New FN Hi Power (from CDNN)


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BHPshooter
July 12, 2005, 05:59 PM
CDNN has offered genuine FN MkIII Hi Powers for $399 for nearly a year now... I caved in about two weeks ago and ordered one with the extensive assistance of Correia and his business partner (Thanks Larry, Thanks Jaime!).

I picked it up yesterday. It came in an attractive black carrying case, with a 10-round Browning "moustrap" mag, a Mec-Gar 13-round mag, and FN's nifty little silencer-looking cleaning kit.

Its serial number is 511MXxxxxx, making it a 2003 manufacture. It is pictured here with my Browning MkIII Hi Power, 245NWxxxxx (1994 manufacture). The Browning is on top, the FN on bottom.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26389

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26390

There aren't many markings, which gives it a really clean look. The slide on the port side only has the FN crest, the dust cover on the port side has a rollmark that says, "FNMI, Columbia, SC." The Starboard side of the slide says, "FN HERSTAL BELGIUM."

One of the things that endears me so much not only to Hi Powers, but to the real FN/Browning Hi Powers is that FN is still developing and advancing them. I will show this later with pictures (the batteries are dead in the camera right now) but there are quite a few changes, showing that FN isn't just content to let the 70-year-old design become obsolete.

It would be pretty pointless to try to describe the changes without having pictures to describe what I'm talking about -- maybe tonight.

The two most obvious ones are that the slide stop that has been re-engineered to be more beefy, and the "new" barrel. The barrel is one of the ones without the "barrel hood lug", which also has the little window to see if there is a round in the chamber. Also, the barrel is throated like nothing I've ever seen. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but it will feed empty cases -- something none of my other HPs will do. That doesn't prove anything of course, but I'll bet that this baby will feed pea gravel if I want it to.

This is also the first Hi Power that I've ever handled that didn't have slide-to-frame rattle. This is the tightest one I've personally handled, yet it's not so tight to take away from its smooth action. Barrel fit is also very tight.

The trigger needed lubing badly -- once it got lubed, it smoothed out nicely. It's still heavy, and the mag disconnect doesn't help that, but it is very crisp. I think this one will smooth out and lighten up to be very nice.

The gun isn't as heavily sprung as my Browning was -- I would estimate that the recoil spring is about 15 pounds -- but the mainspring still feels like a 32#.

The finish is superb. It is more "matte" than my Browning was, and the finish was also applied more evenly. It looks and feels durable and utilitarian. We'll see how it holds up to my "toxic nuclear sweat."

Now, I have one gripe and another possible gripe: 1)The slide stop does not move freely by itself, meaning that if you thumb down the slide stop, everything is fine; but if you "slingshot" the slide, it won't work and the slide will stay locked. This might just be an issue of wearing-in, or it might need attention.
2)The possible gripe: The rear sights are visibly left-of-center (no, not politically), which may cause the gun to shoot left pretty drastically :uhoh: :scrutiny: ... I won't get to shoot it until Saturday, so I won't know until then. We'll see.

I am very pleased. The Hi Power of today appears to be a stronger, beefier pistol than the HP of yesterday -- it's a dyin' shame that FN has decided that they will be phasing the HP out. Get yours today, folks. They won't be around forever, and at this price, it's the deal of a lifetime.

I'll post more pics later.

Wes

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NeveraVictimAgain
July 12, 2005, 08:57 PM
Congrats on your new purchase, it looks nice.

I hope to own a HP someday.

Regards,
Dave :)

Trebor
July 13, 2005, 12:01 AM
Nice write up.

My understanding is that the slide stop is now cast or MIM. That would explain why it was beefed up. I'm going to hunt down a machined slide stop for mine, I think. Just because.

I also have one of the CDNN FN's. It's interesting to compare it to my FN Mk II/III ex-Isreali hybrid that I got from AIM surplus a few years back. The big differences are the lack of firing pin safety in the older gun and the tiny unuseable safety on the older gun. The older FN also has a much better trigger, but I think the new pistol will get better as it wears in some.

BHPshooter
July 13, 2005, 01:13 AM
Thanks, Trebor. :)

I think you're right, I think the new slide stop is cast. It doesn't have the texture or sprue marks that usually give away MIM, but I could be wrong.

Yes, it's interesting to contrast and compare... Between my FEG clone (which is like a 70s BHP), my 94 BHP, and this 03 FN, it's a very interesting cross-section of what has happened with the hi-power line over the years.

