Walmart getting out of the firearms business?


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grimjaw
July 1, 2005, 11:48 AM
Did I miss a news items or press release somewhere? Walmart's website has not listed firearms correctly for at least 48 hours. When I was in Arkansas earlier this month, one of the towns that has a major distribution center (Searcy) had a large number of people lined up at their Supercenter for rifles they had on clearance. I know here in Ohio they have to special order almost anything, and even then it's dicey on whether or not they'll get it in.

Maybe I'm way off base, but it seems to me like they want out of the business.

jmm

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HighVelocity
July 1, 2005, 11:55 AM
I was in the Walmart in Kingman AZ a few days ago and they had the biggest firearms counter I've seen at a walmart. No sign of anything changing.
I also frequently chat with the counter guy at my local walmart and he hasn't said anything about guns going away either.

grimjaw
July 1, 2005, 12:05 PM
Well, maybe their website is just screwed up then. I'm sure they clearance alot of stuff, too. Just seemed oddly coincidental.

jmm

Werewolf
July 1, 2005, 12:14 PM
You don't get to be the most successful and largest retailer in the world by making poor business decisions.

Its possible that Walmart is evaluating firearms sales at each of their stores and taking them out of stores where they just take up space.

happy old sailor
July 1, 2005, 12:25 PM
another "i dont know, but, i've been told" stories: hillary is on the board of directors of WalMart. sounds about right. the clintons were/are big stuff here in Arkansas where the merchandizing giant WalMart is headquartered. it seems to me that the world is being controlled by weinners and they are scared crapless that a revolt, as in French history, will occur. so, it is important that the final bastion of our freedom - guns - be removed to prevent that possibility. the WalMart store here made shelf space for reloading supplies a couple years ago. prices were good and i stocked up on stuff i use. then the supplies dwindled. i asked what is going on. the reply was that reloading was being phased out. maybe just here, maybe all over. sounds like more weenie stuff to me. ok, rant off.

i suspect ammo will go too, so watch for clearance sales,

Andrew Rothman
July 1, 2005, 12:36 PM
In 1986, when Hillary was first lady of Arkansas, she was put on the board of Wal-Mart. Officials at the time said she wasn't filling a vacancy. In May 1992, as Hubby's presidential campaign heated up, she resigned from the board of Wal-Mart.

armoredman
July 1, 2005, 12:39 PM
I wish WalMart carried reloading supplies here, but then again, Sportsman's Warehouse will be opening in September, and I have heard thier reloading dept is huge....

m0ntels
July 1, 2005, 12:43 PM
I have 3 Walmarts in the area and notice that one had remodeled its sporting goods counter/gun area and they about cut the inventory in half and I think got rid of all the muzzleloaders as far as I could see. The other 2 are the same as they ever were. I wish I had one that sold loading supplies too. I dont like Walmart, but at least they'd have things in stock if I needed them at 3am.

Randy

R.H. Lee
July 1, 2005, 12:43 PM
Probably just a 'bidness' decision; firearms are not usually produced by slave labor in Chinese sweatshops. The profit margin just isn't there.

chaim
July 1, 2005, 01:02 PM
Its possible that Walmart is evaluating firearms sales at each of their stores and taking them out of stores where they just take up space.
+1

I know that is what they did around here a few years ago. I went into one fairly urban Walmart and all the guns were on clearance. The counter guy told me they were getting rid of guns from the more urban local stores since there weren't a lot of hunters around there and most of their guns are for hunting and most of the gun customers are hunters. Meanwhile more rural and suburban Walmarts kept their firearms counter.

CajunBass
July 1, 2005, 01:12 PM
No sign they are around here. They might phase out some models that don't sell, but they had the usualy number.

I don't know if they still do it or not, but I remember one time looking at a "special order" book at a Wal-Mart in the Richmond area, and they had handguns in there. I'll have to ask about that next time I'm in one.

