Underrated fighting tools, part XIV: S&W 908


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Marko Kloos
March 20, 2003, 05:01 PM
Here's one that never catches the fancy of the "high speed, low drag" crowd: the S&W 908.

It's a single-stack 9mm, the budget version of the S&W 3913. The factory cut some corners by leaving the slide and frame more squared than on the rounded 3913. It also has a single-sided safety, and plastic sights instead of steel ones. Other than that, it carries and shoots just like the more expensive 3913 and 3913LS.

These are highly underrated guns: they don't look "sexy", they're not adorned with tactical doodads, and they're thoroughly average in every respect. On the plus side, they put the bullets where you want them, they have a slim grip profile for easy concealment, and they're boringly reliable. Here's a perfectly serviceable and competent little carry gun that doesn't get a lot of fanfare due to its "budget" nature.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~lendringser/images/sw908_l.jpg

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JohnGill
March 20, 2003, 07:38 PM
Actually I've been interested in this pistol for sometime but see very little information on it. What I do find is always positive. Now
I see where they have a stainless model too. I'm in the market for a second ccw piece so I'll take a closer look. I like 'em. What are the prices like and what do you think of the magazine safety?
Best,
John

Tamara
March 20, 2003, 08:05 PM
On the plus side, they put the bullets where you want them, they have a slim grip profile for easy concealment, and they're boringly reliable.

...and truthfully, what more do you really need a gun to do?

I think it's a swell little pistol, but you already know that. :D

itgoesboom
March 20, 2003, 08:33 PM
I was just checking one of these out a couple weeks ago, and i was very impressed. Very thin, points naturally, and seems very well built.

Only thing i didn't like was that its only DA/SA, i would much prefer something that can be carried C&L.

I.G.B.

Spackler
March 20, 2003, 08:38 PM
Love the 3913/3914/908. I've always thought the 3913 was the best semi-auto S&W ever produced.

The 908 is now available in stainless, as the 908S. I prefer it over the new "TSW" 3913 with the accessory rail doodad. I like the single-sided safety, and although I like Novak sights, I don't think the plastic Smith "value" sight is all that bad, and they certainly shouldn't be hard to replace for something a little more durable.

DeltaElite
March 20, 2003, 08:56 PM
I think the Smith autos are good guns, but they don't fit my hand well at all, so I haven't owned one in over a decade.
I do see a Smith 10mm auto in my future though. :D

Longbow
March 20, 2003, 10:36 PM
I like the 6906! Lots of quality used ones at the shows. If I haven't got my keltec, I'll definitely get one. Oh ...what the heck..I'll get one someday!:)

Schuey2002
March 20, 2003, 11:00 PM
Hmmm,

That knife looks alot like the one Tamara posted awhile back. ;)

These are highly underrated guns:
The same thing also applies to the 59 series as well.:)

SouthpawShootr
March 20, 2003, 11:09 PM
Several years ago my dad had a 4516 that I liked. He didn't want to part with it and I didn't want to pay a mint for a new one. Then I ran across a 457 (value series version of 4516 only with aluminum frame). I bought it, thinking it would probably make a good beater. I don't think that in the 5 years that I've had it, it has ever jammed. It is extremely reliable and I still like it. I still carry it from time to time. It now wears a set of PT night sights. Other than that, it is all stock and original.

I was going to get a 908, but before I found one, my regular dealer got a new 3913TSW (no rail) that he was trying to unload for a steal. I may still pick up a 908 if I find the right one. Smith's value series guns, in my experience, are definitely good values and they are starting to make them with stainless slides, too. About the only problem one could encounter is if you should left-handed (I'm left-handed, but shooting is the only thing I do right-handed - the early corrupting influence of conformist minded right-handers).

Kahr carrier
March 21, 2003, 06:14 AM
I like the S&W autos,especially the 3913 reliable and small.:D

LIProgun
March 21, 2003, 10:07 AM
Another vote here in favor of the 908. A good gun at a good price.

I wasn't wild about the plastic guide rod, and replaced it with a steel one made for the 3914. It worked just fine with the plastic, but I felt the steel would be more durable in the long run. (Then again, plastic guide rods work just fine in Glocks).

The 908 doesn't have the grace of the 3913NL, but the 908 is functional. I like the idea of it in stainless even better.

Erich
March 21, 2003, 10:18 AM
Smith & Wesson autos are indeed underrated!

dude
March 21, 2003, 10:48 AM
even though I am a certified P7 snob...........I have to admit that a S&W 910 that I ended up with for a few years in a trade deal actually worked great, never jammed and was reasonably accurate. I got ahold of some 59 hi-caps and a Hogue slip on grip and she was a weapon I would trust my life to anytime.

