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GregGry
July 3, 2005, 01:31 AM
A couple days ago I was the a firing range, trying out a glock. As I was loading the magazine, I noticed a huge (about 320 pound) guy come in, and pull what appeared to be a glock, out of a case. He starts loading his magazine right when I prepared to fire. I did a quick cycle of 10 shots, and popped the magazine out, and sat the gun on the counter top in the stall I was in. I went to the table behind me to grab a new paper target, and I noticed the big guy was going to fire. I noticed that his paper target was about 5 feet in front of were the edge of his firearms barrel was:what:, I guess he was trying to practice point blank shooting lol.

I looked away so I could grab my paper target. I heard him shoot a round off, and right after I saw light from muzzle flash (and the boom), I heard some concrete falling. Curious, I turned around and I moved a little to the right so I could see what happened, and I noticed that his paper target had no holes in it (the target is huge, the silhouette was about equivalent of a 250 pound man), and I noticed dust still falling from the wall that was to the right of him. He totally missed the target, and ended up having the bullet graze the wall :eek:.

Since I didn't see his firearm right before he shot, I am assuming that he had an accidental discharge. I mean nobody is so horrible that they couldn't hit that big of a target from 5 feet away :what: or do people like that exist?
Needless to say I left the range soon after wards, I wasn't going to take any chances. What about you guys, have any similar experiences :uhoh:

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TimboKhan
July 3, 2005, 01:50 AM
I shall blame the Glock....

Joejojoba111
July 3, 2005, 01:59 AM
Was he doing some sort of quick-draw?

4v50 Gary
July 3, 2005, 02:01 AM
Shot the ceiling. Racked the slide, brought the gun up into Full Sabrina (two handed hold with gun pointed up in the air - great for a photo of a pretty gal with a gun but poor for gunhandling) with finger on trigger. Then KaBoom! :uhoh: Glad no one was hurt. He needs to learn safe handling. :scrutiny:

GregGry
July 3, 2005, 02:03 AM
Was he doing some sort of quick-draw?

I don't believe so, I saw him slowly raise his arms, I couldn't see the firearm directly. I am thinking maybe he tried firing, realized he didn't have a round in the chamber, cocked it, and somehow discharged it by accident.

Whatever he did wrong, if he does it on a regular basis, he should have a gun lol.

GregGry
July 3, 2005, 02:07 AM
Shot the ceiling. Racked the slide, brought the gun up into Full Sabrina (two handed hold with gun pointed up in the air - great for a photo of a pretty gal with a gun but poor for gunhandling) with finger on trigger. Then KaBoom! Glad no one was hurt. He needs to learn safe handling Haha...

I think he probably just discharged it by accident. The range was the worst I have ever been on, each stall was way too narrow. There was about 7 small stalls, rather then having 6 ok sized ones. My sholders would rub against the wall to the left and right of me :uhoh: That big guy probably didn't have enough room to properly shoot...

Cesiumsponge
July 3, 2005, 02:50 AM
Been to a couple of indoor ranges. I always wondered who and how all those holes in the ceiling, walls, hangers/rail system thing, and floors were made. I was (thankfully) never around when there was a new hole made on something other than the paper targets.

GregGry
July 3, 2005, 03:15 AM
Yeah, the range I was at was really bad when it comes ot bullet holes. Everywhere I looked I saw a hole :eek:. I wont be going back there, thats for sure.

Black Majik
July 3, 2005, 04:57 AM
I blame it on Glock's grip angle. :D

bogie
July 3, 2005, 07:14 AM
Hey, I'll admit it... I was at a conservation range here, fiddling with a jam in a Ruger .22, and finally got it to go into battery. Okay...

Luckily, all I ventilated was the roof.

Len
July 3, 2005, 12:49 PM
Depending on the season, or the amount of time I have, I'll shoot both indoor ranges and out...at the indoor [very nice and modern facility] the only thing I've ever really been worried/surprised about was a bullet hole in the resistant glass behind the shooters stations!

Soon after noticing that, they put up a sign stating that all loading was to be done at the individual shooter's stations...making me assume that someone screwed up while loading?!

Pays to keep your situational awareness up...even or especially at the ranges.

TarpleyG
July 3, 2005, 12:52 PM
At the range yesterday, typical gangbanger-type next to me starts blazing away with his Glock, one-handed (not sure if it was sideways or not), full magazine dispensed, two shots on a typical silhouette target at 6 yds. LOL.

Greg

Khaotic
July 3, 2005, 01:10 PM
typical gangbanger-type next to me starts blazing away with his Glock, one-handed (not sure if it was sideways or not),

It wasn't - you didn't hear any screams, did you ?

If you really hold most automatic pistols that way, the ejected brass will fly right back into your face at high speed, right around eye level.