TechBrute
July 1, 2005, 01:23 PM
another "i dont know, but, i've been told" stories: hillary is on the board of directors of WalMart. sounds about right. the clintons were/are big stuff here in Arkansas where the merchandizing giant WalMart is headquartered. Instead of using the internet to spread rumors and misinformation, use it to find facts.

Wal-Mart Board of Directors (http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Mainabout.jsp?pagetype=about&categoryOID=-10396&catID=-8242&template=ContentCatDisplay.jsp)

Missourigunner
July 1, 2005, 01:30 PM
No sign of it, here in Missouri where I live. All the Walmart Stores here have lots of Firearms for Sale.

grimjaw
July 1, 2005, 02:14 PM
Missourigunner, Arkansas had quite alot of them as well, and a *much* larger array of ammunition to choose from. They even had maps of the US pointing out to residents of various states who could and could not purchase firearms in the state.

Ohio, how I wish to see thy 'welcome to' sign receeding into the distance, *sigh*.

jmm

Crosshair
July 1, 2005, 02:22 PM
I work at Wal-Mart and we just got our new catalog a month ago. The website doesn't show even a part of the fun stuff we can order in. We started carrying CZ USA rifles as well as a larger selection of Howa rifles. Go into the store and look at the catalog.(You have to ask to look at it. We can call our suppliers to see if they have something not mentoned in the catalog. I'm not sure if we can still get the Ruger carbines anymore though, been awhile since I have checked. At my store we finaly started selling 357 SIG ammo. We also sold out of 10/22 rifles a week ago. (Got my name on the last one. :D ) The great part is that during christmas we get an extra 10% off one item in the store. (20% total) Guess what I have gotten then. :neener:

Matthew748
July 1, 2005, 02:38 PM
Thanks for the inside scoop Crosshair. I also noticed that the gun section of the website was screwed up a day or two ago and was wondering what was going on.

George S.
July 2, 2005, 12:27 PM
Sounds more like a problem with the website. If they were updating that part of the website, somebody could have messed up some code or a link was bad.

The Lacey, Washington Wally World sits off a main throughfare and to get to the parking lot, you have to drive by a Big 5 Sporting Goods store. I usually go in to Big 5 once a month to see what the current stock of the Mosins or other milsurp rifles look like.

After a few trips into the Big 5 and also over to Wally World Sporting Goods, I finally realized that the Big 5 carried about 4 times as many rifles and shotguns as W-W does. The back counter at this Big 5 is about 20 feet long and the racks are all along the counter and long guns are 4 deep in the racks.

At Wally World, there are two rotating display cases that could (if they were full) hold about 10-12 long guns each. Of all the times I hve gone into teh local Wally World, I have never seen more than 6 to 8 rifles and shotguns in total!

Big 5 prices are about 5% higher for comparable guns by brand and model but when you have a large selection to see and handle, I could see no reason to buy long guns at Wal-Mart at all. Ammo is cheaper there but the Big 5 has a much bigger selection of rifle calibers by both brand, bullet types, and weights.

And when you buy a rifle at the local Big 5, they alsol carry it to the cashier for you (there are no separate registers at the Big 5 gun counter) but nobody makes a big deal of it, no assistant manager has to fill out forms and triple-check inventory books and no announcement is made over the store PA system. Once you pay for it, the clerk at the register hands you the receipt, the box, and you just pick it up and leave. When you think about it, it's sorta like a gun store....

rhubarb
July 2, 2005, 01:26 PM
I don't care if they do or not. I won't buy any ammo or guns from China-R-Us anymore. Last time I tried to buy a single box of WWB 9mm, in addition to asking to see ID, they insisted that I pay there in the sporting goods department. I told them to keep it. I've since found that Academy Sports and Outdoors has WWB and $1 per box cheaper. $5.97 at WalMart vs. $4.97 at Academy. Same on Blazer Brass. And the best part is, when I walk into Academy, they hand over as much ammo as I request and ask with a smile if I want more. :D They don't give me no BS. What's more, not only does Adacemy carry handguns, they have a much wider selection of longarms at equal or better prices than Wally World. I realize that Wal*Mart is everywhere and other vendors ain't, but as for me, pee on 'em.