Not the smallest pistol in the world but plenty reliable.

buzz_knox
March 21, 2003, 10:52 AM
My favorite economy Smith was the 909. A full size single stack. Never got to try one but it had an incredibly sweet grip.

Serpico
March 21, 2003, 10:57 AM
They are good guns....but if money isn't a ;roblem, the 3913 is the one to go for..or at least the 908 stainless...the finish on the standard 908 comes off if you look at it too hard....at least mine did...

Ian11
March 21, 2003, 02:37 PM
I like so many others have had an aversion to S&W autos for many years being so enamored with SIG, Glock, and Colts. I don't currently own any S&W autos but am seriously considering the 3913 and now the 908 or 908S instead of a Glock 26 or SIG P239.

jdhermit
March 21, 2003, 03:21 PM
how do you get used to the backwards safety?
Not trying to start any arguements (sp?), and I've only shot one S&W auto, so really can't comment from experience, but it just seems like it would be difficult to get used to an "up to fire" safety...

I'd like a S&W, just have to convince myself that would be ok, or get one in DAO.

jdhermit

Spackler
March 21, 2003, 03:31 PM
The easy way to get used to it is to leave it as lendringser has it in the photo - off. The factory will spring-load it for you if you'd like. It'll flip itself up after a decock that way.

I carry mine with the safety on. My first semi-auto was a S&W, so there was nothing to get used to for me.

flinch
March 21, 2003, 03:46 PM
Hello,

I was wondering about the bobbed hammer. It prevents a S/A first shot if so desired. Could a replacement hammer be exchanged so that a thumb cocking hammer could be used? That is my only objection to the 908. Thanks .

makarov
March 22, 2003, 01:41 AM
Is there a quick way to tell by series number which guns have steel frames and which have alloy?

5900
6900
3900

etc..

I'm interested in the Smith autos, but don't know much about them. They have a lot of different model numbers.

hansolo
March 22, 2003, 02:17 AM
I fired a few S&W autos -- mainly Police trade-ins -- in 9mm and .40s&w and liked the pistols. About six weeks ago I saw
the new stainless version of the value line 910(about 1/2 the price of the 5906): It's a double stack, full size at about $400.00.
I needed another 9mm to share the shooting load with my CZ 75B. I'd tried the Ruger P89, SA XD-9, FEG HP(not CA legal), and impulsively went for the S&W. Since the first magazine, the 910s is, indeed, "boringly reliable" with zero hiccups and good-very good accuracy for a 4" barrel. Being used to a frame-mounted safety(CZ), I was a little leary about the slide decocker/safety....I got used to it in about two or three range outings. It has a BIG ejection port and I haven't had any problems with several brands of ammo. It just "eats: anything...plus, it keeps my S&W revolver company!

P.S. Makarov: go to S&W Forum for all detailed info on S&W model #s.

Spackler
March 22, 2003, 07:02 AM
Is there a quick way to tell by series number which guns have steel frames and which have alloy?

As a rule of thumb, the last digit of the model number will tell the tale of the pistol's construction.

xx03 - stainless slide, alloy frame
xx04 - blued carbon steel slide, alloy frame
xx06- stainless slide, stainless frame

So, the 5906 is a full-size (59-series) with stainless slide and frame. The alloy-frame version is the 5903. Sadly, they no longer produce the blued steel and alloy model 5904.

There is at least one exception - the 6906 is a compact 9x19 with a stainless slide and alloy frame. Using S&W's usual naming conventions, it should probably be called 6913.

The value series guns (910, 410, 457) have carbon steel slides and alloy frames. They have just introduced stainless versions, and have simply added an "S" to the model numbers for those versions.

MikeJ
March 22, 2003, 07:54 AM
I own a 5906 that is a fantastic gun. I bought it in 1989 from a special run that had polished flats and horribly ugly fake wood Delrin grips which I replaced with their standard black ones. This is the double stack all stainless 9mm and I will put it up against my Sig 229, Glock 23, Beretta 92 etc. The trigger is buttery smooth and the easiest transitioning from DA to SA gun I haver ever shot. It also has NEVER had a malfunction in all these years. I have found that virtually every negative comment about S&W autos, in terms of reliability and quality, is a carry over from the first and second generation guns and made by someone that wouldn't give the third generation series a fair chance. These are top notch firearms. Mike

Al Thompson
March 22, 2003, 11:51 AM
I agree with MikeJ. I allso found that on the double stacks that S&W can sell you the flat grip which makes them better for me.

