, admit it!). I lit them off in the local park where everyone used to do it. Fireworks and firecrackers are a blast for young and old alike. However, I never did driveby firecrackering and threw them at homes or considered that fun.




hmmmm limited illegality eh ? I'm not 22 ... far beyond that, and I would be downright humbled by the foolishness we kids did with firecrackers, cherry bombs, M-80's, skyrockets ... all in good fun of course ... even when we dropped one to the old grumps mail box down the street ... the one who use to yell at us when we rode our bikes across his lawn (short cut to the 10 cent saturday "all day at the movies" for kids at the neighbohood theatre).

Well I guess folks that drive 75, or 80 down the freeway don't think of themselves as "Law breakers" either. Easy to bash the other guy for his transgressions, and consider ones own as justifiable. Might be some wisdom in the idea to "Leave em alone".

Hook686

Rink
July 1, 2005, 03:24 AM
Well in the state of Washington all that you listed is illegal to buy or possess, the firecrackers, M-80's Cherry bombs and skyrockets.

Dern lawmakers are party-poopers if you ask me.

wasrjoe
July 1, 2005, 03:38 AM
They're just kids having their fun... leave 'em alone. Don't be the old grump on the street you probably remember from your childhood.

Being an a-hole really shouldn't be fun.

KriegHund
July 1, 2005, 03:46 AM
Krieg - what you proposed may be tempting but it is illegal. On THR one of our rules is that of not promoting illegal acts! Content edited

Hook686
July 1, 2005, 05:24 AM
None of the fireworks I mentioned were illegal when I was a kid.

I think it could be worse Cesiumsponge :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/dmchinnock/0e9c288a.jpg

or

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/dmchinnock/35e22b8a.jpg

Think about it.

Hook686

critter
July 1, 2005, 07:26 AM
Just a meditation here: If firecrackers sound like gunfire, then gunfire sounds like firecrackers! Hummmmm.

joab
July 1, 2005, 07:38 AM
Used to have some punks that would throw firecrackers at my dog, after they had taunted him to the fence.
Apparently they didn't know that they could get charged with animal cruelty for doing it. :D

I agree with the Wombat on this one though, and if firecrackers sound just like gunshots to you, you should get out to the range more often

Being an a-hole really shouldn't be fun. Oh, but it is, it really is.

benEzra
July 1, 2005, 08:22 AM
LOL well maybe a shotgun filled with rock-salt or epsom salts may help put the bite on some hoodlum's fun by stinging their rears (If you can catch em)
Very bad idea. That would be aggravated assault or assault with a deadly weapon, depending on how your local prosecutor wants to frame it.

A Super Soaker filled with ice water would be a better approach...though best of all is the video camera idea suggested above.

Dave P
July 1, 2005, 08:32 AM
Joab, you have it worse than me, but many of us in FLA get to listen to fireworks going off all night (it seems),; bottle rockets falling in the back yard, etc. I am not crazy about it, but I try really hard to look the other way and let the neighbors enjoy themselves, because sometimes I want them to ignore what I do! I am very glad that we live in a fine conservative state that allows fworks to be purchased, and hope it continues for a few more years.

I like the camera idea!

Dave

HighVelocity
July 1, 2005, 08:34 AM
Get them on video and hand it over to the tv news. Maybe their parents will see it.

El Tejon
July 1, 2005, 08:38 AM
Videotape them and call the cops. Anything else (unless you know the parents) is self-defeating.

Harry Tuttle
July 1, 2005, 08:52 AM
by a brick of black cats
tactical resupply the wastrals

send them down the street

:evil:

Third_Rail
July 1, 2005, 08:53 AM
Fireworks of any kind on YOUR PROPERTY - a-ok in my book. YOUR fireworks on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY - not okay at all. You don't have permission to be doing that, nor is it your property to be potentially damaging by fire.


Henry, I think you'd change your mind PDQ if people start doing this to you when you own a home.

41mag
July 1, 2005, 09:13 AM
I had a similar problem wednesday night.The neighbors next door were lighting off their fountains,sparklers,& other flame shooting stuff.Two things about it pissed me off.1 my car was less than ten feet from where they were lighting off & the smoke was covering my car(it had a fine layer of powder on it the next A.M.) & 2 as we've had no rain in weeks my lawn was dry,yellow tinder & there were sparks flying all over it.Why not say something to them?Well,I live alone & I know that they'll start right back up just as soon as I'm gone.They've done it before.Call the cops?Nope,not unless they really damage something.

