[GunGoBoom]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1644792,00.html

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[50 Freak]

I don't see anything wrong with this device. Hits rapists where it hurts.

[axmurderer]

Don't get me wrong, I think rapists should be executed, but I'm afraid this would cause the rapist to hurt the woman worse, or even kill her in revenge for his thingy getting hurt.

Giving her a gun and some training would be better.

[odysseus]

What's wrong is several points, including of the medical issue of some stranger's blood intermingling with yourself. It's insanity. :banghead:

What horrors people are pointed to use other than what is a proper human right to arm yourself to defend with firearms and to have a society which honors the lawful and not the lawless who harm.

[R.H. Lee]

Wasn't this discussed here awhile back? Weren't rapists caught and punished under apartheid?

[hillbilly]

I see the problem with the device.

The problem with the device is that by purchasing it, the women are already admitting that they will indeed become rape victims.

This device "works" only when you are raped.

It's sort of like buying gauze to stick into the bullet wounds you plan on getting on the way to work tomorrow.

Of course, the better choice of action would be to take steps and precautions to prevent the rape or the bullet wounds from actually happening.

In simple terms, refuse to become a victim.

Don't accept the fact that you will be raped. Form a plan and a set of responses to stop rapists.

Arm yourself as best as you can under South Africa's draconian gun laws and prepare to stop rapists by any means necessary.

hillbilly

[larry starling]

OMG! That would hurt :what:

[1 old 0311]

I may be the wimp in the group but if I had needles sticking in my Johnson I would probably forget about revenge and worry about getting it off.

Kevin

[TheGoodLife]

The South African Law Commission recently estimated that 1.69 million women a year were raped in the country but that only 52,000 cases a year are reported. Other estimates put the rate even higher.

What a massive failure of the government to protect its citizens. The women should be armed. The criminals certainly are.

[Henry Bowman]

If you look in the files of the US Patent Office you will find dozens (or more) of such devices that have been invented over the last 150 or so years. :evil:

[Mad Man]

As anyone who has listened to Sarah Brady et al. would know, self-defence devices are too frequently taken away by the criminal (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=146370) only to be used against the victim.

What we need is a new law (http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3642/1/):


WASHINGTON -- Federal law enforcement officials today began rounding up men for alleged violation of the new Digital Millennium Rape Act.

The law, which went into effect June 30, bans "possession of any item or device that makes it possible to commit the crime of rape." It was approved last month by a narrow margin in both the House of Representatives and the Senate following intense negotiations during which a provision was added which excempts government employees, including senators and representatives, from the new law. The legislation was necessary to bring the U.S. into compliance with a treaty negotiated in Japan two years ago by the Clinton administration, but thusfar unsigned by any country. International pressure on the U.S. to sign the accord was intense, however, coming especially from the European Union and many non-European third-world nations. The treaty specifies actions that the United States must take, making no mention of other nations.

"This landmark legislation serves notice on all would-be rapists: If you've got the equipment, we'll lock you up," said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California), immediately after its passage.

Critics of the bill argued at the time that mere ability to commit a crime should not itself be a crime, but were overwhelmed by an intense public relations campaign mounted by proponents. Among the existing laws cited in defense of the bill were federal gun regulations and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which make possession of firearms and software, respectively, illegal.

"If you can do the crime, you will do the time," said Boxer. " This is a crime prevention measure -- by the time someone has actually committed an offense, it's too late."


read the rest of the "Digital Millenium Rape Act" at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3642/1/

[SpookyPistolero]

I think things like this actually existed, at least in patent form, during the late 1800's/ early 1900's. I'm not sure if the idea was mostly as a form of scare tactics towards contraception or as a safeguard against rape, but either way it's a bad idea. As another pointed out, if a device only harms the assailant and doesn't kill them it will only enrage the further and cause more harm to the victim. It will be quite a long time before there is a better solution than a bullet to the head.

[GunGoBoom]

and since their laws disarm them.... :confused:

[joab]

“This is a medieval instrument, based on male-hating notions and fundamentally misunderstands the nature of rape and violence against women in this society. It is vengeful, horrible, and disgusting. The woman who invented this needs help.” The tampon-like device, invented by a woman, supposedly protects women from rapists by cutting into a man’s penis. I'd say that she fully understands the nature of rapeIt is vengeful, horrible, and disgusting Doesn't that also describe rape
I'm afraid this would cause the rapist to hurt the woman worse, or even kill her in revenge for his thingy getting hurt. You've obviously never had your thingy hurt this badWhat's wrong is several points, including of the medical issue of some stranger's blood intermingling with yourself. It's insanity. Doesn't the other fluid he's about to intermingle with her carry the same medical issuesWhat horrors people are pointed to use other than what is a proper human right to arm yourself to defend with firearms and to have a society which honors the lawful and not the lawless who harm. It's a terrible thing when submission becomes you're only weapon

[Waitone]

Will Preacherman ride by?

[KriegHund]

The major issue is that if the raper hsa something is his blood, then bye bye....

[Standing Wolf]

This might be a trifle less messy: http://www.hideawayknife.com/main.php

[dhoomonyou]

Civilized society ended a long time ago.

[MoeMentum]

Even if this device works, the woman would have the perpetrators blood in her, and if he has aids, that would be a death sentence.

[Justin]

No gun related content.