Bad BAD idea.. but don't take my word for it, ask any ER Staff in LA how many folks they get in with face/eye damage from this lameass stunt.

-K

peacefuljeffrey
July 3, 2005, 04:01 PM
I don't believe so, I saw him slowly raise his arms, I couldn't see the firearm directly. I am thinking maybe he tried firing, realized he didn't have a round in the chamber, cocked it, and somehow discharged it by accident.

Ugh! You did not just refer to chambering a round in a Glock as "cocking it" -- did you?? :barf:


Whatever he did wrong, if he does it on a regular basis, he should have a gun lol.

I'm going to assume you meant "should NOT have a gun"...

-Jeffrey

TimboKhan
July 3, 2005, 04:02 PM
you know, simply for the sake of having a little fun, I have shot my P90 sideways, and I never got dinged by brass. Not only did I not hit myself with brass, I didn't hit the target with lead, but that was sort of expected.

peacefuljeffrey
July 3, 2005, 04:02 PM
At the range yesterday, typical gangbanger-type next to me starts blazing away with his Glock, one-handed (not sure if it was sideways or not), full magazine dispensed, two shots on a typical silhouette target at 6 yds. LOL.


That's two too many.

-Jeffrey

Peter M. Eick
July 3, 2005, 05:12 PM
We get the typical gangbanger types out at the public range I go to. Very entertaining to watch them shoot. I had one ask how I could shoot so well and I politely said I practiced. I then commented that most CHL holders practice a fair bit. You never know when you might have to defend yourself against some gang banger who can't hit the broadside of a barn. His response was "yeah, I dig it". I doubt he ever figured out I was refering to his type.

Cesiumsponge
July 3, 2005, 05:21 PM
I then commented...You never know when you might have to defend yourself against some gang banger who can't hit the broadside of a barn.
:D

That reminds me of the outdoor range time I got on Friday. I probably erased it from my mind temporarily because I was pissed about it. When we got there, we saw two younger guys with a pistol grip 12ga shotgun firing off slugs up and down the lanes of the rifle range for no reason other than to shoot the plywood target stands I would guess. My friend and I was there took the two rightmost lanes and another fellow on the leftmost lane while these two clowns were running between us blowing stuff away.

Needless to say, the guy on the leftmost lane left and later returned with a range officer who gave them a stern screamin' to. After calling a cold range, we went to get our targets and I heard some yelling. I turned around to see the RO yelling at the shotgun wonders for carrying and fondling their gun while myself and the other fellow were on the range. Argh :barf:

grizz5675
July 3, 2005, 05:39 PM
it may have been a reload that squibbed

Standing Wolf
July 3, 2005, 08:55 PM
I've seen lots of people miss at five feet. If you clench your teeth, squinch your eyes closed, take a deep breath, and start trembling in fear, you, too, can miss at five feet.

Tokugawa
July 3, 2005, 09:07 PM
JEEEZZZ_ and I thought it was just my normally held Kimber that blasted empty casings at my eyes.. every time I shoot it I have at least five or six cases hit me in the face.

Rupestris
July 3, 2005, 09:08 PM
Reminds me of the time I was at the indoor range when a woman came in who appeared to either be a security guard or a part time police officer.
Runs her target out to about 7 yards, fires about 5 rounds and the whole target hanger assembly came crashing down.

She shot the cable!! :eek:

Joejojoba111
July 3, 2005, 09:10 PM
"I have shot my P90 sideways"

I'm still pretty jealous, but not as jealous as when I thought you had an FN, as per my initial reading.

Black Majik
July 4, 2005, 02:29 AM
Oh man... I just had to comment again.

I stopped by the range today, some guy with a shaved head and goatie, kinda weird lookin' shot next to me today. (Left side)

Brought out his beautiful Stainless Custom II. At least he has good taste!

Fired off what looked like two magazines worth. First 4 shots missed the target at 15 yards (At least this was farther out than the original poster's gangbanger). Finally the 5th shot hit the right arm. I stopped shooting because his brass was ejecting into my booth. :( But I did watch and enjoyed it too.

By the end of a few magazines, I coulda used his target since there weren't any holes in the bullseye. :D


The guy to my right though was rockin' his Beretta 92FS, shot the hell outta the 10 ring. I admired his target. :evil:

nyresq
July 4, 2005, 04:36 AM
That's two too many.

-Jeffrey


hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.... :D

TarpleyG
July 4, 2005, 08:43 AM
JEEEZZZ_ and I thought it was just my normally held Kimber that blasted empty casings at my eyes.. every time I shoot it I have at least five or six cases hit me in the face.
You need to adjust your extractor then...try doing a search for a how-to.