When I was a kid the "grumpy old man" would turn on his sprinkler system any time us neighbor kids started fooling around his yard. :D

dolanp
July 1, 2005, 09:13 AM
I know the feeling. Unfortunately I live in a subdivision that is outside city limits so the cops aren't going to do a thing. Technically the homeowner's association prohibits fireworks in the neighborhood but they lack enforcement power and nobody reads what they've signed anyways so boom boom crack crack all night when it's a holiday. I was finding damn bottle rockets for months after the last time, and they land on my roof too. Worries me a bit.

I threw all the trash I found back over the neighbors fence the next day.

MechAg94
July 1, 2005, 09:26 AM
Crosshair, you got it wrong.

#4 is Profit. #3 is ????. :)


I was just thinking that a 12 gauge going off into the air as they drive by would make them think twice about come by that particular neighborhood again. No need to actually shoot at them. :) That and/or a good spot light.

T. Bracker
July 1, 2005, 10:45 AM
"Shoot them with rock salt", "Shoot them with a pellet rifle"? You have to be kidding, right? As the other poster said, now you have broken the law over some firecrackers? As others have said, I think this is a situation that you take the moral high ground and ignore them, so long as there is no serious damage. The Fourth is here and gone in a couple more days.

Majic
July 1, 2005, 11:16 AM
Either some people led very sheltered lives growing up or they have forgotten their own childhood.

RavenVT100
July 1, 2005, 11:20 AM
About two months ago someone exploded a series of M80s across the street. It sounded very much like gunfire and I called 911, emphasizing that it was probably fireworks but I wanted to be sure. The police swept the area but no dice.

Now, the area in question is a transfer station that hires many, shall we say, immagrant workers. I understand that these people enjoy setting off all manner of fireworks. But it was a little much, and that "pop-pop-pop-pop" was too close to you-know-what for me to tell the difference. And this comes from setting off thousands of the things as a kid.

Andrew Rothman
July 1, 2005, 11:33 AM
First of all, throwing explosives onto CesiumSponge's property is not just kids being kids.

Second, shooting them with BBs, rock salt or bullets is an invitation to go to jail.

That said, I'd run over to Lowe's and get a good high-pressure nozzle for the garden hose. This one is under $3:

http://images.lowes.com/product/683116/683116700400.jpg?wid=158&cvt=jpeg

Sit in a lawn chair with a refreshing beverage and a good book or magazine. Should the darling tykes accidentally drop a firecracker on your property, you'll be able to keep everyone safe by promptly dousing the area thoroughly with large volumes of water. If the kids get somewhat wet, it's for their own safety. :)

spacemanspiff
July 1, 2005, 12:01 PM
i say chase em down, catch em, and duct tape the fireworks into their hands. light the fuses and see how fun they think it is.


:neener:

Justin
July 1, 2005, 12:07 PM
I'd like to point out that if you're going to offer advice, please limit your posts to things that are legal.


/darn kids, get off my lawn.

Mad Man
July 1, 2005, 12:14 PM
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Mongo the Mutterer
July 1, 2005, 12:17 PM
I'll tell you what I'm GOING TO DO on the 4th to combat the nasty fireworks in my neighborhood.

Strip

Get in the hottub with my baby :D

Pop one of several of the beers I'll bring along :p

Enjoy the show. My neighbors spend HUNDRED$ of dollars in fireworks. :cool:

logical
July 1, 2005, 12:19 PM
let's see, it's a kid with a pack of firecrackers. Sure, getting out the shotgun sounds real reasonable. Geeze, turn up the sound on the Golden Girls rerun you're watching and keep your tactical gear in the closet.

Cesiumsponge
July 1, 2005, 12:53 PM
Well I guess folks that drive 75, or 80 down the freeway don't think of themselves as "Law breakers" either. Easy to bash the other guy for his transgressions, and consider ones own as justifiable. Might be some wisdom in the idea to "Leave em alone".

Sorry if it sounded like I was being a hypocrite, I wasn’t clear enough on my part. I used to play with firecrackers in the park and in my own backyard when they weren’t banned in this city. After they were banned, we’d commonly make the drive north to places where they weren’t banned yet like Native American reservation lands or Mercer Island and purchase/light them there legally.