If I want groceries, I go to H-E-B. If I want cheap chinese junk, I go to the dollar store. Sporting goods Academy. Clothes the goodwill store. I don't need no stinkin walmart.

fistful
July 2, 2005, 01:45 PM
Yes, let's hope they get out and stay out.

MechAg94
July 2, 2005, 02:00 PM
I went to one of the new Gander Mt. here in Houston a couple weeks ago. They were selling 100 rd boxes of Winchester 9 mm FMJ for $15 (the ones that are loose in the box). They them in a center isle box like they were on clearance or something. Now, I haven't bought a lot of 9 mm, but that is pretty damn expensive in my book for FMJ.

Evil_Ed
July 2, 2005, 03:30 PM
Crosshair,
Maybe you can answer a question for me. I ordered a Marlin Cowboy Competition in 45LC from the local Melbourne Wal-Mart at the beginning of February...still haven't received it from them (get the "backorder speech every time I call them and of course they never call me back). Any idea if that is standard operating procedure for special orders? I understand it isn't exactly a frequently ordered item but I would have thought it would have been here by now especially since I was initially told it would only take 2 weeks.

Cesiumsponge
July 2, 2005, 03:53 PM
The Walmart here in Federal Way WA just remodeled a lot of their stuff, including the firearms area. I only shop there only for ammo...a lot of the people who go there are plain weird and it creeps me out otherwise. They don't carry things like 1000rnds of bulk ammo that you can order over the Internet but if you're in need for a few boxes of this and that, they work well in a pinch.

I usually end up there with my friend on "shootin' day" when he needs to buy some cheap .45 FMJ's. They recently started carrying Remington 250 round "mega packs" for under $50. I stocked up on some Winchester Super X rifled slugs in 12ga for $2.22 a pack, cheaper than Internet sources.

Some of the employees in that department suck. One girl who worked there talked to a customer before me for about 20 minutes before even acknowledging my existance. However there is an older gentleman who also works there who is awesome and never gives grief, asks questions, and never asks myself or my friends for ID, save the first time we've purchased ammo while he was working the counter. Even then, he didn't enforce any crazy despotic rules or regulations that I'm sure Walmart managers suggest. When that guy's working, all is fine and dandy; I buy my ammo, get my change, and I'm off to put holes in paper.

Guy B. Meredith
July 3, 2005, 01:18 PM
Maybe Crosshair can provide the info, but it does look like a local decision from my experience and comments here. A couple of years back I went into a Wal-Mart in an 'iffy' section of the county and noticed that they had no ammo or guns in the store (well, Daisy and paintball guns). I figured they were redlining the neighborhood. Within this year the ammo and guns have disappeared from the Pleasanton, CA store. There are some 'iffy' neighborhoods around here, but the area in general is low on crime, so I guess it is not redlining.

joab
July 3, 2005, 01:41 PM
Just went to their site.
Clicked SPORTS and the HUNTING , scrolled down and clicked rifles and a whole butt load of guns came up.

Along with instruction to order online and than go the store to pick up


Special-Order Guns Available at Wal-Mart
# Choose from a huge selection of special-order guns in our online catalog, then go to your local Wal-mart to order, purchase and pick up. Rifles
# Shotguns
# Muzzleloaders
# Combos

MassHunter2190
July 3, 2005, 01:46 PM
The local Walmarts in Western Mass stopped selling firearms a couple of months ago. Not sure why...

danny
July 3, 2005, 03:20 PM
Had a recent discussion w/ the manager of our local Wally World. It seems that the stores in Cook County Illinois (Chicago and nearby) are under lots of pressure to stop selling those evil guns because there is always a school "nearby". "Nearby" is defined by mayor daley as something like a few miles, or so.......