Wes

DHart
July 13, 2005, 01:57 AM
Wes... nice review. I think you'll love the gun when you get to the shooting... as I mentioned on another forum, I just picked up my FN HP 9mm fro CDNN yesterday:

Just got my third Hi-Power yesterday (my first two are Brownings in .40 cal.).... this new one is an FN Hi Power in 9mm from CDNN for $399. The finish is the epoxy/poly smooth black finish. The gun was supplied with a factory 10 rnd. mag and a 13 rnd mag of unknown manufacture. Based on the date of the fired casing, the gun was made in early 2003, so it's been in new stock somewhere for a couple of years. I believe FN decided to shift all HiPower production for the USA to the Browning marque and shipped all FN marque HiPowers remainiing in the USA to CDNN for liquidating. For a time CDNN was selling them for $429 and recently marked them down to $399. At that price, the gun is below dealer cost... hard to resist!

On inspection, the fit and finish was flawless. I tore it down, removed the mag disconnect device, cleaned, then lubed it and got ready for some shootin'. I didn't measure trigger pull before removing the mag disconnect (didn't think about it), but after removal of the mag disconnect, the trigger broke with a very nice feel at 7 lbs. Not bad at all. Quite servicable at that, but not as nice as the 4.5# pulls my two Browning HiPowers in forty caliber have as a result of a trip to Arizona for a visit to Don Williams.

Last night I put 89 rounds of Winchester White Box 115 gr. JHP through it using only the aftermarket 13-round magazine that came with the gun (I don't expect I will ever use the 10-round factory magazine).

The 13-round magazine is finished in smooth, polished blue steel, has no markings on it, three witness holes on the right side of the magazine, and the black polymer follower has two cone shaped extensions which go down into the top of the spring. The mag functioned flawlessly. Anyone know if this is a Mec-Gar magazine?

The shooting session was as uneventful as one could hope for.... flawless functioning, even with lots of rapid fire, and accuracy was excellent. $399 VERY well spent!

No pics as yet (I still haven't photographed my two Browning HiPowers and I've had them a couple of years!)

BHPshooter
July 14, 2005, 12:58 AM
A couple of comparison pics, as promised. Let me apologize in advance for the crappy pictures, this POS camera is incapable of taking up-close shots.

First, the slide stop (Old-style on top, New-style on bottom):
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26439
You can see that the area near where the follower hits on an empty mag is relieved, and that the part is a tad thicker.


(Old-style on top, New-style on bottom)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26440
This pic is a lot crappier (sorry), but you can kinda see that the bottom part is a little beefier in manufacture, and has more machining/relief all-around.

Continued...

Wes

BHPshooter
July 14, 2005, 01:17 AM
Now, the barrels:

(Traditional style [1994] on top, new style [2003] on bottom)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26441
The traditional style BHP barrel (both pre-MkIII and MkIII) has always had a little lug on the barrel hood (the little nub you see on the top barrel).
On the new barrel, that is gone, and there is a little window where the extractor holds the cartridge to see if the chamber is loaded. You'll also notice that the bottom cam-lug has been reinforced.

(Traditional style [1994] at left, new style [2003] at right)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26442
The MkII and MkIII models from the past (like my 1994) came with their barrels throated from the factory, hence the flat feed ramp. BHPs before this had "humped" feed ramps*. Again, note the barrel hood lug on the barrel at left.

The new-style barrel comes throated from the factory and has the flat feed ramp, but is throated completely around the entire radius of the barrel... we're talking about some substantial throating. Like I said earlier, I think this would feed gravel if I wanted it to.

*My FEG has a humped feed-ramp, and the only feed-related jam I've ever had with it was with a couple of POS Triple-K mags that I promptly sent back... FWIW.

I tried to take pics of the differences on the frames, but my camera is just too crappy to get pics of them... I'll borrow a friend's digital Rebel soon and post the rest, and I'll also post an after-action report when I shoot it.

Wes

DHart
July 14, 2005, 01:32 AM
Wes... excellent effort... thanks for the work and for sharing the info and pics! Long live the Browning & FN Hi-Power!!!

Commissar Gribb
July 14, 2005, 08:08 AM
now I wanna get another one.

the one I got now is a browning/FN model

PCRCCW
July 14, 2005, 10:43 AM
Wes........hey, I may need your newer one for a mold. The parts you show may effect holsters enough to justify me having it for around 10-12 months. Bring LOTS of ammo also...........:D
In all honesty, nice nice nice. Call me when you can..................Shoot well

P95Carry
July 15, 2005, 02:16 PM
Wes, excellent write up and thx for your effort in so doing. Nicely added to as well by Don's contribution.