People here still light firecrackers on the 4th despite the (admittedly stupid) law. One of my neighbors has young children and on the 4th, they’ll light fountains and those buzzing flower things on their own property or in the street. I have no issues with that at all. The intent there is a lot different than people throwing lit explosives on your property and speeding off

What does sitting in foxholes in Iraq have anything to do with kids tossing firecrackers at your doorstep? The same insane logic involved with that would come up with these following gems:
“Getting robbed is better than being in a foxhole in Iraq.”
“Getting audited is better than being in a foxhole in Iraq”

With that mentioned, I hardly think it’s a bunch of innocent 6th grade kids who didn’t know wrong from right. Last time I looked, the minimum unrestricted legal driving age in Washington was 18, or 16+ with heavy regulations. We have strict and tight driving regulations for young drivers (thanks to Tracy Eide). For those 16 years of age but not yet 18:
• For the first 6 months, drive with no passengers under the age of 20 unless they are members of the immediate family.
• For the remaining period, drive with no more than 3 passengers under the age of 20.
• Do not drive between 1:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. unless with a licensed driver age 25 or older. Driving for agricultural purposes is an exception to the late night hours driving restriction.
So this leads me to three reasonable conclusions:
-a bunch of kids under the age of 16 illegally heisted a car and drove around throwing explosives
-a bunch of 16-18 year old kids violating the Intermediate Driver License Program laws and in addition throwing explosives
-or they’re all at least 18 years of age…hardly fancy-free grade school children looking to have some fun Last time I checked, you’re responsible for your actions at the age of 18.

Recalling this story also reminds me of several odd incidences I’ve seen. I want to say that it’s the same people but I have no clue who they are or where they live…but they’ve seemingly turned this street into the proving grounds for their antics. My home is located on a 90 degree bend in the road. One day I hear this rumbling screeching sound. I dismiss it as construction machinery. The next few minutes, it gets progressively louder and louder. By this time, it’s so loud, I figure it has to be coming down the blind corner outside so I peek out of the window and what do I see? A black Dodge Neon completely missing one rear tire, on bare rim, scraping the rim along the asphalt as it careens around the corner, rear end riding up onto the sidewalk of my neighbors home since it had no grip at all, barely missing the mailboxes, scrapes right down past the sidewalk of my home, and down the street. There was a lead car and a chase car along with it!

The shenanigans that happens here is so random and that it’d be impossible to get the police out here to catch them in the process or beforehand. The response time is also dire unless you’re in the process of being murdered. It took 3 hours to get an officer out here for a burglary (not in progress albiet). I'm sure a lot more craziness has ensued while I was at work, and I'm happy I've missed out on that.

ny32182
July 1, 2005, 01:27 PM
If you're 22, you either led a very sheltered life, or you were the one playing with firecrackers not more than 5 years ago. :scrutiny: Hell, I'm 23 and I intend to light firecrackers every 4th of July for many years to come. I look forward to the day when my biggest worry is firecrackers on the lawn.

If you are worried about a fire hazard, just do as another poster suggested, and sit out on the lawn with a garden hose and a beer and enjoy the sunset for the next few evenings.

I sure hope kids, fun, and kids having fun all remain legal for at least a few more years in this great free nation of ours. :what:

MikeIsaj
July 1, 2005, 01:53 PM
My advice, Lighten up. You're going to get your knickers in a bunch over something you can do very little about. Yes, it's against the law but, how much effort and expense are you willing to put into enforcing this law? If the opportunity comes along to catch them and prosecute, be my guest. Otherwise it's like teaching a pig to roller skate. It wastes your time, annoys the pig and makes you the grumpy old fart that's fun to torment. React enough and the kids will target you just to watch the show.

Personally if I saw juveniles playing with fireworks, I would confiscate the fireworks and call the cops. I would be justified under my duty as an adult in Pa. to protect any juvenile from their risky behavior.

As far as sounding like gunfire to you, I'd suggest again that you loosen your grip a little. Replace fear with knowledge. If you've ever been shot at, you will never again mistake a firecracker with a gunshot. Listen closely when you get the chance and you will notice many differences in the sounds.

spacemanspiff
July 1, 2005, 02:08 PM
actually mikeisaj, a firecracker at close range can sound alot like a firearm being shot some ways away. i may have been inclined to think the sounds i heard one morning were indeed firecrackers if i didnt hear them whizzzzz over my head and impact on the building behind me.

do you know what this boils down to? it isnt kids having fun. it isnt old crotchety people shaking their fists at the younger generation.

it is a lack of respect mixed with irresponsible behavior. kids setting off firecrackers or fireworks in an unsafe manner is not much different than firing guns in an unsafe manner.
serious injury or even death could result from the irresponsible use of fireworks.

duckslayer
July 1, 2005, 02:12 PM
I agree with the lighten up posts. We all did something similar to this when we were kids, and we can't really explain why it seemed like so much fun at the time. If it is just firecrackers, those aren't going to catch your grass on fire or blow out a window.

