Were M60 tanks...


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TNGO
July 4, 2005, 07:06 PM
...ever armed with a 120mm gun, or were they only equipped with the 105?

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Rebar
July 4, 2005, 07:22 PM
They were 90mm. The M1 tank was originally 105mm, until they were upgraded to M1A1 with the 120mm.

Sistema1927
July 4, 2005, 07:42 PM
The M60 carried a 105mm gun.

"BMP, 800 yards, HEAT"; "Up"; "On the way!"

Preacherman
July 4, 2005, 07:50 PM
Rebar, the M47/M48's had 90mm. guns as built, although later versions were upgraded to 105mm. The M60 had a 105mm. gun from the start. See here (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m60.htm) for more information on the latter.

TNGO
July 4, 2005, 08:06 PM
Not to hijack my own thread, but on a related note, has anyone seen these die-cast tanks (www.forcesofvalor.com/series.aspx?series_id=1)?

They're pretty neat; I've just begun to collect them.

Gunsnrovers
July 4, 2005, 08:17 PM
The Israeli's took the M60 to the next level with their Magach series and the Sabra.

The Sabra sports a redesigned turret and 120mm main gun. At one point, I believe this was looked at by Turkey, but I don't know if the deal ever went through.

mnrivrat
July 4, 2005, 08:32 PM
TNGO , The diecast tanks you refer too are available on ebay on a regular basis.

blacksuit
July 4, 2005, 08:58 PM
Gunner sabot tank, Identified, Up, fire, on the away...Boom

target cease fire, driver back down

mondocomputerman
July 5, 2005, 12:54 AM
Just saw a M60 in Mobile Alabama on Thursday. Here is the specs that I took a picture of.

Justin
July 5, 2005, 12:59 AM
The M1 tank was originally 105mm, until they were upgraded to M1A1 with the 120mm. Yep. Fun fact: if you go to the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox, the M1 Abrams they have on display out front is an example of the early model, and still includes the 105 mm gun.

4v50 Gary
July 5, 2005, 02:07 AM
I don't think we ever upgraded our own M60s to have the 120mm gun. We switched over to the M1 Abrams for that cannon.

BTW, you gotta love some of these small towns. They're National Guard outfit is a tank unit and they have a few tanks parked outside their armory. Too bad they don't hold open house and let the kiddies play on them. I'd go right now. :p

Hey MondoComputerman - Is that the bow of the Battleship Alabama in the background?

heypete
July 5, 2005, 02:21 AM
Remember: If you hear "oh, ????!" after "on the way!", you're probably not going to be promoted anytime soon...

det.pat
July 5, 2005, 02:32 AM
if you want to play on an m60 tank all you have to do is go to the saltsburg pa american legion post, they have one in the pkg lot.
pat

Azrael256
July 5, 2005, 02:49 AM
Is that the bow of the Battleship Alabama in the background? That it 'tis. It's a really neat museum. Aside from the 31 flavors of awesome that come from a battleship, they also have a P-51D, an F-105, and the coolest of the cool, an A-12.

Commissar Gribb
July 5, 2005, 03:21 AM
what kind of tank is ideal in a SHTF scenario? What ammo is most available in surplus? Gas mileage? reliablility?

KriegHund
July 5, 2005, 03:33 AM
Rofl ^^^^^

Amazing how we leaped form the m-60 to the abrams :eek:

Silent-Snail
July 5, 2005, 03:39 AM
We have one of those sitting outside the Sheriff(SP?) Station. We also have a Sabre Jet and a 3" naval gun from the Spanish American War.

Khaotic
July 5, 2005, 05:59 AM
what kind of tank is ideal in a SHTF scenario? What ammo is most available in surplus? Gas mileage? reliablility?

Bwahahahahaha

T-72 running on biodiesel ?
You'd never get good reliability out of anything with treads, armor needs a LOT of support in the field as a general rule, and is mostly used for...
(wait for it)
Shooting the hell out of the other guys armor units.

Now if you really, realllllly wanted some SHTF "armor" get something with an air-cooled diesel (run on biodiesel), solid tires, and enough armor to stand off small arms.
Something like, sayyy... this.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/armored_cars/sdKfz234.html

Ask a silly question... :rolleyes:

-K

GEM
July 5, 2005, 11:48 AM
If the gummint came to take your guns in a M-60, would you rather have a 1911 or a Glock?

The M-60 had that British 105mm which is now all over the world. I think the Chinese got it from the Israelis who got in from us who got in from the Brits.