[bigjim]

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“This is a medieval instrument, based on male-hating notions and fundamentally misunderstands the nature of rape and violence against women in this society. It is vengeful, horrible, and disgusting. The woman who invented this needs help.”

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The tampon-like device, invented by a woman, supposedly protects women from rapists by cutting into a man’s penis.

I'd say that she fully understands the nature of rape
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It is vengeful, horrible, and disgusting

Doesn't that also describe rape

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I'm afraid this would cause the rapist to hurt the woman worse, or even kill her in revenge for his thingy getting hurt.

You've obviously never had your thingy hurt this bad
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What's wrong is several points, including of the medical issue of some stranger's blood intermingling with yourself. It's insanity.

Doesn't the other fluid he's about to intermingle with her carry the same medical issues
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What horrors people are pointed to use other than what is a proper human right to arm yourself to defend with firearms and to have a society which honors the lawful and not the lawless who harm.

It's a terrible thing when submission becomes you're only weapon

The inventor does not understand rape as she has totally missed two other orifice of opportunity. Is there one of these devices for the mouth and rectum as well?

Further more if these things become at all common I imagine the rapists will adopt the practice of a quick finger probe to check for a beaver trap. Metaphorically speaking that is not a bad idea for all men. :D

Many people when really angry can ignore pain. I can really see rapists being super pissed off and getting really violent. I know when mine gets caught in a zipper I want to beat someone.

And no sperm is no where near as good a vector for transmitting AIDS as blood. In fact heterosexual vaginal intercourse is NOT a good vector for AIDS at all. Nor is oral copulation. This is not to say these acts don't spread aids, but when they do its almost always because there is blood present.

So it’s my opinion that these devices while emotionally appealing, extremely so to some "members" here, are very likely to back fire on the woman. Better to arm her and change the laws and culture of this country.

[tyme]

If drugs were legalized, there'd be barbituate-injecting versions of these available over the counter. No hassle trying to track down the rapist. He'd still be asleep when the cops got there.
(credit goes to Neal Stephenson's _Snow Crash_, which is where I first read about the idea)

[Ryder]

I believe the concept is for it to work as a deterent like CCW. The rapist does not know which women might be "wearing" it so they attack nobody.

[TMM]

my solution to rape is a Bersa .380 auto.

3 well-aimed rounds will have a man that will be forever unable to rape again...

the guy could check for this raccoon-paw-grabber-type trap, but he can't for a gun.

~TMM

[El Rojo]

my solution to rape is a Bersa .380 auto.Isn't that the same thing as the Rat Trap? Wouldn't shooting your attacker with a .380 just make them madder and have them attack you more or be more violent than if you just let it happen? :neener:

If it weren't for the blood, I would say this is a great idea. I don't think it condones rape. Heck, it really is just like carrying a gun. We don't carry a gun so we can find a shooting and participate in it. We carry it as a last restort. Inserting the Rat Trap would be a mean of last resort. If you do get raped, you can hurt your attacker and make them stop and possibly brand them for easy prosecution.

Now if this tampon type device is big enough to wrap around a penis, couldn't it also be engineered sort of like a female condom in order to contain the blood and other bodily fluids. That would be a great idea.

[GhostRider66]

Shouldn't this post be under Non-Firearms Weapons? :eek:

[longeyes]

Wham, bam, OOOOPS!

[Ginger]

It's easy for us to criticize this device and the women who might use it but I think we need to understand the situation a little better.

Rape is a huge problem in S.A. It's not a "power issue" for them, it's sexual opportunism coupled with a superstitious belief that young virgins can cure an HIV infection.

The women have no way to arm themselves yet they must walk to school, work, and market.

The way women are raped in Africa is vaginally, not in any other way. This has to do with beliefs about sexual purity as well as a frankly bizarre cultural practice I won't go into.

The device is designed to cause excruciating pain. A man is not going to be able to "work through" this level of pain. Since the device can't be removed ourside of a surgery suite, it makes it easier to identify rapists.

The risk of HIV infection to the woman is small. It is the tearing of the vaginal lining in rape that allows the opportunity of infection (that and the cultural practice). This device actually offers some protection from that tearing.

These women are desperate. Their own culture stands idly by while they are sexually abused from childhood on. Whether this effectively reduces rape or not, it took a lot of courage to invent and discuss it.

That said, I still wish they had guns.

[CannibalCrowley]

Guys, would you let your significant other use one of these? I'd have to vote an enthusiastic no. Everyone can be forgetful and that's something I'd hate to see my SO become forgetful about (see Snowcrash for another hand example).

So what happens if the rapists just switch holes? Is there an anal version as well? Of course what prevents the rapist from simply checking for the device in the first place?

Of course the true failing of the device is that it cannot prevent rape, it simply punishes the attacker after the fact. And it does so in a manner which fails to remove the victim from harm.

[cracked butt]

Charlene Smith, a leading anti-rape campaigner, said: “This is a medieval instrument, based on male-hating notions and fundamentally misunderstands the nature of rape and violence against women in this society. It is vengeful, horrible, and disgusting. The woman who invented this needs help.”

Anti-rape activists are the same everywhere- cooperate with the attacker and give him what he wants in order to try to avoid unneeded injury :banghead:

[Luchtaine]

At the point where blood being mingled with a victim its too late anyways. As HIV can be transmitted by other fluids...

[Cosmoline]

The boys who head the ANC have I'm sure taken their own share of virgins. It's a complete madhouse down there, with the most insane leading the way.