If you want to join in the fun though, sit out behind a bush with a water hose and douse them in the car as they drive by.

Don't get out the shotgun.

wmenorr67
July 1, 2005, 02:21 PM
Buy a paint ball gun and tag their car as it goes by. :evil:

Cesiumsponge
July 1, 2005, 02:22 PM
If you're 22, you either led a very sheltered life, or you were the one playing with firecrackers not more than 5 years ago. Hell, I'm 23 and I intend to light firecrackers every 4th of July for many years to come.

Geez, some people here seem to make the assumption that I am somehow the spokesman on demonizing fireworks and firecrackers. I even said that I have, I do, and I intend to take enjoyment of it and the firecracker ban was stupid. I’ve even done some stupid things before as a kid but I never applied them outside my own property (or friend’s property if we were in cahoots)

I clearly state that the issue at hand is throwing them at peoples’ homes. Some firecrackers are more benign than others. Some firecrackers can destroy property or cause bodily harm. Someone throwing a blackcat on your front lawn is quite a bit different than people lighting those golfball sized motar things that are supposed to be launched in a tube and make a huge ball of sparks and boom, or M-80’s.

If you’re sitting in the living room and an M-80 goes off unexpectedly right outside the exterior wall, I doubt the first thought in your mind will be “those silly kids and their firecrackers again”, which will be followed by a hearty laugh. A more reasonable reaction would be “what the hell was that?” and you jumping out of your seat due to surprise.

I sure hope kids, fun, and kids having fun all remain legal for at least a few more years in this great free nation of ours.

What’s very alarming is that some people here seem to think “destruction of private property” is harmless innocent fun.

If it is just firecrackers, those aren't going to catch your grass on fire or blow out a window.

When did they invent firecrackers that chemically react at room temperature, hence not being able to ignite flammable materials or cause damage? I used to split firewood in half with blackcats as a kid and those are tiny (on my own flipping property, not blowing up the neighbor's tree)

veloce851
July 1, 2005, 02:52 PM
I would have to second the idea of getting a high pressure water hose out and wait to ambush.. hopefully they will have their window down and you will have good aim.
Otherwise anything else could just make things worse for you.

Although I do recall a friends dad got real upset with "punks" screaming through the calm neighborhood in their cars, causing a hazard for all the little ones that lived there.
He "borrowed" a set of stop sticks and took out several teens tires before their parents raised holy hell with the local PD. Seeing as how he was a county sheriffs deputy he got away with a slap on the wrist and many chuckles.
One of the parents tried to sue for the tire damage (since we all know the kids didn't pay for them) he lost the case. That was back in the good ol' days of real justice and real judges. :D

Wayne02
July 1, 2005, 03:09 PM
I like fireworks as much as the next guy, but only on the 4th, and keep them contained to your own yard.

We miss my wifes family reunion each 4th because we have to stay home and keep the water hose handy... it is that bad. Stopped a grass fire that started just 15' from my shop last year. Massive, and I mean massive amounts of bottle rocket, and mortar trash litters the yard the next morning.

I don't stop finding bottle rocket trash until about 6 months after the 4th. I find them speared into my house and shop roofs, clogging the gutters, laying on all the cars in the driveway, burnt through my large rv canopy and then burned the rubber roof on my rv.

The front and backyards are filled with used bottle rockets and mortar trash. The trees around my place have bottle rocket trash and those little parachute guys hanging all over them. Still have trash hanging high up in the trees from year before last.

It's all fun and games until it's your house that burns down....

Wayne

Rink
July 1, 2005, 03:32 PM
Very bad idea. That would be aggravated assault or assault with a deadly weapon, depending on how your local prosecutor wants to frame it.

A Super Soaker filled with ice water would be a better approach...though best of all is the video camera idea suggested above.


Then it rock salt cant be used, then another suggestion if you are going to use a super-soaker would be to fill the super-soaker with pepper, enough to sting the eyes of any the liquid touches.

(Personally though rock salt on the rear to me isnt deadly, may make it miserable to sit, but its not deadly enough in my opinion, and after all they ARE on your property right? Dont you have a right to protect your property from tresspassing hoodlums?)