I just finished a book about the Yom Kippur war - very interesting. It was really touch and go for the Israelis as they overestimated the utility of tanks vs. Egyptian infantry loaded with AT weapons.

red_devil1469
July 5, 2005, 11:51 AM
If you are near VA and want to see some armor go here.
http://www.aaftankmuseum.com/

buzz_knox
July 5, 2005, 12:03 PM
Amazing how we leaped form the m-60 to the abrams

Not really. The M60 was effectively a stop gap tank, using updated fire controls and armament but still based on a design that had its origins in the heavy tank of WWII, beginning with the M26 Pershing. The Abrams was the next step, but was long overdue.

mondocomputerman
July 5, 2005, 12:57 PM
Yeah, that's the Alabama. Been there before, this trip I didn't have time to go on it. Figured I'd take a few pictures though. Here are the pics of the pershing tank they have. Looks a lot better than the sherman.

captain obvious
July 5, 2005, 01:52 PM
IIRC, the M68 105mm Rifled Gun (US version of the UK L7) was a quick replacement for the 152mm Shelagh gun/missile combination (used on the M60A2, I think) - that gun proved to be more trouble than it was worth, and despite that was still used on the Sheridan.

Justin
July 5, 2005, 02:16 PM
what kind of tank is ideal in a SHTF scenario? For the survivalist on a budget, this is just the thing:

Behold! The Badonkadonk (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00067F1CE/ref=pd_sxp_f/102-0444819-7803324?v=glance&s=miscellaneous)

benEzra
July 5, 2005, 03:07 PM
what kind of tank is ideal in a SHTF scenario?
Oh, no. I can see it now.

"What is the best load for hunting APC's?"

"My third cousin's uncle's brother in Iraq said M1A2's jam if you don't clean them every 2 hours, but he saw a T-90 that was buried in quicksand for five years, and it started right up"

"The 120mm is a poodle shooter, get a 125mm"

"125mm is inaccurate eastern-bloc crap, get a 120mm"

"Is Rheinmetall POS?"

"HELP--120mm double-feeding, suggestions?"

"Which MBT best for defense against zombie armored cav?"

:neener:

Control Group
July 5, 2005, 03:20 PM
OK, I admit this isn't terribly gun-related, but it's related to this thread...and I haven't been able to get a good answer in quite a bit of searching online (maybe I'm just hitting the wrong places, or using the wrong terms). So here's hoping somebody can answer a question I've had for a while now:

What's the difference between Mechanized Infantry and Armored Cavalry? Is there one? Is it a stupid question to begin with?

All the people I know who are/were in the military are Navy or Air Force...

NMshooter
July 5, 2005, 03:32 PM
Even though I was Air Force myself I can answer that one. :)

Armored Cavalry has a higher ratio of tanks to IFVs than Mechanized Infantry.

Cav units usually have organic scout and attack helo assets, and other stuff, since they are intended to operate on their own.

There are a couple Field Manuals you might want to check out on the subject, maybe someone with access will help you out.

MechAg94
July 5, 2005, 04:34 PM
Auto-loaders versus manual loading? :)



SHTF tank? I would rather have a set of anti-armor rockets with reloads. I don't have anywhere to put a tank. :)

richyoung
July 5, 2005, 05:24 PM
What's the difference between Mechanized Infantry and Armored Cavalry? Is there one? Is it a stupid question to begin with?

Primarily, the difference is organization and mission. A mechanized Infantry unit is infantry with its own, organic armored vehicles, (in these days, Bradleys), they are organized in companies, battalions, brigades, and divisions. In larger units, (brigades and above) they have tank, artillery, air defence, aviation, support, and scouting (which may be cavalry!) units attached to them. In smaller units, (battalion and below), they contribute the infantry weapons such as the Javelin ATGM, the Stinger, their rifles and machine guns, as well as the firepoer of their Bradleys, to a "task force" that will also have these other combat elements assigned to them. They fight the main offense or defense, or provide security in an area by manning checkpoints, etc. Cavaly are organized in troup (equivalent to company), regiment, brigade, division. A "regiment", unlike an infantry battalion, has its own artillery and other units organic to itself - so it is more capable of independant action. Consequently, cavaly units tend to fill different missions - they are more likely to be used for scouting, delay, economy of force, mobile reserve (cavalry riding tot he rescue....etc.), reaction force, etc. While in theory, either could do the other's mission, a cavalry unit is better prepared by training, organization, and doctrine for the types of missions I've listed for them, whereas the Infantry fights as part of the larger offense or defense. Hope this helps - others correct me where I may have errred.

El Tejon
July 5, 2005, 05:49 PM
Gary, lol, funny you mention that. My father worked for Allison Gas Turbine in Indy (before sold to Brits).

In late '70s I got to play on an M60 and some newfangled critter called an XM-1 (Allison had the transmission) at his work. XM-1, just the thing for traffic delays. :D

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