Up Coming Letter On BBL Ban.


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recon
July 12, 2005, 07:52 PM
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jefnvk
July 12, 2005, 07:57 PM
How certain is it that the ATF is actually considering a ban. Also, what statue gives them the right to ban incoming parts? The gun is no longer a gun, since the reciever is the gun, and has been destroyed. Sounldn't the barrel be treated as a metal rod?

dolanp
July 12, 2005, 08:12 PM
The statute that basically gives them all of their power, to determine whether things are suitable for 'sporting purposes' whatever that means. Yeah you would think a barrel would just be an object but look at the situation with silencers...

Standing Wolf
July 12, 2005, 11:03 PM
Why don't we just pull the funding from the B.A.T.F.E. and send those individuals out to round up illegal aliens? After all, they do considerably more damage than the nation's firearms owners.

Tag
July 12, 2005, 11:06 PM
But then who would regulate all the illegal alcohol and tobacco?

j/k

javafiend
July 12, 2005, 11:44 PM
Several years ago I saw something hilarious (http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=3013AQVU9UPQ8HHL2XBN0LQ0EAKGDS57&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=39911&pid=&keyword=alcohol+tobacco+&section=prints&title=undefined&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular). Cartoon of a bunch of bureaucrats walking down a hallway in DC past door marked "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms," "Bureau of Caffeine, Cocaine & Plutonium," etc. Next timethat I get $125 to blow on something frivolous for the wall in my study, I will buy it.

jpIII
July 13, 2005, 11:00 AM
Shamelessly copied from here (scroll down)
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OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS
AND REGISTERED IMPORTERS OF U.S. MUNITIONS IMPORT LIST ARTICLES


www.atf.gov/firearms/071305openletter.htm

U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives

Assistant Director


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington, DC 20226

www.atf.gov



July 13, 2005

OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS
AND REGISTERED IMPORTERS OF U.S. MUNITIONS IMPORT LIST ARTICLES


The purpose of this open letter is to provide important information to importers concerning the lawful importation of certain frames, receivers and barrels.

Importation of Frames, Receivers or Barrels of Firearms Under Title 18 U.S.C. § 925(d)(3)

Section 925(d) provides standards for the importation of firearms and ammunition into the United States. In particular, section 925(d)(3) provides that the Attorney General shall authorize a firearm to be imported if it meets several conditions: (1) it is not defined as a firearm under the National Firearms Act (NFA); (2) it is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes; and (3) it is not a surplus military firearm. However, the subsection further provides that “in any case where the Attorney General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled.”

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has determined that the language of 18 U.S.C. § 925(d)(3) permits no exceptions that would allow frames, receivers or barrels for otherwise non-importable firearms to be imported into the United States. Accordingly, ATF will no longer approve ATF Form 6 applications for importation of any frames, receivers, or barrels for firearms that would be prohibited from importation if assembled. No exceptions to the statutory language, for example for “repair or replacement” of existing firearms, will be allowed.

ATF recognizes that importers have, in the past, obtained import permits authorizing the importation of barrels and receivers for non-importable firearms for "repair or replacement" and may have entered into contracts in reliance upon such authorizations. In order to mitigate the impact of ATF’s change in import policy and to allow importers a reasonable period to come into compliance, ATF will forgo enforcement of this import restriction for 60 calendar days and allow importers holding existing permits to continue to import barrels and receivers for a period of 60 calendar days. ATF believes this time period is adequate for importers who have entered into binding contracts for the sale and shipment of such barrels and receivers to complete the process of importing the items into the United States. ATF will advise Customs and Border Protection that in no event should these permits be accepted to release these items for entry into the United States after September 10, 2005.

Importers are reminded that ATF previously approved permits for non-importable barrels and receivers for repair or replacement only, and this restriction was stamped on the face of the permit. Importers who import such components for any purpose other than repair or replacement of existing firearms, e.g., for assembly into new firearms, will be exceeding the scope of the import authorization in violation of law. If ATF determines, through inspection or otherwise, that an importer willfully violates the import provisions of the GCA, the importer's license is subject to revocation pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 923(e).

Importers holding approved import permits for non-importable barrels and receivers will receive a letter prior to September 10, 2005, advising them that their permit has been suspended.
This determination affects importers as follows:

IF YOU SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION TO IMPORT FRAMES, RECEIVERS AND BARRELS ON OR AFTER THE DATE OF THIS LETTER, AND THE PERMIT IS FOR NONSPORTING FIREARMS, SURPLUS MILITARY FIREARMS, OR NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS, ATF WILL DENY YOUR APPLICATION.