Tokugawa
July 1, 2005, 08:39 PM
A few years ago in WA state, some kids put an m-80 into a guys handmade mailbox.It was some little art project of his. The guy got upset, ran out of his house with a .44mag, and unloaded on the car the kids were in, killing one of them. This is not a proportional response. Do not even think of using a weapon .
Sooner or later, the lesson will become self evident to them. One of our local boys managed to fumble a lit m-80 as they were careening around blowing up mailboxes. He dropped it into a full box of them. All exited the vehicle post-haste as it erupted in a rather spectacular fashion. Unfortunately for him, it was his moms car! The sheriffs Dept. used it for a show and tell, I believe.

KriegHund
July 1, 2005, 09:06 PM
"Shoot them with rock salt", "Shoot them with a pellet rifle"? You have to be kidding, right?

Whoa, please, theres a very big difference between two things. One involving death/derious injury, the other involving much pain and a bruise.

Just tell the cops, but its not like theyll do crap anyways.

bogie
July 1, 2005, 09:10 PM
If you think that firecrackers sound like gunfire, you haven't been around a lot of guns.

Moderators, I don't really see what the point of this thread is...

wasrjoe
July 1, 2005, 09:34 PM
it is a lack of respect mixed with irresponsible behavior. kids setting off firecrackers or fireworks in an unsafe manner is not much different than firing guns in an unsafe manner.
serious injury or even death could result from the irresponsible use of fireworks.

Exactly. Don't freakin' shoot at them, though. I am not sure I think calling the cops is the best idea, either. (I hate the idea of wasting recources like that around the holidays. Busy time for cops.) I'm completely against the people here saying "lighten up, kids have a right to be complete a-holes; I was one when I was a kid!" However, I'm not sure that there's much you can really do.

T. Bracker
July 1, 2005, 10:33 PM
Oh and right about the time you touch off that load of rock salt, one of them turns to look and loses an eye. Now your assault charge just got worse, and you won't have to worry about losing your house in a fire, because they will be suing you right out of it!

stevelyn
July 1, 2005, 11:34 PM
Counter-Battery Fire. :evil: Artillery shells launched in the general direction on a low trajectory or vollies of bottle rockets launched in the same manner.

When I was a kid we used to take cork-screws and and bore holes in small apples and similar produce. Then we'd shove a taped firecracker in it and voila.................a field expedient grenade. :D

BigSlick
July 1, 2005, 11:43 PM
Good responses.

The solution depends upon whether, you are trying to stop the activity or get some revenge.

To stop it, sit in your car, parked outside and when the miscreants come by tossing firecrackers, get them on video and follow them home to see where they live. Then call the cops. If they won't do anything, then call your lawyer and sue the little mullets and their parents for mental distress. Surely you can find some bottom feeder or a lawyer that needs to make a child support payment.

To evoke revenge, park up the street from your house and watch for them to do the drive by. When they arrive, again tape the whole thing and follow them discretely. Wait a few hours until you're sure they are all in for the night, then take your humongous Super Soaker filled with brake fluid (DOT3 works best) and do a stealth pass by their driveway.

****** their drive by vehicle with the brake fluid. Go home and forget about it.

Otherwise, you might consider walking out to where they pass, stop the car and ask them to stop that BS (being as cool headed as possible). If they're just kids out having some harmless fun, that will probably do the trick.

If they're social miscreants, clear leather and take them down - every last one of them and then burn their car right where it sits. Then strip down, cover your body with camo paint and hide on the roof of your house.

When LE and FD show up, don your tin foil hat and hold your breath... they won't even know you're there. Then, in your most ninja-esque move of all, fade thru the roof of your house and into the shower to get all the camo off.

When the FD comes to your door, act all suprised.. OOoooohhh those POOR kids ! Offer to say a prayer for them and run crying in anguish as you close the door. Be sure you dead bolt it, one of the LE/FD crew *could* be a part time Mall Ninja (the most lethal kind) and use his Ninja powers to see thru yours and find the truth.

If this happens, it's time to fall back on your training. Stick a D-cell battery inside your body cavity and go into the Mantis. The battery will block all Mall Ninja waves (they use 123's - a D cell is much stronger), and the Mantis will propel you to the true warrior that you have trained to be.

At this point, get your Chi on and go outside and kick some serious ass. This is your neighborhood, and dammit, everyone there will rue the day The D-Cell Ninja was awakened.

Spread your horror oh mighty one, smite thine enemies without delay or remorse.

Then, when everything in your midst is destroyed (except your yard), and all adversaries are dead with their souls bound with tinfoil (so they don't go to heaven), then return here... The High Road.