Peet
July 3, 2005, 04:04 PM
MassHunter2190: The local Walmarts in Western Mass stopped selling firearms a couple of months ago.True in Northampton (but that town is so gay I don't go there unless I absolutely have to). Hadley was always crappy, but I've heard stories 'bout mgt. there...

Orange still has a good selection and no sign of it going away - they were unpacking ammo when I was there a few weeks ago.

If you're in WMass in the right place, shoot up to N.H. the Wally World there is the best of the "locals" I've been to.

Peet (obvoiusly in WMass also)

grizz5675
July 3, 2005, 06:57 PM
I was told by a walmart associate that walmart was caught selling guns without having them registered and that people working for walmart were doing this for their freinds and relatives.I was also told that it lead to a 4 million dollar fine.

joab
July 3, 2005, 08:21 PM
I believe that that was just in California, a year or so ago

grimjaw
July 3, 2005, 09:20 PM
Just went to their site.
Clicked SPORTS and the HUNTING , scrolled down and clicked rifles and a whole butt load of guns came up.

Joab, if you click on the specific sections (say rifles), and then click on the action type/brand name, you *should* get a choice of rifles in a brand name. I get nothing. (1 of 0 items of this type, etc).

I think they are probably redesigning or something is broke. The rest of the site doesn't seem to be affected. I use their site alot to do price checks, and they are definitely still skewed.

jmm

joab
July 3, 2005, 09:47 PM
OK I didn't go past the page of rifle pics

I haven't bought a gun from them in years.

I waffle from Wal-Mart being a scourge on the nation to them being a semi necessary evil but it would still be a shame if another major retailer gets out of the gun business.

If nothing else having guns in a major public area visable to people who would probably never go into a dedicated gun store will certainly bring others into the community. Especially a family favorite like Great-Wall-Mart
Sorry couldn't help myself

K-Man
July 3, 2005, 11:15 PM
I asked my wife, who's one of the assistant manager types, and she said there's no word about the local Wally Worlds giving it up. The only thing she's heard is they're talking about discontinuing carrying them at individual stores if the store is within 1000 feet of a school.

TheOtherOne
July 4, 2005, 03:42 AM
I never noticed if it was down but their website is working right now:

http://www.walmart.com/guns

Joey101
July 4, 2005, 05:27 AM
I wish they (Wal-Mart) would offer more of a selection in firearms! I mean really, no handguns, no real rifles. It's BS!! I know there a discount super chain. But they could sell better stuff. Or even just a better selection.

The last time I was in Wal-Mart. They didn't have but 3 rifles, and maybe 4 shotguns. Handguns.....forget about it!!!

Ammo, another big dissapointment. You had better hope that you have a REALLY COMMON caliber! If not your outa luck at Wal-Mart.

I guess I just expect more out of a store that my family frequents more than 5 times a week!!

Bryson
July 4, 2005, 08:49 AM
Well I know that the WalMart closest to my house has a completely crap gun counter (no pistols at all, two circle racks of crappy crappy long arms, and two 10-foot shelves of common ammo). The one that's second closest to my house (but closest to my work) is the same. The guy at the counter was telling me, though, that the store he used to work at had a HUGE gun counter. Then again, he moved here from Texas...

I guess it just depends on what the store can consitantly move through their inventory in each specific location. I'll have to check out a few of the other Wal Marts here in Vegas to be sure, though.

joab
July 4, 2005, 09:48 AM
I never noticed if it was down but their website is working right now Yes, but if click on anything other than the featured rifle you either get a blank page or 1 of 0 items of this type, indicating that possibly there are none in inventory

grimjaw
July 4, 2005, 10:55 AM
there are none in inventory

Eh? They did have a few guns at the Walmart stores here. If this comment means they only have onhand what's in the stores, to me that implies they are clearing all back stock for one reason or another. I don't think that's the case, however.

