[Kevlarman]

It's an MP3, and 2.5MB, but it's worth it to hear the debate!

"How will leaving Saddam in power promote peace?"

http://kvi.com/x2977.xml?ParentPageID=x3259&ContentID=x3503&Layout=KVI.xsl&AdGroupID=x3248

Link is near the bottom of the page.

[Drjones]

Heard this via a post on Glocktalk.

Thanks for posting.

Again, you can stun them with logic, but you just CANNOT make them think.

Because they do not have the equipment with which to think.

:rolleyes:

:banghead:

[jmbg29]

Listen to an amazing caller, Mohammed, confronting United For Peace and Justice I live in the greater Seattle area, and I just wish I knew where Mohammed lives, because I would love to shake his hand and thank him in person! That was GREAT!!!!! :D :D :D :D

[UnknownSailor]

KVI, the station this happened on, is calling this the caller of the year.

[Frohickey]

Mohammad: How exactly, will leaving Saddam in power, promote peace and justice in Iraq?

Andrea: Um, again, what i need to say is that...

Mohammad:No, now you are obfuscating...

Andrea: regime change, listen...

Mohammad: How exactly, will leaving Saddam...

Andrea: regime change, regime change is the issue for the Iraqi people. How will bomb...How will bombing Iraq help bring peace and justice in bombing thousands of people and killing thousands of innocent people.

Mohammad: I will explain it to you if you like me to answer your question since you are choosing not to answer mine.

Host: Okay, let him ...let him explain Let Mohammad explain how bombing will work...

Mohammad: Since you are choosing...Since you are chosing to play pingpong and not answer my question, little girl. I will answer yours. There will be civilian deaths in the war. Saddam has killed 2 million people. There are families here in this country who lost 20 or 30 people on one day in a gas attack by Saddam Hussein. Little girl. And I will tell you this, yes, civilians will die, my cousins will die. Maybe, Allah forbid. But here is a certainty that you do not understand in your simplistic nickleodeon diplomacy is that you are guaranteed to have civilians die under Saddam. So now you try again to answer my question without playing the pingpong. How does leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?