And let us learn from your ferocity, stealthiness and unmatched D-Cell Ninja Wisdom.

Oh yeah... if the alarm clock goes off in the middle of you fading thru the roof or something.. hit the snooze bar and finish the job oh great one :D

BigSlick

Hardware
July 2, 2005, 06:56 AM
The first time these dorks come by turn on your front yard sprinklers. I agree that it is annoying, but if the po po aren't going to do a thing about it, what are you going to do?

Personally, if I was going to douse these idiots with a hose it wouldn't be a garden hose it would be a firehose. I'd like to see them take their car back to their mommy or daddy with a interior full of water.

Anything you do is going to escalate the situation. A lot of these kids have a "I don't get paid to lose or walk away" attitude. Doing something to stop their fun is just going to make them want to come back later to get even with the guy that stopped them from having their fun.

Mongo the Mutterer
July 2, 2005, 07:55 AM
Big Slick -- To evoke revenge, park up the street from your house and watch for them to do the drive by. When they arrive, again tape the whole thing and follow them discretely. Wait a few hours until you're sure they are all in for the night, then take your humongous Super Soaker filled with brake fluid (DOT3 works best) and do a stealth pass by their driveway.

****** their drive by vehicle with the brake fluid. Go home and forget about it. The rest of your post had me laughing so hard I couldn't type. Marvelous. I was going to suggest buying a Ghillie suit for the hose patrol, but your post was toooo excellent.

The brake fluid suggestion has a bit of vicious payback to it. I have filed it with my other devious methods of chilled revenge. :evil:

Good on you Slick.

Cacique500
July 2, 2005, 10:17 AM
...bird bombs :D

TMM
July 2, 2005, 12:17 PM
what does brake fluid do to the car?

now, my ideas:
1)sit in a chair with a shotgun. don't shoot them of course, but they will probably think you will, and they won't mess with you.
2) load the shottie with a light birdshot and fire into the air or into a target, tilted behind you so the shot lands on your property. 12g. BOOM would get them hauling ass, i'd think. don't shoot infront of them, but behind your house so they only hear the shot.
3) stay in the front lawn with a chainsaw and maybe a hockey mask. start and rev the saw if necesary.

sorry if any of these ideas are stupid or illegal. they don't seem so to me, so i hope it's ok.
~TMM

Avenger29
July 2, 2005, 12:47 PM
Brake Fluid removes paint very, very well.

LiquidTension
July 2, 2005, 03:01 PM
Yes, brake fluid is better for super soakers than paint thinner - thinner will eat through parts of the super soaker I imagine.

No guns, pellet or otherwise. Harming the kids is out of the question. Well, if you walk the High Road it is. Annoying them a bit without causing damage would be the best way. The video camera would work wonders, especially if you could get a tag number. That way the police may get involved, at least as much as contacting the owner of the car which is probably the parent of one of the kids.

If you're feeling a bit more malicious, caltrops have been known to materialize in strange places....

jetrecbn
July 2, 2005, 03:14 PM
I remember driving home at night when stupid kids threw a firecracker at my car. I was going about 70mph while they were probably going over 80. My window was rolled down. I was lucky that the firecracker missed the opening. I hope they crash. Stupid stunts like these have killed people. Just like the idiot's that throw rocks from over passes (happened to me), or throw rocks at cars going the opposite way on the freeway. I just shake my head and say ***. Some people just need to be air dropped into the Sand Box.

Cesiumsponge
July 2, 2005, 03:21 PM
The difficult thing about getting evidence or catching these "kids" in the act is that they're out getting their jollies NOT on a fixed schedule. They do it possibly whenever they're drunk or high or feeling especially stupid so its unpredicable. Looks like this is a lose-lose situation that one just has to "put up" with. Myself, and I'm sure many others, don't, or can't spend all their spare time sitting on the lawn being a Lawn Ninja with a ghillie and a fire hose waiting for something that happens once in a while. I'd rather be out shootin' :D

Police aren't likely to catch them unless they wrap themselves around a tree or it happens with so much frequency that the police would give two hoots about it. I'm sure a lot of them have that attitude where if you try to intervene or stop them, they'll just single you out more often or do something more extreme...unless you can nab them for sure. Cameras sound like a good idea. If anything, overtly mounting phony ones might be enough to them dissuade any mischievious ideas.

joab
July 2, 2005, 05:23 PM
Brake Fluid removes paint very, very well. Does it stiil? I heard somewhere that the new stuff didn't.

