Where is your gun right now?


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CAS700850
July 12, 2005, 02:45 PM
I pose the question not really wanting a collection of answers, but to prove a point. I bet that right now, each of us knows where his or her guns are, especially a CCW piece. Yesterday, at Columbus (Ohio) International Airport, a PhD professor of Public Health from Ohio State was arrested as he tried to pass through security. Turns out that in his briefcase was a small auto, holstered and fully loaded, with a spare mag. His excuse was that he forgot where the gun was. He has an Ohio CCW permit. Or had. :(

Call me crazy, but I have never forgotten where my carry gun was. On me. In it's storage place at home. Locked in my desk at work. In the gun safe when I'm carrying something different.

Ignoring (for now) TSA, airport security, and those related issues, am I being too harsh on a guy who made a mistake, or does anyone agree that it is just plain dumb to forget where you put your carry gun? Anyone ever forget where they put their carry gun?

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thereisnospoon
July 12, 2005, 02:49 PM
Maybe he is an anti-CCW plant trying to prove a negative point?

Where's my tinfoil.....

sharpetop
July 12, 2005, 02:51 PM
One of my carry guns is on my hip, one is in my truck and the others are stored away.

Duh_Bear
July 12, 2005, 02:53 PM
Six feet away, against the wall.

pax
July 12, 2005, 03:00 PM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects. :uhoh:

pax

Werewolf
July 12, 2005, 03:00 PM
I can see someone that has a CCW but doesn't really take it serious tossing a gun in a brief case and forgetting it is there; especially someone who leads a very hectic lifestyle.

Then the old absent minded professor stereotype isn't all that uncommon. I've known a few in my day that would literally forget their heads if they weren't attached to their shoulders.

Then again - a Professor of Public Health - someone mentioned an anti making a point... Don't a lot of antis consider guns a public health issue?

Ian
July 12, 2005, 03:11 PM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children,

At least you haven't misplaced parts of children... :p

50 Freak
July 12, 2005, 03:17 PM
I admit I forget where some of my CCW peices are sometimes. I have no kids, no roommates other than the wife (who treats everything as loaded and doesn't touch it).

I have 3 guns on my CCW permit and sometimes will switch back and forth depending on where I am going. So sometimes, I forget where I put the mini glock or the full sized glock (for those days, I have the "not-so-fresh" feeling).

Plus the fact my safe is already overflowing with stuff and I can't fit everything in it anymore doesn't help.

I have a friend that has multiple guns of every glock model ever produced (minus the G18 and one other) and he doesn't always remember where he puts all his glocks, not to mention his other guns.

It's easy to remember where your guns are when you have like only 20. But it gets tough when you don't even know how many guns you have total, because you have been collecting for decades.

Konall
July 12, 2005, 03:29 PM
I can buy he forgot it.

Back when I regularly carried, I once left my carry piece under my pillow in a motel room. Sleep deprivation and a hectic schedule can do that to a person.

Fortunately this was in Montana 20 years ago. All I did was walk into the office later and the lady behind the desk grinned and handed me the pistol--not a word exchanged. Heck, if I'd been staying another night the cleaning staff probably would have left it under the pillow.

Edit: I haven't (yet) misplaced one of the children, but I have had nightmares about doing so :uhoh:

hso
July 12, 2005, 03:29 PM
Public health professionals don't support the anti movement because the statistics don't support the contentions of the antis.

captain obvious
July 12, 2005, 03:31 PM
Sometimes I really wish I had a digital camera - to me "straightening up the house" before company comes over is often a euphamism for "hurry, hide the weapons." My important firearms are safe, though.

TallPine
July 12, 2005, 03:35 PM
Depends on who's asking ...? ;)

It's totally conceivable that I might forget where some of my guns are, or even that I ever owned them.

To answer your question, my friend - it's right here on my hip where it always is.

logical
July 12, 2005, 03:37 PM
Not knowing the answer to where it is when we are specifically asked to think about it....and momentarily not thinking about it being with you and the fact that you are somewhere where it it forbidden are two entirely different things. I bet if the guy was asked where it was an hour before he went to the airport he would have known the answer because he was forced to think about it specifically.

