What The BATF Barrel Ban Means!


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recon
July 3, 2005, 07:18 PM
Global Trades-JimmyStreetman
http://www.warrifles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614



As most of you know, we are both a licensed importer and a licensed manufacturer of firearms. I have been closely involved in this for nearly 10 years now, and have acquired a very expensive education in the firearms laws involved. I would like to clarify a bit of the background on this issue.

First, I do not yet have the actual ATF correspondence. We have two fax lines registered to them, and there is nothing on either. There may be letters in the mail.

I do have a fax from my Washington attorneys telling me that processing of Form 6 (Import permit) applications for “non-sporting firearms and barrels” is suspended. I would like explain the background as to what this means, but I don’t have time and patience to type it all out now.

For now, let me go over the immediate implications of what this means if I understand it correctly.

It means that no new permits will be issued for any barrels for firearms that are not importable under current regulations. These barrels and also receivers for non-importable firearms have been imported since 2000 under an “exemption” for replacement or repair purposes. This exemption has been ended, and I am sure the logic will be that it has been abused.

One issue that is not clear is whether existing permits will be honored. They may well be suspended or otherwise altered. In any event, permits are for one year, and define the number of items that can be imported. So in a year or less, all permits will have expired. And even before then, the number permitted on all of the permits may well be reached. There has been a further tale that on existing permits, barrels will have to be marked “repair or replacement” and even serialized. I don’t know if this is true. I have been told it is by someone who may well know.

What this all means if it is correct is that AK parts kits as we know them will disappear in the immediate future. The barrels will have to be removed from future kits, either by taking all of the parts off, or by cutting or otherwise destroying them. In Europe, they drill 5 holes through the chamber and the barrel areas. This does make them pretty useless.

So the number of kits in the US now may be all we will see in their current form. Future kits will require more processing, and will have to add a US-made barrel, which is not a cheap item. And authentic reproductions of military AKs will become less authentic.

Also the imported Imbel FN/FAL receivers will disappear. I don’t know of any imported AK receivers now, though there were rumors of some Hungarian 10 round ones.

Here is what it doesn’t mean:
1. What you can do with a parts set already in the US is not changed.
2. Manufacturing receivers or barrels here is not affected.
3. It does not change any of the regulations involving your building of your own firearms.

It does mean that parts sets will go up in price. The supply is going to be limited, and the demand won’t be. I won’t be able to replace what I have, so my incentive to sell them cheap is pretty low. We have our Tantal kits priced pretty high now, so I don’t anticipate raising the price. I of course reserve the right to do so if the market changes drastically. There may be others who will continue to sell cheaply as if they could replace the kits at the price they paid before. My advice is to buy as many as you need at current prices. I do think they will go up.

There are a lot of parts kits in the US now. I personally know of 15,000 or so in my hands and other places I know about. I suspect that there may be twice this many totally. But this is not enough to supply the market very long, and they will run thin before we can react by producing new kits with US-made barrels. Please remember that sellers and buyers have opposite jobs. Sellers are obligated to sell as high as they can; buyers are obligated to buy as cheaply as they can. Somewhere between a bargain is struck.

In the long run this is horrible for us also. Parts kits are a big part of my business, and it is suddenly getting as complicated as the importation of rifles.

One final note—this does not apply to complete firearms imported as sporting rifles unless they change something else. This applies to barrels imported as parts only.

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Standing Wolf
July 3, 2005, 09:53 PM
...I am sure the logic will be that it has been abused.

If any agency ought to know about abuse...!

Crosshair
July 3, 2005, 11:09 PM
Should I put that SAIGA AK I was looking at on layaway or does this only apply to parts kits?

kal
July 4, 2005, 01:39 AM
Why do complain about spending money on US made parts!? Aren't they BETTER than the foreign counterparts?

White Horseradish
July 4, 2005, 01:48 AM
Kal, that would be because the only way I would have a MBR in .308 that was all-american would be if Hi-Point made it.

Steelcore
July 4, 2005, 09:54 AM
ATF is in the process of moving from DC to Martinsburg West Virginia.Could this be the reason that approval of Form 6s have been suspended?Its hard to work on a Form 6 if its in a box in a truck somewhere.I have also heard that the majority of ATF employees have decided NOT to make the move.So ATF has to hire and train new employees.