Back in HS there were these guys that put it in their windshield fluid reservoir of the trucksand ran the tube down just in front of their rear bumper.
They could drive real slow by your car a squirt it out onto your paint.

You can also put rubbing alcohol in the reservoir and run a tube into your carb ans shoot blue flames out of your pipes

Mr. Loud Guns
July 3, 2005, 01:13 AM
First of all not all kids are these morons. I admitt there are many of them but not everyone I know acts this irresponsibly. AFTER STATING THAT fill a supersoaker with kerosine tie a match on the front, light it and start spraying. Now that is right to bear arms :what: !

TimboKhan
July 3, 2005, 01:53 AM
My preferred method is to stand on my porch in my underwear and just scream "BEAT IT, YOU DAMN DIRTY APES"... then I sit down, pop open a Coors, and reflect on the awesome power of my drill instructor-like hollerin' voice.

TX_RGR
July 3, 2005, 04:06 AM
I admit I didnt read every post in this thread, but may I just suggest, in case it has not been suggested already, that you just "lay in wait" for the wayward lads, and then surprise them? Not only will they be impressed by your special ops skills, but they may also be a bit surprised, and even scared or embarrassed after being caught. Then politely ask them not to throw that ???? at your house anymore. I was once a JD. If someone busted me, then asked me not to do it anymore, as opposed to being a jerk about it, I would leave him alone (even then). On the flip side, there was a guy who called the cops on us once, for loud music. You don't want to know what happened to him. :D

MillCreek
July 3, 2005, 01:44 PM
There was a criminal and civil case on this issue in Washington several years ago. I remember since it is part of our state's case law establishing there is no insurance coverage under your homeowners insurance for shooting someone.

Some kids were riding around smashing mailboxes with a baseball bat. A homeowner took exception to this, as perhaps would we all, but then made a fatal error in judgement: he grabbed a .44 caliber revolver, and let off a few rounds at the teenager's car. This was at night, and as bad luck would have it, one of the rounds struck and killed one of the kids in the backseat. He was convicted of manslaughter, and served several years in prison.

The estate of the teenager sued him for civil liability, and he asked his homeowners' insurance to cover him. He argued that he had not intended to hurt anyone, was firing essentially at random, and as such, this should be covered as an accident and not excluded by the 'intentional acts' exclusion found in virtually all homeowners' insurance policies.

The case went up the appellate court ladder here in Washington, and the final court decision was that shooting at someone, even if you did not intend to hurt them, and was unlucky enough to do so, was an intentional act, and as such would not be covered under the homeowners' insurance. Most states have very similar decisions in their case law along with other decisions specifically on self-defense shootings, and this is the basis for my advice that you generally have no insurance coverage under the typical homeowners' or personal umbrella policy for a self-defense shooting, since that too is considered an intentional act.

So from a civil or criminal liability standpoint, I think it is a very bad idea to grab the gun for what is essentially either a minor property crime or harmless prank.

joab
July 3, 2005, 01:56 PM
So from a civil or criminal liability standpoint, I think it is a very bad idea to grab the gun for what is essentially either a minor property crime or harmless prank. I agree with that.
But as for the homeowners insurance angle.

Where do you think the
"It just went off. I never even touched the trigger and there was no indicator to tell me it was loaded anyway, I think you should sue the gun maker, instead" defense came from

Like a TV cop once said you just got to know the right lies to tell

MillCreek
July 3, 2005, 04:14 PM
When it comes to coverage issues under your homeowners' or personal umbrella policy, there is no doubt that the more 'accidental' the occurrence, the higher the likelihood that there will be coverage. People have tried to argue a shooting as an accidental discharge or a product liability issue, and it is by no means guaranteed that this argument will be successful and you will have coverage, at least under your own insurance.

joab
July 3, 2005, 04:21 PM
I'm sorry MillCreek.
I wasn't trying to dispute you.
I was just joshin,
kinda

Cesiumsponge
July 4, 2005, 01:31 AM
Fireworks and firecrackers are out in almost full force tonight :D

No people driving by throwing crap thankfully (which was what I complained about), but people lighting stuff off in their front yards like reasonable human beings. Just want to clarify I don't have issues with fun on your own property (even if the city banned it)

Though I think someone is lighting off quarter sticks or something with a helluva lot more punch than M-80's because the entire house shook and the sound was not remotely close to here...plus it set off car alarms and police sirens are going off shortly after. :uhoh:

I just hope they're doing it on their property and not using it to prank because that's some serious boom power.

joab
July 4, 2005, 01:53 AM
Though I think someone is lighting off quarter sticks or something with a helluva lot more punch than M-80's because the entire house shook and the sound was not remotely close to here...plus it set off car alarms and police sirens are going off shortly after. Sounds like a premature motar explosion. those sirens might not have been police.