Serpico
March 23, 2003, 12:12 AM
I miss my 6906 now....

Tamara
March 23, 2003, 12:40 AM
how do you get used to the backwards safety?

That's a safety? I thought it was just a decocker.

(You know, pop it down to drop the hammer, then pop it back up to get it out of the way when you're carrying the gun. ;) )

agony
March 23, 2003, 12:54 AM
Here's my underrated S&W auto....the lowly 5906.

It has a wonderful trigger, and the beefiest hi-cap mags on the planet. The slide-mounted Berettaesque safety/decocker is not that cool. And the hooded rear sight is strange.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/pcc1e1715704037ede9dd1b61fe9d900a/fc7e3cf7.jpg



http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/p199b3b2025977c131206c01688ef0089/fc7e3cf8.jpg

caz223
March 23, 2003, 03:12 PM
The 908 is just a single stack 5904.
My 5904 isn't really that good at anything.
It's reliability is 100%, but the accuracy is really poor.

fastbolt
March 24, 2003, 03:31 AM
I was a slow convert to the 3913 ... I waited until 3 of the other range staff owned a couple of 3913's & a 3914 ... and I'd fired them all ... and I attended my first S&W Armorer's Course ... before I put down my own money on one.

I noticed the one I ordered came with the slide pre-milled & drilled to accept the spring loaded decocker assembly, so I ordered that part and installed it. I have a Ruger P-90DC and like the idea of the decocker returning to the ready-to-fire position. We carry our S&W's ready-to-fire, and I'd looked at a decocker-only equipped pistol at the armorer's course, which seemed like something I'd like to try ...

I asked someone at the factory why my slide had come modified for the spring-loaded decocker assembly, but they had no answer, except that maybe it had been modified and set aside for something at the Performance Center, but then returned to regular inventory. Whatever the reason, it saved me some money and gave me a fast handling pistol when it came to decocking and returning to the ready-to-fire condition.

The latest TSW slides come with this slide modification, in case someone wants to have the spring-loaded part retro-fitted. Otherwise the modification costs about $105 (old price, but that was including the new part) and is done at the Performance Center. (My 4013TSW has the modified slide, but I just haven't gotten around to ordering the new part, yet.)

I added a pair of Hogue grips to my 3913, just to make it fit my hand as though made for me, and which also reduced the already minimal 9mm recoil ... and changed the stock rear sight to one of the Novak Ghost Ring rear sights ... This is a defensive off duty weapon, after all ...

A friend who carries an earlier 7-shot 3913TSW had me install a LPA rear sight on his pistol a couple of years ago, and he's very satisfied with it. I can't get him to understand that 30+ yards isn't normally considered "close-combat" distance for a defensive pistol, as his response is usually something to the effect, " But it's so accurate ..." ... Whatever ...

The 3913/3914 pistols are more accurate than anything their size has a right to be, and are the epitome of reliability. If you can't consistently hit half-inch wooden clothespins at 7 yards, and empty buckshot cases at 10 yards ... it isn't the pistol's fault. If it won't feed modern factory ammunition, it's because the rounds were loaded in the magazines backwards.:)

S&W created a "standard" in this design.

As far as I'm concerned the 3913 is pretty much state-of-the-art when it comes to compact 9mm pistols ... and is what the ASP wanted to be back in the 70's ...

We also had an instant "aversion" to the plastic guide rod in a 908 we T&E'd for a while ... but it never caused a problem. S&W will tell you that their plastic guide rods will last for the life of the pistol ... and I certainly won't try to disagree with them. I DO like the metal ones, though ... just "traditional" that way ...

A factory armorer once told me the nylon disconnectors used in some of the S&W pistols actually outlasted the stainless steel parts in their intended role during endurance testing ...

If I was in the market for another 3913, I'd probably buy the nearest 908S I could find. I prefer stainless to blued carbon steel, but that's because I'm lazy.

Sure, the TSW's have some additional refinements ... box-type rails versus the standard type of rails found on the previous 3913/14 & current 908 series ... a modified barrel cam profile which delays unlocking slightly longer, resulting in less perceived recoil ... a modifed barrel tab which serves as a visual loaded-chamber indicator ... the love-it-or-hate-it accessory rail ... "better" finish on the external aesthetics ... the slide pre-drilled & milled for the spring-loaded decocker assembly ... ambidextrous decocker/safety assembly ...

But the 908 & 908S will get the job done every bit as well ...

I'll say one other thing ... doing a simple muzzle crown job to the pistols can apparently make them even better ...

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