Interesting to see the changes over time, instance barrel, slide stop etc. Hope this will prove to be a good shooter for you. re rear sight - make sure you have with you at the range - a small hammer, a brass drift and a hardwood block. Plus too if pos' a second pair of hands. Then you can drift that sight over to where it probably may need to go.

Thx again. :)

Ford
July 15, 2005, 06:57 PM
got my FN from CDNN today.
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/3fab00a9_27e8/bc/Gun+Pics/fnwilsonblack.jpg?BCFLE2CBFW5oykle

NeveraVictimAgain
July 15, 2005, 08:59 PM
Congratulations, Ford!

Please let us know how you like it and how well it shoots. I'm thinking of getting one myself.

Regards,
Dave :)

mbott
July 15, 2005, 09:36 PM
Thefumegator said:

Yes, it's interesting to contrast and compare... Between my FEG clone (which is like a 70s BHP), my 94 BHP, and this 03 FN, it's a very interesting cross-section of what has happened with the hi-power line over the years.

Excellent selection ... I have the same. :)

--
Mike

GunGoBoom
July 15, 2005, 11:48 PM
Thanks for the write-up and beautiful pistols - man I can't believe how cheap the real deal is from CDNN! I may have to break down as well. Good photography, too.

AirPower
July 16, 2005, 12:30 PM
Has FN decided to stop making HiPower? If so, who's going to make them for Browning? Or is Browning also phasing out the HiPower? I can't think of any Browning pistol that's not HP.

Vitamin G
July 16, 2005, 01:44 PM
I definately want to pick up a FN or Browning soon, and send it off somewhere for all the typical "top of the line" modifications and polishings. I have an FM now, and I know that if I had them done to the FM, alot of people would subscribe to the "polishing a turd is still a turd" mentality, and I'd never get any resale out of it.

BHPshooter
July 16, 2005, 02:24 PM
Has FN decided to stop making HiPower? If so, who's going to make them for Browning? Or is Browning also phasing out the HiPower? I can't think of any Browning pistol that's not HP.

Yes, FN said that they plan to phase out the Hi Power -- I wish fnhipower.com was still up, it was discussed at length on there. That means that Browning (who is owned by FN) will not have Hi Powers to sell either.

As for other other FN/Browning pistols, the Browning PRO series is getting good reviews. http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/051251m.jpg

Vitamin G: I thought about having a little work done to my my FEG at one point, but I never could get past the fact that it was still a FEG. I might still have it refinished (you ought to see it :uhoh: ) but that'll probably be it.

Wes

Navy87Guy
July 17, 2005, 07:59 PM
Hmmmm....I've never been a fan of external safeties but that Hi Power looks sweet. I'm mostly a 9mm guy, so if I break down and get a single action pistol, this might have to be the one.

The CDNN catalog is rumored to be out at the end of next week...maybe I'll have to see what they're listing in the latest one.

Ford
July 17, 2005, 08:15 PM
put my first 150 rounds through my Hi Power today. It functioned flawless. Didnt even have any hammer bite I was worried about. ;) I did shoot low with it. Going to get a trigger job in it next week. Maybe that will help.

DHart
July 18, 2005, 12:30 AM
First 100 rounds through my new FN Hi-Power from CDNN - all systems go, flawless. Used only the 13 round mag that came from CDNN... I don't expect I'll ever use the 10 rounder. Just received two more 13 round MecGar mags from Impactguns.com and have two Browning branded 13-rounders on back order from Midway... gotta say a Hi-Power with 14 reliable rounds on tap is a nice thing indeed.

BTW, I removed the mag disconnect before even shooting it. THe resulting trigger pull is 7#. Definitely heavier than the 4.5# triggers on my two BHP forties that Don Williams worked on, but still quite serviceable for a defense gun. This FN HP will be visiting Don in September for a little trigger sweetening.

Jamie C.
July 18, 2005, 01:53 AM
Y'know, the Hi Power is just one of those pistols that I can't imagine not being made anymore... ( I feel the same about 1911's, BTW )

If FN really phases this one out, there's something seriously wrong with them, in my opinion.

But if they do... who do you folks think will most likely take up the torch, and continue on? ( As has happened with the 1911 )

Any guesses? Suppositions?

Or do you think this fine old pistol will be allowed to die? :eek:


J.C.

p.S. I'm still cussin' and snortin' 'cause I don't own one yet. But I'll fix that soon. :D ;)

AirPower
July 18, 2005, 03:19 AM
Any number of makers could do the job, especially now that the frame is cast formed. I'm sure Ruger has enough money and equipment to pull it off, I'd hate a Ruger HP even just thinking about it.

