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Oldnamvet
July 7, 2005, 09:44 PM
Anyone know of a source for (empty) 3" .410 all brass shotshells? All I can find is 2.5" which are actually 2.35". :(

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cpileri
July 7, 2005, 10:03 PM
Or, i believe 444 Marlin brass will work fo royu!
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Oldnamvet
July 7, 2005, 11:29 PM
Magtech is the brand of the "short" 2.5" brass shells I got from Buffalo Arms. Does Magtech have their own website?
.444 Marlin isn't long enough either. I was considering using 9.3 x 74R but I think it would have to stretch a little too much in diameter.

Third_Rail
July 8, 2005, 12:43 AM
If you find any, do tell. I'd love to get my hands on them as well.

cpileri
July 8, 2005, 10:11 AM
Then 9.3x74R cases can be cut/trimmed and fireformed to make full, 3-inch 410-bore shells!
What i have read to do is take the brass, and load with a full powder charge, top with cream of wheat/rice, and seal with wax.
Point somewhere safe and fire. It should blow the case walls out straight to conform with the chamber of your gun.
I can't find too many loadings for it but here's a start:
CCI 300 large pistol primers
13.1gr Lil'Gun
1/8" fiber wad followed by a WAA41 plastic shot wad
3/4oz 7 1/2 lead shot
.030 overshot card covered in Elmer's glue

Hope that helps,
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Oldnamvet
July 8, 2005, 05:33 PM
What I want to do is a little more strange than just have a 3" brass shotgun shell. I have a .45LC/.410 pistol barrel for my T/C. Shooting (at) skeet with it is a lot of fun but I wanted to also use it with .45 LC. I tried some of my favorite loads from my Ruger Blackhawk and the accuracy with the T/C was poor. :banghead: Tried a few other loads and got the same poor results. Then I considered that the bullet had to jump a couple of inches through the forcing cone into the rifling. I was lucky that I was able to get the 6-8 inch groups at 50 yds that I did. So, I wanted to see if moving the bullet much closer to the rifling would help. That is what is driving my desire to find some 3" shells that I could expand and put in .452 bullets and see if accuracy would improve. Logic tells me it would but how much?
(PS. yes, I did remove the choke tube before shooting the .45 LC rounds) :D

45crittergitter
July 8, 2005, 09:21 PM
Hope you have some good load data for that extra-long .45 Colt case....

I have a few loaded brass .410 shells, but they ain't for sale... :evil:

Ross
July 9, 2005, 05:44 PM
I fear the 3" case will have a lot of room for powder, not unlike my .45-3.
That space is a problem, perhaps as great as the bullet jump.
Turned cases from Rocky Mountain may prove useful.
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Rocky Mountain Cartridge, LLC.
Rifle .405 to .45 Cal. Price List ... Our cartridge cases are "CNC" lathe turned
from solid round brass bar stock, conforming to the tightest tolerances of ...
www.rockymountaincartridge.com/
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I've never used any of their cases, but perhaps you could get a greatly reduced capacity case.
Cheers from Darkest California,
Ross

CB900F
July 9, 2005, 06:01 PM
Fella's;

In answer to Ross's fears, I recall the recent announcement of some powder made especially for cowboy shooting. Kinda looks like little gray 'cheerios'. In any case, it's high volume - low energy, to more-or-less duplicate black powder charges with smokeless powder.

900F

cpileri
July 9, 2005, 06:07 PM
Plus you can always use more-or-less 45LC cowboy loads and stuff some dacron or other filler in to keep the powdeer down near the primer.
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Ohen Cepel
July 9, 2005, 06:07 PM
Oh, I now see what you're trying to do. (I can see myself trying it in the future so please report back).

I would want to go with a bulky powder so that it fills the case as uniformly as possible. I have read about big jumps in velocity depending on how the powder laid in a large case with little powder in it.

Seems the 444 case might be a better way to go. Seat a heavy bullet out a ways and it might fill the gap.

Or, you could send that pesky barrel to me :D I'll be happy to take that burden on for you :)

Oldnamvet
July 9, 2005, 06:46 PM
This is one of the cases where I wondered if a ballistic filler would be useful. Fill the excess case with grits, cream of wheat, etc. Odor would be interesting at least.
I have some 2.35" brass shot shells that will be tried but I'll still be looking for longer ones. I sent a message to the US vice-president of Magtech and will see if he can supply any further information.
Send it to you? :D I don't think so. I have to reserve a little fun for myself.

grendelbane
July 9, 2005, 07:42 PM
I loaded some .45 Colts today for my Contender. I got so-so accuracy, and low velocities.

I am thinking of trying the .444 Marlin cases.

I am not real comfortable with the idea of a filler, though.

An extra thick walled case might be just the ticket, but sounds expensive. It would be cheaper just to have a dedicated .45 Colt barrel.

goon
July 9, 2005, 11:04 PM
I can see why you would want to try this, but I am wondering how you are going to come up with reloading data to pull this off. I can't see .45LC data working with such a large casing and if you try different data you are essentially putting the wrong round in the gun and firing it.
I am thinking that you may just be stuck with what you got.

BluesBear
July 10, 2005, 03:46 AM
My suggestion is to drop your powder charge, seat an over powder wad and then fill the case with polyfil.

Using gruts or cream of wheat is such a large case can be a problem since you have to add the weight of the cereal to the weight of the bullet. If the cereal weight isn't consistent then your velocities (and pressures) won't be.

Attempting to use a standard powder charge in such a long case without using a filler WILL result in uneven ignition and your velocity deviation will be astronomical.

Also, the .444 Marlin cartridge has a base diameter of .469". That's a bit larger than the .457" base of a .44 Magnum. Most sizing dies will leave a "ring" just above the rim that will further need to be turned to the correct diameter before it will properly chamber.

Oldnamvet
July 13, 2005, 12:05 PM
I contacted Erik Leslie, General Manager of Magtech USA, via email. Magtech doesn't currently make a .410 brass shell for a 3" chamber but would consider tooling up if there is enough interest. The more people contact him, the more possible it could happen. Magtech brass shot shells are slightly shorter than advertised for safety purposes - to be sure they will chamber in all specified guns without problems.

CB900F
July 13, 2005, 09:09 PM
Fella's;

voily-oily!! I done found it. Check the current Cheaper Than Dirt flyer (July 2005), page 4. Lower left corner of the page, Golden Bear .410 slug, 3", BRASS CASE. Five round box, $2.29.

900F

cpileri
July 13, 2005, 09:46 PM
No, they are unfortunately brass plated steel cases. Says so right on the box.

I got excited when i first saw them, too.

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