Remington Model 870™ Express® Synthetic Pistol Grip


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Alan Fud
July 8, 2005, 10:22 AM
Is the Remington Model 870™ Express® Synthetic Pistol Grip shotgun

http://www.remington.com/images/firearms/870_expsyn18_pg.JPG (http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870expsyn18_pg.htm)

legal to own or does one have to go through a special process to purchase it / register it?

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Rupestris
July 8, 2005, 12:08 PM
Legal to own as long a the overall length of the shotgun is at least 26".
If you have an 870 you can find aftermarlet pistol grips at stores like Dunhams, Gander Mountain, etc.

Dave McCracken
July 8, 2005, 08:49 PM
Having an 870 is a very good thing. Putting a PG without a stock on it is a very bad thing. Read the archives as to why...

357wheelgunner
July 8, 2005, 09:18 PM
I'll second Dave McC's post...I shot a PG 12 gauge once (5 times actually, 3 rapid fire, 2 slow) and it is very difficult to use. Absolutely useless, or close to it.......

Joe Mamma
July 8, 2005, 10:09 PM
I'm not trying to start a flame war but, I've shot a pistol grip shotgun (18" barrel) and it was not difficult to shoot accurately. Before I tried it, I had seen lots of comments on here saying how it's almost impossible to hit something with one. But, I decided to try it, and it's not. I've got a lot of pistol shooting experience, but (at the time I shot the pistol grip shotgun for the first time) very little shotgun experience.

If someone is thinking abut getting a pistol grip shotgun, I say do it and try it for yourself.

Joe Mamma

Dave McCracken
July 9, 2005, 08:21 AM
Joe, how close are you to central MD?.....

Rupestris
July 9, 2005, 11:18 AM
Dave, 357,
You're taking all the fun out of this. No one told me how uncomfortable a PG shotgun was or how much more accurate one is with a stock back when I was shootin' my uncles 500.
I think everyone should try it. :p once.

Not saying Joes way is wrong. Just saying its not the way for me.

Joe Mamma
July 9, 2005, 07:15 PM
Dave, I'm actually not too far from central Maryland. But, I'm not that close either. I take your question as a challenge for a shoot off. :) If so, I'm not sure if there's a point to that. I'm pretty confident you could out shoot me if you used a full length stock, and I used a pistol grip stock. But, that doesn't mean much because I could out shoot myself with one too.

What I saying is that it's very possible to be accurate with just a pistol grip stock. When I say accurate, I am speaking primarily based on my experiences with knocking over Pepper poppers (steel targets) and other smaller falling steel targets at various distances ranging from about 25-50 feet. If I can do that, it can't be that hard. But, we all have different definitions of accuracy. Maybe this is not accurate for a shotgun for everyone else but, it's good for me.

Peace.

Joe Mamma

Dave McCracken
July 9, 2005, 08:29 PM
That's right, Joe. In the 5 years or so I've posted the challenge, NO PG fan has seen fit to take it up. That includes you.

Here's the challenge, one more time....

You determine the course of fire, range, and ammo. You use a PG only shotgun of ANY make, model and modifications. Bolt on any accessory you desire.

I'll use one of my 870s. Score determines who wins, time settles ties. Results posted rat cheer. I'll win. If we swapped shotguns, you'd win. A PG is THAT much of a handicap.

A PG with no stock turns one of the finest close range weapons into something much less lethal. It makes a fine shoulder arm into a large, awkward handgun that's hard to control and harder to shoot well.

Of if public humiliation is not your cup of tea, try this.

Shoot as you have been doing, recording scores and times. Then, add a regular stock instead of that thrice cursed PG. Shoot the same COFs again recording the scores and times. Compare, swallow hard, and sell that PG to someone you do not like.

PG only shotguns may be OK for toys, but real world folks need tools.

For the record, I got paid to shoot shotguns from the hip using State ammo. I doubt there was anyone in the state better at that time. I shot hundreds of rounds from the hip using folding stocks one summer. None of my 870s has ever seen a PG and none ever will. That's a lesson there.....

ny32182
July 9, 2005, 09:51 PM
I've fired PG shotguns before, and also didn't think it was hard to hit mansize targets at reasonable ranges. Still, I'd take a stock over a pistol grip every time if given the choice.

Sort of OT: What is the most popular pistol grip/stock combination for an 870? I think I'd actually prefer to have both.

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