Kimber would be a natural candidate, so would Taurus, or Springfield. Even Sig is making 1911 now, maybe they'll do HP too.

Navy87Guy
July 18, 2005, 10:56 PM
Can anybody compare the FN Hi Power with the DA/SA version (Browning BDA/FN HP-DA)? I like the idea of a Hi Power, but I'd like something that I could possibly use for IDPA or USPSA -- and the SA version wouldn't be allowed in production (and I'm not anywhere near ready for limited or open).

I was wondering how the single actions compared between the two models. I don't mind the first shot being DA (I'm used to it with all of my other pistols) so if the single action if comparable, it's a possibility.

Thanks!

Jim

BHPshooter
July 19, 2005, 01:35 PM
Unfortunately, Saturday didn't go as planned, and I didn't get to shoot.

Monday is usually "doctor day," but I did get to escape for about an hour at sundown to put 100 rounds through the FN.

Reliability was the one thing that I wasn't worried about, and I didn't get a surprise in that aspect. I was a little bit worried about the sights being off, but they were set up very well. They were dead on for windage, a tad low (about 1.5") for elevation with 115-grain bullets.
With 124-grain bullets however, that turns into about 4 inches low. :uhoh: That's about my only concern... I'd like to get this gun regulated for 124-grain loads.

The trigger was MUCH better than I anticipated -- and it still has the magazine disconnect in place! I am very pleased thus far with this gun. It has a couple of little wrinkles, but we'll get them smoothed out, and this will make a fine carry gun.

I'll post some pics of the targets soon... I'm off to talk to the college advisor for now, though. ;)

Wes

strangebrew
July 19, 2005, 02:24 PM
wait, did you get it used? sorry for the dumb question but i thought High powers were way more expencive. I wanted one but decided on a cz75 because that is all i can afford, but if they are only 400 i may just get one.


One other stupid question, sorry i am new to handguns and i just want to get the right thing. What does cocked and locked mean? Some people have told me to go for the cz 75b because you dont have to carry it cocked and locked, with the BHP you do. Couldnt you just decock the BHP? and why does the cz75 not have to be cocked?

Sorry for highjacking the thread, but the price of this BHP from cdnn may change my mind about getting a cz.

Thanks

jason10mm
July 20, 2005, 03:44 PM
Actually, isn't Dan Wesson making in house BHPs? Has a HUGE billboard logo on the slide, IIRC.

I already have 3 "real" BHPs and the goofy, but servicable, Arcus 94. An FN for $400 might be too hard to pass up...

NeveraVictimAgain
July 20, 2005, 04:01 PM
Jason,

Please tell me what's "goofy" about the Arcus. I was thinking of buying one.

THANKS!
Dave

Navy87Guy
July 20, 2005, 04:54 PM
One other stupid question, sorry i am new to handguns and i just want to get the right thing. What does cocked and locked mean? Some people have told me to go for the cz 75b because you dont have to carry it cocked and locked, with the BHP you do. Couldnt you just decock the BHP? and why does the cz75 not have to be cocked?



Strangebrew -

No such thing as a dumb question!

For single-action pistols (like the BHP), you have to have it cocked before you fire. If you want to carry the pistol for defense (or competition shooting), you have to load it, cock it and engage the manual safety. That is "cocked and locked" -- the 1911 guys live that way.

For the CZ, which has a traditional DA/SA trigger, you don't have to keep it cocked because you can always fire in double action mode if yuo have to. It has the advantage that you can carry cocked and locked with the safety and shoot the first shot in single action. But it's not neccessary, like it is with the BHP.

Hope this helps!

Jim

BHPshooter
July 21, 2005, 12:14 PM
Strangebrew,
Nope, not used. Brand spankin' new.
As for the cocked and locked thing, it gets a little complicated...

There are single-action and double-action guns (to oversimplify things). The BHP is a single action, where the trigger does one thing (release the hammer). These designs have to have the hammer cocked to fire.

Double action (like the CZ-75) is where the trigger does two things (ie, cock the hammer, and then release it). These designs can have the hammer decocked [long, hard pull] or cocked [short, light pull] and the gun will fire.

Since the BHP is single action, it has to be cocked to fire. Since the gun cocks itself when you load it, and since one of the most inherently unsafe things you can do with an autopistol is to decock it by hand, you simply engage the thumb safety. Now the pistol is "cocked and locked."

Jason10mm,
Dan Wesson was rumored to be assembling Charles Daly's HPs for them. Judging from the one I handled, that's not saying too much, though. However, I suppose you can't judge on one specimen.

NeverAVictimAgain,
The Arcus is a good gun. The only goofy thing I can say about it is that the slide is square... I don't like that. Other than that, it is a top notch gun.