IF YOU HAVE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO IMPORT FRAMES, RECEIVERS AND BARRELS THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN DENIED OR APPROVED BY ATF AND THE PERMIT IS FOR NONSPORTING FIREARMS, SURPLUS MILITARY FIREARMS OR NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS, ATF WILL DENY YOUR APPLICATION.


IF YOU ALREADY HOLD AN APPROVED PERMIT TO IMPORT FRAMES, RECEIVERS AND BARRELS “FOR REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT,” ATF WILL BE SENDING YOU A LETTER EXPLAINING THAT YOUR PERMIT WILL BE SUSPENDED AFTER SEPTEMBER 10, 2005, AND PROVIDING YOU WITH INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR RIGHT TO SUBMIT ARGUMENTS WHY YOUR PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED.
Maintaining open lines of communication is vital to the successful future of ATF’s partnership with the import community. The Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch staff is available to answer your questions about the issues addressed in this letter. You may reach us by phone at 202-927-8320 or by fax at 202-927-2697. Additional information regarding this issue will be provided on our Website at www.atf.gov.



Sincerely yours,



Lewis P Raden
Assistant Director
(Enforcement Programs and Services)

Crosshair
July 13, 2005, 01:19 PM
Would they REALLY be able to stop someone from sending a package of parts kits from some country to the US? They would just have to label it as "machine parts" and it should get through customs no problem. Not that I am going to try, I'm just wondering what is going to prevent this. What would be the penalty if someone got caught? They arn't importing whole guns, so I am curious.

Correia
July 13, 2005, 01:55 PM
Crosshair, they couldn't do a dang thing about it, but that is small potatoes. What this does is gut the kit and home building industry, and is a huge kick to many of the small gun companies that make black rifles based on kits.

Kramer Krazy
July 13, 2005, 02:25 PM
From 1994, when the AWB took effect, until about 2003, I didn't know a thing about these kits and firearms being assembled from domestic receivers and other US-made parts. The AWB made me lose interest in the firearms being limited and banned, as I has stocked up on ones I wanted before it went into effect. When I started to get back into my firearms hobby, while the AWB was still in effect, I couldn't figure out how so many AKs, FNs, and HKs were being advertised, at low prices, in the Shotgun News. After some asking around and research, I found out about this "loop hole" that resulted in so many domestically assembled firearms banned from import under the AWB. So.......it looks like, with the AWB dieing, the antis found another way to hinder us from some of the firearms we love so much. They've found a way to close the loop-hole......until we find another......or just start manufacturing the guns with domestic receivers and barrels. You'd think the antis would give up, eventually......then, again....they are probably saying the same about us. :banghead:

Crosshair
July 13, 2005, 03:22 PM
Looks like those compaies will be importing lots of "machine parts". :evil:

dolanp
July 13, 2005, 03:26 PM
Would they REALLY be able to stop someone from sending a package of parts kits from some country to the US? They would just have to label it as "machine parts" and it should get through customs no problem. Not that I am going to try, I'm just wondering what is going to prevent this. What would be the penalty if someone got caught? They arn't importing whole guns, so I am curious.

When one or two do get caught and prosecuted to the maximum extent to make an example, the rest will probably back off such a dangerous and illegal idea.

There are international treaties and various other laws about importing firearms parts.

stevelyn
July 13, 2005, 07:16 PM
In particular, section 925 (d) (3) provides that the Attorney General shall authorize a firearm to be imported if it meets several conditions: ...........

'Scuse me while I adjust the Reynolds Wrap, but what are the chances of the BATFEces' actions originating from the AG's office which is occupied by an appointee of "the gun owner's friend" President Bush? :rolleyes:

This is as good a reason as any to strip "Sporting Purposes" from the language of the law. The term is purely arbitrary and subject to the whims, prejudices and interpretations of those deciding what the definition is. It can include anything and everything. :fire:

recon
July 13, 2005, 07:17 PM
60 days to import! The importers have until Sept-10-2005 to get there stuff in the pipeline! After that forget it!

Crosshair
July 14, 2005, 12:37 AM
dolanp

When one or two do get caught and prosecuted to the maximum extent to make an example, the rest will probably back off such a dangerous and illegal idea.

There are international treaties and various other laws about importing firearms parts.

I highly doubt it, there is just too much of a market for them. We can't keep illegal drugs from getting in the country. You think we are going to have better luck with pieces of metal.

/Hopes this leads to the stripping of the "Sporting Purposes" from the law.

jefnvk
July 14, 2005, 02:40 PM
We can't keep illegal drugs from getting in the country. You think we are going to have better luck with pieces of metal.

But you don't see companies like Wal-Mart or Rite-Aid bringing in the drugs, do you?

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