A: I mean, I guess what folks who listen to this show are saying or here are calling in or saying...
M: I'm not asking what folks listening to this show say...
A: ...you know...
M: ...can you answer the question, little girl.
A: ...huhuhuhu...
M: Oh now you laugh at people dying...
A: Well, no what I'm,...
M: ...you are unable to answer the question...
A: ...what I'm laughing at is that is seems like you need to um, personally attack me to make your point.
M: I do not want advice from you, I'm not giving you advice...
A:...so what what I want to say...
H: well, I I have I have I hav... Here well Mohammad Mohammad, let me le me pose this way Andrea, I have the feeling that if you just answer his question he'll be happy...
A: ...huhuhu...
H: ..and I'm by the way, I'm not abated by your laughter
M: you know, is that laughter in the background?
A: you know what I believe is ... that bombing and killing people is not gonna bring peace and justice...
M: You cannot answer the question, you are a joke. You are a joke you cannot answer the question...
A: ...what what I also believe is that there are other alternatives if we can pursue..
M: You who cannot answer the question, you are a joke. You are a joke. I would give you one more chance and then I never listen to another word you say again, you chirping bird.
A: ...okay, and I just want to say although you are um.
H: How How How How will promoting peace and How can you promote peace and justice without removing Saddam, thats his question its real simple Andrea.
A: ...and when I'm...huhuhu...
H: you are not... hahaha
M: listen to the laughter of this little bird who justifies herself...
A: You guys...
H: hey... I... I dont I don't see why its so hard, Andrea.
A: I don't think...I don't think that you know calling somebody a little bird is gonna help address the serious question that millions of people are worried about...
M: ...you have not heard the serious questions.
A: ...millions of people are worred about the consequences of a war. Okay, millions of people are worried about..
M: ... No I'm not okay with you not answering the question
A: ...bombing bombing and killing many people and millions of people are worried about increasing security threats to people in the United States if we go to war, and additionally I don't um..
H: Sure Sure Sure I We We're We're We're retreading the same territory, the the the yeah we're retreading but you're not you're not...
M: ...bustering little girl
A: ...huhuhu...
H: You're you're not answering the question. Andrea, Andrea, Andrea you can continue to petulantly ... gale in laughter but you have to admit you are not answering his question
A: Well...I'm I'm I'm laughing at him calling me a little girl and I think that you guys ...
H: Well, you're coming off, you're coming off like my 9 year old niece.
A: The only it seems like the only focus we can have here is Saddam Hussein and the fact is that Iraqi are...
M: That is the focus of the war. Do you understand one thing about anything? That is the focus of the war.
A: ...the people who are gonna be killed in this bombing campaign. And what I said is war is that there are alternatives.
H: Cure..Cure...Curiously Andrea, you're, yeah, alright but curiously you are talking to a guy from Iraq and you are telling him that peace and justice will somehow remove the guy that is the reaosn he had to emigrate here. Is that what you are saying?
A: What i'm saying is that...
M: Now she repeats herself again.
A: ...if we pursue peace and justice for the Iraqi people through international law, through diplomacy...
M: International law has failed, Andrea.
A: ...through pressure, through various um, different initiatives, if we can pursue them in North Korea if we can pursue them in Israel and Palestine and all over the world we can pursue them in Iraq.
M: And can I say one more thing before I hang..
A: ...and I also... and..
H: Oh and absolute...No no no Andrea, Mohammad has to go he's a caller, he gets to go you have been on for for 45 minutes. Go ahead go ahead, Mohammad go ahead
M: If you.. If you personally end up going to the gulf, Allah will bless you because Saddam is a pretend muslim and everybody knows this. And for the listeners who hear this girl and she thinks I insult her with the term. I do not insult her, being a little girl is natural, we all start out children and we learn and grow. But she has no point lecturing me on what will happen in Iraq or lecturing you. This why this so called peace movement, they cannot even justify their own name. And i will remind you, if they leave Saddam in power they guarrantee death if he is removed there will be some, but for a short time, and the Iraqi people are ready and they will welcome the Americans, including if Allah forbid Brian ah Suits goes. So Andrea do not take it as being an insult that you are a little girl, you are simply not ready for the adult world. Thank you Brian.
H: Ah. Thank you Mohammad, what he's refering to Andrea is that tomor.. tomorrow night is my final night here at KVI, my , I I'm being called up by the Army National Guard I was in the first Desert Storm I pray to God I'm not in the second one I just wonder as I say in 10 years will people shake my hand and say thanks for my freedom or will they shake your hand, neither you nor I know.

[Frohickey]

If people like Andrea Buffa were around and vocal during the 1760s-70s, we'd still be British subjects.

[twoblink]

In the Bible, it says "When I was a child, I spoke and I thought as a child, when I became a man, such childish ways did I put aside"

Obviously, Andrea and the the peace movement have not thought this through...

[BigG]

Doubt if Andrea is ever going to become a man, Twoblink. :neener:

[El Tejon]

Hey, got it to work! El Tejon meets technology and prevails, somehow . . .

Frohickey, thanks for the transcript. How did you do that?

The "peace movement" is composed of little girls who live in rich, privileged places and do not have to confront reality as their parents have altered it for them by their hard work. They are guilt-ridden for their soft lives and seek to attack what has allowed them this life. However, you'll note they never reject us but moving to Iraq.

Andrea is to be expected and shrugged off. Saddam is to be placed upside down in a market, sooner the better. Down with the Emir of the New Babary pirates!

[BigG]

Feelings.... whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Feelings! :rolleyes:

[buzz_knox]

For those who have demanded that Muslims in the US stand up and show their "true colors," I give you Mohammed! A man who made the point eloquently and, I daresay, stands with us 110%.

By the way, those of foreign birth have the most eloquent insults. "Chirping bird." I love it.

[Don Gwinn]

Don't kid yourself. The Revolution was not nearly as popular as this war is. There were LOTS of people like her around. All the ones who got any attention were, of course, not young girls, but the ideas were similar.