I'll get those targets up ASAP...

Wes

strangebrew
July 21, 2005, 04:03 PM
what would you guys sugest as my first hand gun purchase? I really like the BHP and the CZ75 but i just cant decide. Actually its my first nine millameter, i have a cz 52. If they are both about 400 dollars, then the price is right.

Ford
July 21, 2005, 04:50 PM
Never owned a CZ so I can't speak to that. You may want to consider the Hi-Power for one it is at a geat price from CDNN and two, if rumors are true you won't be able to buy them new any longer after these run out. I really like my Hi-Power. It feels great in the hand, functions flawless. I am having a trigger job done on it right now. It needs one. The trigger is a little rough out of the box.

Clean97GTI
July 21, 2005, 07:35 PM
This is looking to be a potential problem for guys who own neither BHP or CZ75.

The HP's are at a great price from CDNN and could be running out in the future.

The CZ75B is going up in price as the entire line gains more fame and popularity.

I bought my CZ75B a year ago for under $400 and would love to pick up a HP although I think I may go for one of the compact DA/SA models.
I already own two full-size guns.
one of which already happens to be from FN :D <--me when shooting it.

I also plan on purchasing a new FNP-40 or FNP-9 if I can't get the .40.
Fantastic guns. I bought a 9mm model for my GF and she absolutely loves it. I loved it too, but an unfortunate family event put her and her wunderwaffen back in Florida for an extended length of time. :(

Actually, in Belgium it could be called a wunderwaffen, arme de merveille, or wonder wapen. (they have 3 official languages there)

Then again, the FNP line is made in South Carolina, so I guess that would make it a fancy plastic pistol.

strangebrew
July 21, 2005, 08:07 PM
yeah, i am totally torn between a cz75b and an FN BHP. They are both excellent guns from what i hear and are both reasonably priced. I am leaning alittle bit more towards the cz75b though, since ive wanted one for awhile and I wouldnt have to carry it "cocked and locked"

So it is not safe to manual decock the BHP but it is for the cz? If you rack the slide on the CZ how can you not carry it cocked unless decocking first?

Ford
July 21, 2005, 09:11 PM
IMO I would not manually decock a Hi-Power to carry. It is safer to carry cocked and locked than to lower the hammer on a round.
for the CZ I am assuming that it has a decocker on it. It would be a lever that in the up position it would be a safety similiar to that on the Hi-Power but if you press the lever all the way down it would decock the weapon. This is common for DA/SA weapons.

thowell
July 22, 2005, 11:53 AM
The decocker on a CZ is a decocker only, not a safety.
I have two CZ's, a P-01 and a 75BD and recently got a CDNN FN Hi-Power.
In my opinion, the Hi-Power is a much better $400 pistol than the CZ's are.
The FN just feels slimmer and better balanced in my hand. It carries more comfortably in an IWB holster for me as well. It's been 100% reliable so far, (but so have my CZ's) and is fun to shoot. The interior on the FN is finished better than the interior of the CZ's as well.

I guess it boils down to value. The CZ is a great value when compared against a $600 Hi-Power, but at $400, the equation is changed significantly while CDNN's supplies last.
$400 FN HP > $400 CZ-75 > $600 Browning HP

I was under the impression that FN was just discontinuing the FN Hi-Power, but would be continuing to make the Browning Hi-Power?? But I'm not sure where I read that.

Trebor
July 22, 2005, 11:59 AM
for the CZ I am assuming that it has a decocker on it.

No. The standard for the CZ-75B is SA/DA with a safety that allows "cocked and locked" carry. To decock, you have to lower the hammer carefully to the half-cock notch by hand.

The CZ-75 BD has a decocker instead of a safety. Youy can not carry this pistol cocked. (Well, you could, but you'd be an idiot...)

I'm not sure how the smaller CZ-P01 is set up. I think it's only available in a decocker model. I think.

PorkFat
July 22, 2005, 04:19 PM
...a tad low (about 1.5") for elevation with 115-grain bullets.
With 124-grain bullets however, that turns into about 4 inches low.

Heavier bullets should hit higher since they stay in the barrel slightly longer during the recoil process. How far away are you shooting? My PT92 was hitting low with 115gr. @ 25 yards and it was killing me trying to figure out what it was. I almost butchered it with gawdy adjustable sights until I tried 124gr. and it fired to point of aim beautifully.

axeman_g
July 22, 2005, 10:28 PM
Love them both, just like apples and pears.