I was dissapointed very few homebased displays this year.

Azrael256
July 4, 2005, 02:05 AM
Back when I lived out in the middle of nowhere, Denton County decided to set up their official fireworks shooting area just up the hill about 1/2 a mile from my trailer. They called in a bunch of retailers, a fire truck, and let people just go nuts. It was actually pretty cool. Most displays last about an hour. Mine lasted about three days. We usually had a deputy or a trooper hanging out in front of the trailer to keep things moving smoothly, and to make sure people didn't go shooting off things on our property. They were actually really nice about it, asking if they could set up shop in my front yard before they came in. They kept their cruisers off the septic tank, so I didn't really care.

Here in the 'burbs, it's a different story. I don't really care to be the crazy old man, so I don't go screaming after the kids when they're shooting off stuff. I do, however, go screaming at them when they're shooting off bottle rockets and the like under a tree, or in the general direction of my car. As long as they're careful, I don't really feel like calling the police, who I'm sure are already more than busy, about a couple kids with firecrackers. They finish up artillery practice around 9PM, so it's not really a problem.

Mongo the Mutterer
July 4, 2005, 08:10 AM
Happy Fourth of July!!!

Have to reflect on my best 4th. 1976, sitting on the beach at Marina Del Ray California. Firing rockets at the boats and them firing back. All down the coast.

Priceless.

Marshall
July 4, 2005, 10:26 AM
Well, I don't like it too much when kids do stuff around my property but I try to remember I was a kid once doing stupid stuff for s*its and grins myself.

I would suggest forgetting ideas that include guns at all and just show some patients and restraint. If all I have to do is get out my blower-vac and suck up some exploded paper, so be it. Now if malicious property destruction or personal harm is intended, I would take appropriate steps.

Just keep in mind, you don't want to end up with your car windows broken, pellets or worse shot at your house, flat tires, pets messed with, etc; just because you couldn't deal with loud noises and few firecrackers exploding on your lawn. Don't be the one that provides a reason for kids to escalate things.

Pick your fights wisely, be sure the fight is worth it. Some are, some aren't. ;)

TimboKhan
July 4, 2005, 06:16 PM
First of all, throwing explosives onto CesiumSponge's property is not just kids being kids.

I am not advocating winging Black Cats on your neighbors lawn, and yes, Black Cats are technically "explosives", but for the love of pete, its not like they are throwing down plastique. Its simply a matter of judgement, really. If they are just raising a little hell, and there is no real harm being done, then let them go. I raised more than a little hell with fireworks in my younger years, and none of it was ever intended to be malicious. If they are in fact cooking off M-80's outside your window, thats a little different, and in that case the coppers should be called. But, assuming that its the normal variety of Black Cats and Bottle Rockets, and assuming that its not actually a planned assault on your person and property, I say just keep your eyes open and let them have their fun. Even thought the road to hell is paved with good intentions, they probably aren't intentionally trying to upset you, and I don't see how making a big stink of it will make things any better. Firecrackers go away after a couple of days, police reports on your neighbors little darlin's fester and fester........

Timbo

TimboKhan
July 4, 2005, 06:26 PM
Might I also add that I wasn't necessarily addressing cesiumsponge; he seems to have it under control, and it does seem like maybe someone IS cooking off something more powerful than a black cap, I was just reflecting my own personal philosophy on firecrackers. Additionally, let me also point out that when I was a kid, I actually did have the cops called on me once for firecrackers, and the butt-chewing I got from the cops, the loss of my firecrackers, and the resultant butt-chewing/kicking that I got from my dad (less because of the firecrackers, more because I got brought home by the po-po) were all vast over punishments for my crime. As I recall, I was sticking lady fingers into an ant hill that was on someones elses lawn a few blocks from my house but still within my playing area. Sure, that was dumb of me and now that I am a grown up I sure wouldn't let that slide at my house, but the fact is that I was a 9 year old kid blowing up ants with LADYFINGERS.... Let me assure you that A: had the guy just came out and told me to beat it I would have and that B: I never forgot that he called the cops on me, and I took out considerably more than a pound of flesh from that guy over the years in general mischief, so thats something to consider...

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