Kharn
July 4, 2005, 10:31 AM
I have also heard that the majority of ATF employees have decided NOT to make the move.So ATF has to hire and train new employees.I'd heard most of the NFA branch employees were specifically not being offered relocation. :evil:

Kharn

ckyllo
July 4, 2005, 11:31 AM
dont alot of the aks that enter the country come in as single stacked sporting rifles and than us parts are added to it and evil features added? thought I read somthing that century arms imports their ak clones that way. gonna stink for the G3 and cetmes.

benEzra
July 4, 2005, 11:49 AM
Why do complain about spending money on US made parts!? Aren't they BETTER than the foreign counterparts?
When you're talking about eastern-bloc firearms, not necessarily. The lowest-grade parts on Romanian AK lookalikes are the U.S.-made trigger group and such. The barrel and so on are very high quality, and chome lined to boot.

Kharn
July 4, 2005, 12:30 PM
dont alot of the aks that enter the country come in as single stacked sporting rifles and than us parts are added to it and evil features added? Yes, thats what will be most interesting about this, how it will affect Saigas & WASRs.

Kharn

Zundfolge
July 4, 2005, 02:44 PM
So, does that mean that nobody else will be importing those Glock and Steyr carbine kits?

I have one for my Steyr M40.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21479

I just can't imagine it being considered "sporting purpose"

if thats the case I think I'll pack mine up and stop shooting it. :(
(maybe it will go up in value :) )

TallPine
July 4, 2005, 07:13 PM
And remember ... this is all from an administration that is supposedly "gun friendly" ... :rolleyes:

Zundfolge
July 4, 2005, 10:37 PM
And remember ... this is all from an administration that is supposedly "gun friendly" ... :rolleyes:

1. The BATFE is always anti-gun regardless of who is in the white house ... Ron Paul could be the president and the BATFE would still pull this crap.

2. Oh yeah, I forgot what a wonderful "gun friendly" administration the Gore and Kerry administrations would have been :rolleyes:

Crosshair
July 5, 2005, 01:38 AM
Got the last 20" SAIGA .308 the local store had on layaway today. I know the ban doesn't directly affect this, but I am still covering my butt. :uhoh:

Commissar Gribb
July 5, 2005, 03:34 AM
Why do complain about spending money on US made parts!? Aren't they BETTER than the foreign counterparts?

the point is that now people have a choice. When the foreign parts kits start drying up, the american rifles (arsenal AK's for example) may be the only choice for a lot of people who can't find foreign models. this in turn will drive up prices on american parts and rifles.

PvtPyle
July 5, 2005, 11:02 AM
the american rifles (arsenal AK's for example) may be the only choice for a lot of people who can't find foreign models

Aesenal may be the only game in town for the moment, but that wont last long. :evil:

recon
July 6, 2005, 12:15 AM
Looks like its not going to happen! For now!
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143780

PvtPyle
July 6, 2005, 12:32 AM
There are a few people who have been around the NFA circut long enough to establish contacts that we mortals will never have. Dan Shea is one of them. His contacts in ATF say it is a done deal. If Dan says it, you can bet it is a fact. Those who know him know he is not one to push the rumor mill or put out BS. Doubt it all you want but just about everyone is raising their prices in order to fill the retirement accounts. Dont exactly blame them, if you waited this long (like i did....) tough luck.

hifi
July 6, 2005, 12:39 AM
And remember ... this is all from an administration that is supposedly "gun friendly" ...

1. The BATFE is always anti-gun regardless of who is in the white house ... Ron Paul could be the president and the BATFE would still pull this crap.

2. Oh yeah, I forgot what a wonderful "gun friendly" administration the Gore and Kerry administrations would have been

Nobody said Gore/Kerry was good and nobody said the BATFE was good. The Bush buttlickers just can't stand it when someone speaks the truth for a minute.

c_yeager
July 6, 2005, 03:09 AM
This SHOULDNT effect weapons that are currently being imported legally as assembled weapons. From the reading it would appear that barrels from rifles that would have been unimportable will no longer be imported. So, that means that anything that was once a machingun or a non-approved import (by 922) will not be coming into this country. In a nutshell, anything that came into this country in the form of a kit of any kind is not going to be coming in anymore. That amounts to just about

Rifles that we coming in fully assembled (Saiga, VEPR) should be unaffected though. I THINK that the romanian rifles should be OK as well, but im not 100% sure on that. What i am particularly curious about are the bulgarian Arsenal rifles. These rifles are primarily assembled in the U.S. an american-made recievers however i believe that the barrels are imported seperately from Bulgaria. I really hope this doesnt put these guys out of business as well. It goes without saying that people who make a living on parts guns are going to be looking for work if this turns out to be how it looks.

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