HP is great, but I am not a SA carry fan. HP is slimmer in body, yet grip is as bulky as my P01. P01 is decocker DA/SA and is not as lengthy as the HP, therefore not uncomfortable (to my fat a55 standards) to carry IWB in a car or sitting. They are both very accurate, both had average triggers to start and both smoother nicely, the CZ is better, but I have never polished my HP mags sides or removed the mag safety.
Quality on both guns are great, only quibles were grip screws on the P01 that lost there black coating instantly an the horrid plastic grip panels shipped with the HP. Buy the fancy CDNN grips if you can or a pair of rubber grips asap if you get the hp.
I shoot the CZ more consistently and use it in IDPA matches. I personally think the FN HP from CDNN is a steal, but feel the CZ P01 is a better everyday gun for me.

GET BOTH. Its just money.

Tecolote
July 24, 2005, 01:55 PM
Thefumegator,

Thanks for the reports.

CDNN FN owners-Would you recommend these as a buy? Browning marked HPs are going for $200 more than CDNN FNs. That's a big chunk of change difference.

DHart
July 24, 2005, 04:23 PM
Tecolote.... the $400 FN Hi-Power is the "real deal for a steal". Snooze and you will lose... enjoy!

Tecolote
July 24, 2005, 05:14 PM
I take that the CDNN FNs can use any grips made for the Browning marked HPs? In the pic posted by Thefumegator the left grip panel looks different from grips that I've seen on Browning HPs.

Ford
July 24, 2005, 05:29 PM
Would I recommend it. At $400 I would. I have put 200 rounds through mine. It functioned 100%. I did not care for the trigger. 300-400 more rounds and it would have smoothed out a little more but still probably not where I would want it. So for $50 more I am getting a trigger job done.
The only other gun that I would currently recommend that is in the $400 price range would be a Springfield XD. Though they are more like $480 +/-
I have always wanted a Hi-Power because of the ergonomics and because they are a peice of history.

Yes any grip made for a Hi Power should fit the FN. A FN and a Browning are the same thing. Brownings just have a different rollmark and a distributed more in the US.

DHart
July 24, 2005, 10:56 PM
FN manufactures BOTH the Browning HP and the FN HP... the only difference is the name brand stamped into the slide... the quality is the same, the gun is the same.

The FN's are being wholesaled through CDNN for $399 to clear the supply channels of FN-branded Hi-Powers.

FN (which owns Browning, by the way) has decided to sell Hi-Powers in the USA only under the Browning brand, so they decided to clear the USA pipeline of FN-branded HP's at a reduced price. When the supply of new FN's which are currently in the USA are all gone, you will only be able to by Hi-Powers in the USA under the Browning brand (starting at around $650 or so)... and even that availability is dubious, as there has been mention that FN may discontinue making the Hi-Power entirely.

The Browning/FN Hi-Power is quite arguably the finest semi-auto pistol at $400... many would argue that it is one o,f if not THE finest semi-auto pistol ever made. Just shoot one sometime and you'll see why. In fact, just hold one in your hand and it should be obvious.

The FN Hi-Power for $399 from CDNN is too good to pass up. I think the supply is nearing the end.

BHPshooter
July 25, 2005, 11:58 AM
Sorry for the absence guys, been terribly busy. :o

Thefumegator,

Thanks for the reports.

My pleasure, Tecolote. :)

CDNN FN owners-Would you recommend these as a buy? Browning marked HPs are going for $200 more than CDNN FNs. That's a big chunk of change difference.

I would absolutely recommend these as a buy. Exact same as a Browning (excluding very minor details, like rollmarks and grips) for about $200 less.

Like I said, the only grip I've got is that mine is shooting low... someday it will end up with Novak sights, so It won't be permanent, but as a carry pistol, it's still <a touch> irritating.

Heavier bullets should hit higher since they stay in the barrel slightly longer during the recoil process.

That's been the opposite of my experience... my friend's Taurus 24/7 .45 was shooting about 8-6" low with 230-grain loads, until we we found 165 grain loads, which were nearly dead on in that gun. :confused: I'm no expert, but that's what my experience has been.

I take that the CDNN FNs can use any grips made for the Browning marked HPs? In the pic posted by Thefumegator the left grip panel looks different from grips that I've seen on Browning HPs.

Yes, the FNs will use any properly sized Browning HP/FM/FEG/aftermarket grips. Frame dimensions vary, so fit may also vary, but most should work to your satisfaction. The grips that come on the FN are quite different than the "thumbrest" grips that come on Brownings -- the problem is, I can't decide which I like better. Seriously -- we've got a problem here!

I did not care for the trigger.