I go with the idea that they just don't sell them in certain areas, probably because there's not as much of a market for it. The only chain retailer around here that has a large selection of guns on hand is Gander Mountain. I went into a Dick's Sporting Goods Saturday and their selection was smaller than any of the local retailers I've been in (Atlantic, Stonewall, B&T) There's rarely anyone manning the sporting goods counter, and the procedures for selling guns or ammunition are usually unfamiliar to the clerk performing them. It took 45 minutes to buy a lever action there, with a manager and a clerk helping me, and no other customers were present.

jmm

Crosshair
July 4, 2005, 12:14 PM
Again, ask for the catalog. We only keep common stuff on hand, but can order in anything that our suppliers carry. You would be amased at the number of people who buy a gun the day before deer/duck opener.

Stauble
July 4, 2005, 12:32 PM
i was at a Ft.Lauderdale wal-mart a few weeks ago picking up a .22 rifle
the manager did mention that they were gunna stop sellin them, but they dont seem to be stopping.
this Thread is the 1st thing ive heard bout them gettin out of the buisness since the manager of that paticular wal-mart told me

55 gr sx
July 4, 2005, 12:56 PM
Havent been able to buy guns here in abought 3 years.
they never had reloading supplys very poor sporting goods department
What comes to ca come to the rest of you latter. (you better suport your local dealers so you have place to buy 5 years or so down the road)

snowtigger
July 4, 2005, 05:23 PM
Wally-World sells handguns here but, they don't stock them. They order them from the supplier after the sale. This can take from four days(waiting period?) to three months in the case of a Springfield Armory Champion .
They have some ammo, very lottle powder and primers. No bullets.
Sportsman's warehouse is building a new store just up the street. Opens this fall. Haleluia!!!

Crosshair
July 5, 2005, 01:26 AM
Wow snowtigger handguns arn't even in the catalog we have at my store. Might have to look into that. ;)

RoyG
July 5, 2005, 07:04 AM
I bet snowtigger is in AK.

MasterPiece Arms.com
July 5, 2005, 08:56 AM
I don't understand the love for "Big 5." Their guns are waaay overpriced. They're too chicken-s to sell handguns (at least Wallys will order them in some states). To top it off, Big 5 has the words "Sporting Arms" in big yellow letters on the wall. That's the 2nd amendment equivalent to the cross in urine.

Here's what Wal Mart has done for me lately. I wanted one of those cool two shelf pistol cabinets they sell for 49.95 and they were out. I emailed my unhappiness and it was forwarded to my local supercenter and an assistant mgr, who was unable to reach me at my phone # (I keep my ringer off), actually wrote me a letter telling me to call and ask for her. She found the cabinet at a semi distant Wal Mart and had an employee drive to get it. I picked it up the other day. Then their online customer service emailed me on the 3rd telling me one would be sent to my local store. I'm gonna buy that one too (I have so many freakin handguns I like to bolt those pistol cabinets together on top of each other in a tower-currently my tower is 4 cabinets high). Sportsman's Warehouse is the only other place for these pistol cabinets but they want a full $20 more than Wal Mart. Nuts to that!

My wife works for Kmart, so I see the stark differences between the two every day. Half the time, when I pick her up after work, we head straight to Wal Mart to go shopping.

Of course I would change wal mart's lineup of guns (lose the overpriced Ruger Mini 14, add some AKs etc) but there is no disputing that Wallys is the best place on Earth to get an 870 12 or 20 ga. at an unbeatable price.

Remember when dpt stores (sears, wards, jc penney etc) used to carry guns? Since those dumps have turned into chick stores (yes even sears: overpriced Craftsman tools doesn't make up for avoiding firearms), Wal Mart has become the Sears of 1950 in several ways. Then there's Target and Shop Ko that are so feminine you won't find so much as a sham sporting goods dept.

The Chinese imports issue needs to be taken up with your congress"man" not Wal Mart. Every store is selling 90% chinese stuff. Powerful people behind the scenes decided that decades ago in secret. Nationhood and citizen ownership of it was overthrown before WWII. We've actually been living in the "New World Order" for some time. Sure, there's some consolidation that the globalists need to get done (Bush pushing CAFTA and FTAA comes to mind), and other "housekeeping measures" like banning/registering guns, but for the most part, there is no "world" anymore, only corporations.