[jmbg29]

Doubt if Andrea is ever going to become a man, Twoblink.Learn to never underestimate freaks like Andrea. There is no aberration that I wouldn't think her and her ilk capable of.

They make me want to :barf:

:fire: :fire: :fire:

[BigG]

:what: Careful, JMBG, I just ate! :what:

[Desert Dog]

Excellent post!

It utterly amazes me the narrowness of the thought processes of the "peace-at-all-cost" crowd...

Mike

[Quartus]

The "peace movement" is composed of little girls

That's not really fair, El Tejon. There are little boys, too.


Little boys with less sense than my 12 year old little girl!

Little boys who will never be men.


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=183489

[BigG]

Yes, but! Mohammed's talk is just so SEXIST! :evil:

[Ian]

Clearly, Andrea is a clueless moron. What she should have said is:

"The United States military is in no way charged with promoting peace and justice in Iraq or any other foreign nation. Despite the precedent of foreign intervention, our military exists solely to defend our own soil against invaders."

[Frohickey]

Frohickey, thanks for the transcript. How did you do that?

Took awhile to do the old way, with headphones and a keyboard.

Mohammed rocks, at least this one that called the radio show.

[jmbg29]

Listen to an amazing caller, Mohammed, confronting United For Peace and Justice Bumping this back up. Everyone needs to hear this guy.

[OF]

BWAHAHAHA! My favorite part is the stunned silence just after Mohammed first speaks.

You can feel her panic in that silence.

- Gabe

[BigG]

Just heard on the radio a CNN poll found 74% are in favor of the war. Can just see the peacemongers, etc., crying in their beer. :rolleyes:

[Drjones]

I *really* like his accent.

:D

Wonderful, wonderful clip!!!

[jmbg29]

BTT

[jimpeel]

This woman sees the "slaughter" of tens of thousands as a crime by America; but she sees no crime in Saddam slaughtering millions.

Let's assume that during this war there are 10,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. Saddam has been slaughtering Iraqis at an average rate of about 33,000/year. This means that 23,000 Iraqis would be saved in just the first year of liberation.

Her problem is that these 23,000 people have no political capital. Only those 10,000 have political capital as they conform to the exact shape of her agenda. The 23,000 have no value to her as they are merely "acceptable losses". In her slanted world, even one Iraqi death at the hands of America far outshadows the 32,999 who would be saved by that single death.

[publius]

Thanks for transcribing that, Frohickey!

Sincerely,

Owner of a rural phone line.

[Frohickey]

Here's Mohammed again, after finding out that Saddam has been captured. (http://www.komotv.com/qt/kvi/mohammed.mp3)

Wow.

[Greg L]

Thanks for posting the follow up. They both should be required listening.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

I hate to say this, because I agree with everything this Muhammed fellow has to say, but based upon the many Iraqis I have known for a good many years, that did not impress me as someone speaking with a genuine Iraqi accent.

Maybe he is from an ethnic minority I am not familiar with, but he didn't impress me as a person speaking with even an Iraqi Kurdish accent.

I'd like to see some confirmation of this person's identity before I believe it.

I hope I am wrong, and my apologies to the guy if I am.

[BowStreetRunner]

i listened to that and it IS GREAT
:evil: :evil: :evil:
BSR

[444]

I waited for about 10 minutes for that clip to download and then I couldn't listen to it.
Here is some **** that has no idea what she is talking about. She has no concept of the world as it is. The biggest hardship she has ever had to face would be something like having her boyfriend break up with her, or being in an area where her cell phone won't work. And she presumes to lecture people on how the United States should deal with someone guilty of genocide on an unfathomable scale. :barf: :barf: :barf:

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

That was great. We are an incubator of freedom, and once in a while, the giver of freedom, or at least the chance of freedom.

444, I agree completely...the 90210 crowd..i broke a nail:barf:

[boing]

"...simplistic nickleodeon diplomacy..."

I mean, there's just no comeback for that one. :p