He made a big mistake...but it doesn't alone make him a total washout.

taliv
July 12, 2005, 03:38 PM
kind of like when the dallas cowboys coach tried to take his gun through the airport several years back.

i imagine most of the people on this board are fascinated with guns. we just love to collect them and shoot them and we think about them all day. (well, i do, at least) so the thought of forgetting where one is, is ludicrous.

others, think of them no different than their cell phone, sunglasses, and wallet. where did i leave my car keys again?

NineseveN
July 12, 2005, 03:43 PM
On my huip, just as it should be. No, I never forget where it is. But some people make mistakes, even me so you never know.

Andrew Rothman
July 12, 2005, 03:43 PM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Most people don't have five carry guns.

Zundfolge
July 12, 2005, 03:57 PM
Maybe he is an anti-CCW plant trying to prove a negative point?

Where's my tinfoil.....
That was my first thought as well ... glad I'm not the only one :uhoh:

Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects.
Given that children move on their own and guns don't I don't see the relevance.


At least you haven't misplaced parts of children... :p

Glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that :D

pax
July 12, 2005, 04:08 PM
Don't be so hard on yourself. Most people don't have five carry guns.

zing!!!

:D :D :D

pax

G M: So, Mrs. Smith, do you have any children?
S: Yes, nineteen.
G M: Nineteen! That's a big burden and a big responsibility. Why do you have so mnay children?
S: Well, I love my husband.
G M: Lady, I love my cigar but I take it out of my mouth once in a while.
-- Groucho Marx, on You Bet Your Life

MikeIsaj
July 12, 2005, 04:21 PM
I have been carrying for various reasons for almost thirty years. I cannot imagine forgetting I have a gun, especially on the way to the airport. One of my personal rules is that when the gun comes off, it gets put away. I would never carry in a briefcase.

I have however lost two children at once when they were two. I fell asleep on the recliner and was woken by my neighbor who saw the twins walking down the street alone and thought that was odd. New lock went on the storm door that evening!

grimjaw
July 12, 2005, 04:34 PM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects.

pax, good thing for the rest of us that your children are harmless enough that they are still allowed to board airplanes.

Or are they? :scrutiny:

My gun(s) are elsewhere, while I am several stories up in a federal building near an airport and a rail station. :uhoh: I usually know exactly where the guns are unless I am cleaning them, because the kitchen becomes such a mess. I don't have a CCW permit yet.

Honestly, after the London bombings, I've been more concerned about that then defending myself in the parking lot.

jmm

thorn726
July 12, 2005, 04:48 PM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects.


heheheheheheheheh. well i hope this guy is able to convince courts he forgot it, and is upstanding enough citz to come out of this with his ccw.

what a drag

CajunBass
July 12, 2005, 05:24 PM
Mine are on the bed right behind me. I just got home from the range.

Ryder
July 12, 2005, 05:33 PM
Specialists can be really dumb about some of the simplest things normal people take for granted. What's dumber is that being in possession of your own legally owned property is a crime. Were's the criminal intent in that?

Yes, I know where all my guns are. Always have, hope I always will.

Lennyjoe
July 12, 2005, 05:37 PM
Being complacent is not a good thing if you CCW.

cordex
July 12, 2005, 05:48 PM
Guilty.

My initial thought when I read the thread title was "Well, I have two of them with me. One on my hip and one on my pocket."

After I read the first post, I remembered that I have another pistol in my laptop case.

Chupacabra
July 12, 2005, 06:37 PM
I'm not telling you where I hide my guns!

:neener:

Telperion
July 12, 2005, 06:46 PM
Too bad he isn't married to a TSA manager (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=40922). Now this poor sap is going to be introduced to the machine that is our criminal justice system.

Farnham
July 12, 2005, 06:53 PM
a PhD professor of Public Health from Ohio State was arrested as he tried to pass through security

Sounds like a real likely terrorist... :rolleyes:

To answer the question, on my hip, and one in the truck.

