[Selfdfenz]

Before I go one step farther I want to say I have reveiwed Mr. Camp's excellent post and pictures on 380 ammo and visited Golden Loki's excellent site on all kinds of things gun and ballistic in nature.

I am really interested in Rem Golden Saber 380 102 gr rounds as a selfdfenz round. Even if it did not expand, it still has about 200 ft/pounds of energy and just edges out the competition even the FMJs at least energy wise.

GS have a good reputation for expansion in 9 and 45 from what I understand but I wonder if the same is true for the 380.

My question: has anyone seen any geletin testing on this round?

Thanks in advance.
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[Peter M. Eick]

Never seen geletin, but I have popped a few varmits with them. At close range a skunk gets really opened up by one. I did not attempt to recover the bullet, but it made a heck of a hole. Since then I have a rule that skunks are only taken out with long arms.

[yzguy]

Since then I have a rule that skunks are only taken out with long arms

Thats funny.... ranks right up there with don't pee into the wind... :)

[dev_null]

Is there a problem with roving bands of rogue gelatin attacking citizens out there, SD? :D

[Al Thompson]

If you read the gun rags, one would certainly think so. :what:

[Dave R]

I have not used gelatin, but I did my own expansion testing in wet newspaper. The 102gr. Golden Sabre performed better than I expected.

I shot it head-to-head with several 9mm loads. The "wound channels" from the .380 GS were only a bit smaller ans shorter than the 9mm HP loads. Maybe 8-9" penetration vs. 9-11" penetration for the 9mm.

I tried putting layers of denim over the media to see how many layers of denim it took to stop expansion. The GS stopped expanding at 6 layers of denim. The 9mm stopped expanding at 7 or 8 layers, I can't remember.

[DMK]

GS stopped expanding at 6 layers of denim. I've never seen anybody wear that much denim. Not even in the 80s.

[Al Thompson]

DWK - maybe in Idaho - :D. Good test though, you absolutely know that it'll expand. This duplicates some results I got some years back with GS in .45 auto. Lots of cloth, no problem.

[dev_null]

LOL!

Stonewash, acidwash, button-fly, flares... not enough info to evaluate the test results! :D :p

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