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws" -Mayer Amschel Rothschild [International banking dynasty. There has been an identical central bank owned at least in part by the international bankers in EVERY single "nation" for the better part of a century, be it communist, fascist, a mix of both like us, or whatever. They truly don't care who makes the laws as long as they control the real power.]


"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power of money should be taken from banks and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." ~ Thomas Jefferson

MAURICE
July 5, 2005, 09:11 AM
Here in Wal-Mart country they have been remodeling stores, including sporting goods departments. The one here in Springdale just got a new gun counter. I doubt they are going to quit selling them here any time soon.

Sulaco
July 5, 2005, 09:20 AM
I have a few local Wal-Marts, two of which I frequent. One of them is the number one gun sales retail store in the state. I can almost promise they aren't quitting the gun sales business. Both stores sell a ton of guns.

They just remodeled one of them here as well. I remember going into Wal-Mart way back in the days before it was a Superstore. The gun counter was an actual counter with handguns inside and the back wall was where the long guns were kept. They they went to those wierd carousel things when they became Superstores. It looks like they are now going back to the back wall setup.

It's funny how things change but stay the same. Now if we could only get them to start selling handguns again.

foghornl
July 5, 2005, 09:28 AM
I have 2 close-by Wally Worlds...

The closest store was told by WW Corporate [according to the Sporting goods Mgr] that because of low guns sales, gun sales were being discontinued there. Other close-by WW has 3 of the revolving gun racks now. Hmmmmmm. . .

Closest store still carries ammo & other supplies, though...knives, binocs, scopes, cleaning kits bulk-pack shotgun and Winchester White Box ammo

MillCreek
July 5, 2005, 01:59 PM
I live about 25 miles north of Seattle. As far as I know, the Pacific Northwest in general, and the Seattle area in specific, was one of the last places in the country to get Wal-Marts. All of the Wal-Marts in the Seattle area are less than five years old, if I recall correctly. The two closest to my house are less than three years old.

The ones up here are all in relatively suburban areas, and as such, the sporting goods department in general, and firearms in specific, is nothing spectacular. I have been in Wal-Marts in other areas of the country, in more rural or hunting areas, and those stores have far more stock than ours.

So although I am a Wal-Mart neophyte, compared to other areas of the country that have had them for decades, I suspect that the suburban stores are less likely to carry firearms and related items solely due to lesser demand.

tuna
July 5, 2005, 03:29 PM
They've just opened up a new one in W-Mass (Chicopee), new as in less than 6 months old. They've got the firearms rack and just started putting ammo in the shelves, and from what I've seen they have the permit to sell firearms. So I think they're just being slow in stocking the shelves with rifles / shotguns just to keep us waiting (or maybe it DOES take a while for them to get a gun in, special order or not). I think if they were getting out of the gun business, they wouldn't have put in the racks.

grimjaw
July 8, 2005, 10:07 AM
The firearms section of Walmart's website is back up. As was previously forecast in this thread by another member, now they have CZ listed for sale, kewl.

jmm

c_yeager
July 8, 2005, 10:21 AM
We started carrying CZ USA rifles as well as a larger selection of Howa rifles.

Neat, I checked the catalogue and it seems that walmart isnt carrying any of the funkier CZs. Are there plans to expand to the CZs other bolt actions?

Crosshair
July 8, 2005, 03:29 PM
c_yeager

Neat, I checked the catalogue and it seems that walmart isnt carrying any of the funkier CZs. Are there plans to expand to the CZs other bolt actions?

Looks like they have most of, if not all, the CZ rifles that are listed in the catalog. You may want to look up the CZ rifle you want, get a model number and have them (At wal-Mart) call the supplier to see if they carry it. If our supplier carries it, we can get it, even if it is not in the catalog. I have a copy of the catalog (Arn't digital cameras wonderfull. :D ) however I'm not going to post it since I don't know if I would get in trouble for doing so. :uhoh:

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