Greg

C-grunt
July 4, 2005, 11:18 AM
I was at the indoor range a while back when a gal three boths down shot the wall ( I was on the far right) about two feet in front of me :cuss: . She had to have had her boyfriends 1911 ( really nice, couldnt tell the make) pointed completely to the right when she fired. A range officer witnessed this and kicked her out.

Same range.... One day there was a brittish guy in there who rentd a 1911 and fired off a whole 50 round box without EVER hitting the target at less than 10 yards :scrutiny: . I walked over to him and asked him if he knew what he was doing and he responded that he had never even seen a firearm. I showed him how to use the pistol and he had a wonderfull time afterwards. :D

JohnKSa
July 4, 2005, 05:33 PM
I was shooting next to a fellow with a nice pistol & a laser sight back when laser sights were just starting to catch on.

I remembe watching the laser dot scoot wildly around on the target in a random pattern. Occasionally you'd hear a shot and a hole would appear where the laser had just been. This was at about 5-7 yards range and the resulting "pattern" was abysmal. I never could figure out what the shooter was thinking. Surely he HAD to realize that if the dot didn't stay still for awhile he had no chance of making good hits...

TimboKhan
July 4, 2005, 06:05 PM
Same range.... One day there was a brittish guy in there who rentd a 1911 and fired off a whole 50 round box without EVER hitting the target at less than 10 yards . I walked over to him and asked him if he knew what he was doing and he responded that he had never even seen a firearm. I showed him how to use the pistol and he had a wonderfull time afterwards.

Among many other reasons, this is a great example of why I hate watching the television news anymore. They make it sound like shooting is just the simplest little thing in the world, and its obviously not. Good job helping the guy out though, C-Grunt...

GregGry
July 4, 2005, 09:49 PM
I'm going to assume you meant "should NOT have a gun"... Hahaha, yes you are right.. I don't know I slipped that one.

I like everyones stories, they make mine look tame :what:.

Hawkmoon
July 4, 2005, 11:08 PM
I've seen lots of people miss at five feet. If you clench your teeth, squinch your eyes closed, take a deep breath, and start trembling in fear, you, too, can miss at five feet.
No ... I can't. Honest. I really can't. Not a silhouette-sized target. I probably can't score a clean head shot, but I doubt very much I could miss the paper.

pauli
July 4, 2005, 11:21 PM
even with the rather minimal range time i've racked up, i've watched people disarticulate target holders at 15 yards, shoot down ceiling tiles at 7 yards, and i don't know WHAT happened when i took my sister to the range, but SOMETHING produced a lump of lead spread out to over an inch in diameter that flew back and hit the back wall of the range, and then my sister's leg. at this point, i wish i'd kept the darn thing.

R.H. Lee
July 4, 2005, 11:29 PM
Very infrequently we get somebody like that. The rangemaster is usually all over them like dirty diapers for safety violations. We never see 'em again.

Khaotic
July 5, 2005, 05:16 AM
One thing I learned about target ranges, especially indoor!

You never, ever, wanna be in the lane to the immediate right of the fellow who's just brought a .50 DE to the range. :eek:

Not only did his muzzleblast near deafen me (hearing protection notwithstanding)... but his brass kept hittin me in the top of the head! :mad:

Do the world a favor... if you lug your hand cannon to the range, ask for a far-right lane ? please ?

-K

Too Many Choices!?
July 5, 2005, 11:30 AM
I qualified for concealed carry with mine. On the shooting portion, we shot ranges of 7 15 and 25 , and maybe one more I can't remember but anyway I only had two misses(jerked instead of pulling the trigger) and two shots out side the center or vitals(jerked the trigger).... The only bad thing is I missed the close up ones(cause I was a little nervous and wanted to make it), and after I settled down I nailed everthing past 15 yrds :eek:, even the double taps! I could cover my targets group(minus the two misses and two out of center fliers)of 46 shots from a Glock 23 in .40 S&W with a 6" circle. 4 shots to the neck that woulda blow the perps head off, damn I'm good :D , even with a Glock :neener:. PS I scored a 238/250,second highes in my class...And I hadn't even shot the gun much when I took the class...

Old NFO
July 5, 2005, 06:20 PM
A couple of years ago I was firing for qualification on a police range in South Carolina. There was a new hire female officer in the next lane, and we shot the normal timed 50 rounds out to 25 yards. She only had 3 of 50 rounds on her target- the rest ended up on mine :what: (I got credit for a perfect score) :D

The RO and I both looked at her pistol (H&K .40), it looked like someone had beaten the rear sight with a hammer, the sight was barely hanging onto the right side of the slide,:banghead:

When questioned, she "admitted" the pistol, holster and belt had gotten slammed in her car door the week before, and she never told anyone! :eek:

After repairs, she tried another qual and on one string and managed to miss her holster while trying to reholster after the string. At that point, I left the area!!!

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