I didn't expect to like mine at all, but was oh-so-pleasantly surprised. It is VERY crisp, and lighter than I thought possible with the magazine disconnect intact. The problem with that system is that the trigger pull and creep depends on how rough the magazine is.

I'm Going to attempt surgery today and see how nice I can get it.

Wish me luck!
Wes

P.S. Pictures of the targets will come today -- I promise!

BHPshooter
July 26, 2005, 01:39 PM
Sorry guys, amid the Pioneer Day festivities (that's Utah's State Holiday), I got distracted. Fireworks here, a barbecue there... :)

Anyway, here are the targets. All shooting was done standing with a two-hand hold from approximately 7-8 yards. The targets are NRA B-3s. These groups, for my skill level, are excellent (that says a lot about the gun).
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26933
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26934

I purposefully omitted the third target, because half of the group was shot by my friend, and the other half of the group was the 124-grain bullets... it was indistinguishable which holes were from which shooter.

Wes

BHPshooter
July 26, 2005, 01:44 PM
Oops, those targets are inverted... The first one you see is the second one shot, and the lower one was the first one.

I was able to get the group to "move north" a little bit when I figured out that the six o'clock hold didn't work out as well as for my Browning.

You get the idea. ;)
Wes

P95Carry
July 26, 2005, 01:46 PM
Nothing wrong there Wes - glad you are liking the gun! :)

Tecolote
November 12, 2005, 01:58 AM
How has your FN HP worked out? Any problems?

Trebor
November 12, 2005, 07:20 AM
Mine runs fine. I've had a couple hundred rounds though it so far. The only problem was when my wife limp-wristed it and a case failed to eject. She can do that to almost any gun though. It's a gift.

danbh
November 12, 2005, 08:45 AM
How do you purchase a pistol from CDNN. I can't find them on the website....:confused:

P95Carry
November 12, 2005, 08:57 AM
www.cdnninvestments.com/

discusser
November 12, 2005, 02:19 PM
danbh,

CDNN doesn't show the firearms on their website. You have to go to their website and then download their catalog. It has the firearms listed in it.

raghorn
November 12, 2005, 03:17 PM
I ordered mine last week. :D

BHPshooter
November 13, 2005, 05:01 PM
How has your FN HP worked out? Any problems?

It's been an absolute dream. I am toying with the idea of getting another one from them before they run out. :uhoh:

Wes

tc300mag1
November 13, 2005, 05:11 PM
Greatwrite up thanks for taking the time to write it up .. ive been looking and thinking of getting one from CDNN for a while now

meef
November 13, 2005, 05:27 PM
It's been an absolute dream. I am toying with the idea of getting another one from them before they run out. :uhoh:

Wes

+1 on that!

I got one in 9mm a while back with the SFS safety feature. The price is great, the pistol was absolutely beautiful with a trigger far beyond what I expected in terms of smooth and crisp. I could not believe I could get so much quality for so reasonable a price.

I'm considering adding a .40 to the stable.

BHPshooter
November 13, 2005, 08:21 PM
Okay, I'm home from work now, so I can elaborate. :)

My FN has been completely reliable, but what I REALLY love about it is the trigger -- after Eric (of HBE Leatherworks) helped me get that stubborn magazine disconnect out, the trigger is beyond sweet.

The last time I went to see Eric, he wanted to know who I had work on the trigger. :D Other than the disconnect, I haven't done anything to the gun, but I would estimate that it is around 4 lbs, maybe a tad more. The trigger is crisper and lighter than my 1911's trigger.

Don't make me choose between my Browning and my FN -- I just can't -- but I get all hot and bothered just thinking about the trigger pull on the FN. :D I've fired my only true "one ragged hole" groups with this gun.

I'm tellin' ya, you can't beat these, especially for the price.

Wes

EDITED for spelling

raghorn
November 15, 2005, 04:45 PM
I picked mine up yesterday, blued with walnut grips. This gun is beautiful. One of the grip panels needed tightening and there were no dots painted on the sights. Fortunately my wife had some white nail polish, so I corrected both of those items immediately.

This morning I took it out and ran 200 rounds through it. It performed flawlessly with 115, 124 and 147 grain ammo. The lighter loads shot a bit low (about 1-2" at 10 yards), while the 147 grain bullets shot consistently to POA. The pistol's accuracy exceeds mine, I am very pleased.