S/F

Farnham

psyopspec
July 12, 2005, 06:56 PM
am I being too harsh on a guy who made a mistake

I think so, but only because the .gov and the press will be giving him plenty of reminder of what he did and how wrong it was in the coming weeks.

Ryder
July 12, 2005, 08:03 PM
Curious how old was this guy? Might he have had a legitimate medical excuse which caused him to forget. Such as age. I know I'm starting to suffer that and I'm not quite 50.

A productive citizen's career could be ruined over something as innocent as this? That's insanity, he has hurt nobody. You wouldn't only be punishing him but those who depend on him also.

Somebody forwarded me this today in an e-mail. Sounds like something Andy Rooney would say and I think it's applicable to how I see this situation.

> >> > THE CONSTITUTION
> >> > They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why
don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys,
it's worked for over 200 years and we're not using it anymore.

Even after all that I've said I can't have too much sympathy for someone who plays with fire and gets burned. He should have had the sense not to fly no matter how old he was.

scout26
July 12, 2005, 08:08 PM
This past Sunday afternoon in the car on the way to the range with the kids:

(Sound of cell phone ringing)

Me: "Hello"

Mrs. Scout26: "Did you forget something ???"

Me: ( :uhoh: Quick check of rearseat mirror, count kids: 1, 2 - all accounted for. :cool: and I know I loaded gun cases, ammo, clays, and range bag in the trunk.) "Ummmm, not that I can think of......"

Mrs.: "You left the safe open."

Me: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss:




Yep, I can see someone forgetting......Hope he gets to keep his CCW.

To answer the question they are all back in the safe (the guns that is, not the kids), and it's closed (No CCW is Illinois :( :mad: )......

Pax: The worst feeling in the world is when you look at your significant other and say simultaneously "I thought he was with you ???" or "I thought you were watching him !!!!!"

Cesiumsponge
July 12, 2005, 08:24 PM
I know where my guns are hidden, what mode of readiness they are in, and what is in the mags :D

michiganfan
July 12, 2005, 08:28 PM
left hip fobus paddle

WvaBill
July 12, 2005, 08:28 PM
I have been driving down the road and had this panicky feeling I lost my pistol, the it was, on my hip. I am glad for the LCI to allay occasional thoughts, "Did I cycle a round this morning?"

Rich K
July 12, 2005, 08:53 PM
Right next to me,on the desk as I type this.Where is it supposed to be? :D

Marshall
July 12, 2005, 11:38 PM
I can see where someone may temporarily have a brain fart on this. I could see me possibly doing it because I carry one in my briefcase all the time and can see myself having my mind on other things and possibly screwing up, though not likely.

However, I would never have this brain fart in an airport, that's one place I can never see myself forgetting about it. In that light, I am suspicious of the guys story.

peacefuljeffrey
July 13, 2005, 12:00 AM
Given that I've occasionally misplaced entire children, I really have no room to judge anyone for misplacing small objects.

pax

That was hilarious!

I have softened in my harsh judgment of people, over time. But I still have a hard time understanding how anyone could approach a security checkpoint at an airport -- especially someone who has a gun and a permit to carry it (having gone through the trouble of obtaining both) -- and not do at least a cursory inventory of one's possessions to make sure he is not carrying prohibited items.

Surely one of the most boneheaded moves ever.

My ONE slip-up was on New Year's Day, when I took a break from skydiving to get some lunch. I drove to a nearby restaurant on the beach, and ordered take-out food from the tiki bar. I had set down my bag, which had my carry piece in it, and I forgot to pick it up to go back to the DZ, mostly because my hands were full of bags of food and they mentally replaced the gun-containing bag.

I got back to the DZ and immediately discovered the oversight. Drove like a crazy man back to the restaurant, and the bartender girl had my bag behind the bar. No one acted like they had checked inside it...thankfully. I'm not sure if that would/could have spelled legal trouble for me or not.

-Jeffrey

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