It is now cleaned and resting comfortably in my IWB holster. :)

flusher
November 15, 2005, 06:32 PM
http://publish.hometown.aol.com/flusher2/myhomepage/gun%20browning%20hp%20ra.jpg?mtbrand=AOL_US

Boss Spearman
November 15, 2005, 09:11 PM
I'm guessing I first have to make arrangements with my FFL and tell them they'll be receiving a shipment, then contact CDNN and tell them where to ship? Their catalog says only FFLs can purchase guns. I'm a little unsure how to go about ordering one from them and having it sent to an FFL.

flusher
November 15, 2005, 09:30 PM
Send a signed copy of your dealers FFL with payment to CDNN.
CDNN will send thhe gun to the dealers address on the FFL.

Stinger1
November 15, 2005, 09:57 PM
I'm guessing I first have to make arrangements with my FFL and tell them they'll be receiving a shipment, then contact CDNN and tell them where to ship? Their catalog says only FFLs can purchase guns. I'm a little unsure how to go about ordering one from them and having it sent to an FFL.

Anyone can purchase from them but they can only ship to a FFL dealer. Call CDNN and talk to a salesman. You will make the purchase over the phone by credit card, they don't charge extra. Give them your Dealers name and address and have them check to see if he's already on file with them. It will save time of you having to get a copy of his ffl and submit it to them. If they have the copy on file they can ship it right away. That's all there is to it. When it comes in, your dealer will call you to come in and do the transfer and you've got your pistol.

RC

dk-corriveau
November 15, 2005, 10:04 PM
Ok, all of you are killing me. My wife has given me the ok to go get one:) , but since I run the finances of the house, I know that I should wait a while. :banghead: I have two 1911s and I have to get a HiPower in the family. My father has in his possession an FN Model 1922 that his father brought back from WWII with him and I think the three would make a great combination. So I am waiting patiently to pull the trigger, literally and figuratively. :D

Boss Spearman
November 15, 2005, 10:15 PM
Thanks. I'll do that. I'm pretty sure my FFL is on file with them. I know a couple of others in town who have ordered from CDNN and had them shipped to my FFL.

I may have to add one of those Mark IIIs to my list.

BHPshooter
November 16, 2005, 12:15 PM
Boss, you won't regret it. They're sweet little guns.

Wes

Marshall
November 16, 2005, 01:09 PM
Fo-shizzle Spearmzizzle, Hi-Powersizzle.

If it's fly you must buy! :D

Boss Spearman
November 16, 2005, 07:22 PM
If I do add a MKIII to my catalog, it will be laying alongside a BHP Standard, BHP Belgian, and a BHP .40 cal Practical. So it will be in good company.

poppy
November 18, 2005, 03:05 PM
Hi guys, I'm new to this board and I might have some useful info. I just purchased a Hi Power with the SFS system in 40 S&W thru gunbroker.com for $400 plus $20 shipping to my FFL. It is the polished blue model with wood grips and 3 factory mags and cleaning kit all in a hard case. The CDNN price for the same thing (except only 2 mags) is $500. CDNN still has the 9mm in matte finish for $400, but gunbroker is the only place I have seen any polished models left for this low price. I haven't received shippment yet and will be out of town next week, but I will let you know how it turns out. poppy

BHPshooter
November 19, 2005, 08:18 PM
Thanks for the tip, Poppy. Let us know how it shoots! :)

Wes

pinetree64
November 19, 2005, 09:35 PM
Ordered mine today with the wood grips and 2 extra 13 rounders. From my discussion with CDNN, supplies are getting low. Don't pass this one up. I almost did.

Karate
November 20, 2005, 06:37 AM
What is the SFS system?

raghorn
November 20, 2005, 12:36 PM
SFS stands for "Safety Fast Shooting system." To engage the safety on a pistol with SFS, you simply push the hammer forward. It will stop at a half-cock postition and the safety moves up and engages. To fire the pistol, you just sweep the safety down, like a conventional safety, and the hammer will automatically return to the cocked position.

Many folks feel it's an unnecessary addition to an already reliable system. Personally I like mine very much.

Here's a link that explains it more thoroughly:

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/sfs.shtml

mbs357
November 20, 2005, 02:31 PM
The worst thing they did the the HP was make a DA version.
I'm just glad they still make them in SA.

The_Antibubba
November 20, 2005, 05:17 PM
The CDNN catalog also has the FN HP in DA/SA. Anyone have experience with it?

Marshall
November 20, 2005, 08:39 PM
The CDNN catalog also has the FN HP in DA/SA. Anyone have experience with it?

A DA/SA Hi-power is not a Hi-power, not a Hi-power in it's legendary form anyway. From what I understand, inside they are night and day apart. The beauty of a Hi-power is it's simple and time proven design and workings, along with about 20 other beautiful aspects. But yes, they do offer a gun that looks like a Hi-power in DA/SA. ;)

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