[lapidator]

Does anyone have an online source for video of the shock and awe campaign?

darn work!

lapidator

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

This ain't a teevee special. People are getting killed.

- pdmoderator

[Bulldozer]

The business of bombarding a foe is never a pleasant thing. I would think that any of us that has seen any sort of firefight would give it the proper respect it deserves.

This is not some Fourth of July picnic fireworks show. There are real people out there -- some hostile, others innocent that are dying.

Please take "The High Road" on this one.

[lapidator]

Sorry for wanting to see our military effecting our will.

lapidator

[Preacherman]

Folks, as others have pointed out, please remember that each time you see the bloom of an explosion on your TV, someone - perhaps a lot of people - is/are dying in that glow. The war is, I think, necessary: certainly, it's now unavoidable: but that doesn't mean we should rejoice in death and destruction. I believe that our leaders have carefully targeted their strikes to minimize destruction and death, confining it to those people and places that simply have to go - but we still don't have to rejoice in it. Remember how we felt when we saw Palestinians rejoicing in the streets over the deaths of so many thousands of our countrymen on 9/11? Well, we don't want to appear the same to those in the Middle East who are watching our reaction now...

[gun-fucious]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/sprj.irq.war.main/index.html


Top administration and U.S. intelligence officials say there is "complete confusion ... complete disarray" in the senior Iraqi leadership, CNN Senior White House Correspondent John King reported Friday.

The officials say that if Saddam Hussein is alive, he is "not in minute-to-minute control" of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi government, King reported.

[Quartus]

The war is, I think, necessary: certainly, it's now unavoidable: but that doesn't mean we should rejoice in death and destruction.


Amen.

[Autolite]

and I figure that I have a pretty good idea of what's happening over there. Just stay online right here. I was anxiously waiting the start of the big bombardment, not to see the destruction video, but to encourage and speed-up the surrendering process. I mean, that's the point, right? That's what this mass attacking is all about ...

(No offence intended to lapidator, his need to see what's happening, I feel, is valid ...)

[lapidator]

I can see it now, 40 years from now when my grandson asks, "what was it like during the war with Iraq?"

Me: "well, i didn't want people to think i was happy that we were finaly doing the right thing by eliminating a mass-murderer and his inhumane regime -- so i didn't read the paper, didn't watch tv and stopped surfing the net. And people thought better of me."

You know, there is a difference -- the Palastinians were cheering the actions of homicidal maniacs. I simply want to see the morally correct actions of our military performing their duties.

I suppose you folks are going to cancel the ticker-tape parade in Times Square for the troops when they get back, because that would be celebrating death and destructin?

(what has this world come to?)

lapidator

[gun-fucious]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030321/mdf237980.jpg

And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030321/161/3l0dj.html

[Autolite]

I have no problem with it. Pres Bush has been showing restraint. Blame civillian casulties where it belongs, on Saddam. The bombardment will stop in a heartbeat as soon as SH or his cronies cry 'uncle' ...

[2dogs]

Geez, give the guy a break- all he did was ask for online video source. I don't recall him stating he wanted to dance, smeared in the blood of innocents.

Lighten up. I think everyone gets bombs falling on people isn't pleasant without being told.

Try MSNBC online.

[Ian]

Frankly, there's hardly anything to see. The neatest thing I've seen on any of the news stations was some live footage of the 7th Cav passing a burned out T-55 hulk from the last Gulf War.

Sorry for wanting to see our military effecting our will.By "our will," you mean "Lapidator and some other peoples' will" right? Not all of us think this war is a good thing to do...

[Autolite]

I recall reading somewhere that 'Bomber Harris', (CO of England's Bomber Command during the Big One), made a comment something like; 'An entire German city was not worth the life of a single British soldier'. (He was expressing his attitude toward the mass bomber raids that destroyed cities like Dresden). The man clearly had no post-war political aspirations ...

[gun-fucious]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030321/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_iraq&cid=540&ncid=1480

U.S. Begins Massive Air Assault on Iraq
14 minutes ago


By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A barrage of mighty explosives crashed down Friday on Baghdad, sending enormous fireballs and clouds of smoke billowing high into the night sky above the Iraqi capital.

[ImJustRick]

We're paying for this war, and we will be paying for it for years to come.

I'd like to see what 30% of my salary is going towards.

-R

[Bulldozer]

I have no problems with watching it. I have to agree with Preacherman's post 100%. We are witnessing history.

Observe, know that we are doing the right thing, but to take pleasure in another person's death,.... well the Bible has something to say about that in the books of Leviticus and Proverbs.

[dev_null]

Little too much PC going around here.

lap, you'll probably have to do what most people at work are doing: make the rounds of the news websites.

-0-

[MitchSchaft]

Geez, give the guy a break
Amen. Take the high road, not the PC road.

[Logistar]

I want to watch it too. -Not because it is fun to watch people get blown up but I'd like to keep up with current events.

If I make a comment or statement regarding the war (or anything else for that matter) I'd like to know as much as possible about it.

- That is one reason I keep (and suggest that EVERYONE has) a decent ShortWave radio. I like to hear the news from other's perspectives. - Not that I don't completely TRUST the news media here, of course! ;)

Logistar

[cuchulainn]

This plays well, even when you take it upt to full screen: http://www.sky.com/shared/videoasx/1,,p2_20030321un-31200-bb,00.asx

Pray for those folks :(

[Atticus]

An amazing display of precise firepower. As I watched this on MSNBC, I found two other things to be equally amazing.

1) Ten minutes after the strike, Iqaqi's were strolling the sidewalks watching the fires burn. What does that tell you about their knowledge of US intent (and accuracy)?

2) That idiodic Peter Arnette laughing during the broadcast of the event. Apparently he wasn't aware that he was still on the air. I wonder if the Iraqi intelligence folks will pay him a vist before this is done.

[P12]

I agree, we are witnessing history. I think we are also witnessing a very strong message to the rest of the world. That if you participate in terrorist activity we will introduce you to the gates of hell.

I feel for the civilians that will die. Unfortunatly it cant be helped.

[Monkeyleg]

P 12: "I feel for the civilians that will die. Unfortunatly it cant be helped."

I also feel for them, and this war saddens me. What saddens me more is that Saddam is such a barbarian that he would move military assets into population centers, in effect using civilian casualties as a PR stunt. That is as ruthless a behavior as I've ever seen.

[Peetmoss]

All you guys may think I am a jerk or not PC enough, but I really enjoyed seeing all the explosions. I knew people were dying and I didn't really care. As long as my countrymen made it out ok. The Iraqies new we were coming and we were going to put one hell of a hurtin on Bahgdad, if they didn't get out of the way thats there problem. I thourghly enjoyed seeing my tax dollars at work:D

[Autolite]

He said that the 'enemy', when entering Iraq, are going to meet an 'inferno'. Looks like he pegged that one ...

[ahadams]

y'see folks all of those things were in the "government" part of the city...even a couple of SH's "palaces" if I understand it correctly. So other than them all we saw go up was the oil refinery south of the river...or does anyone feel they'd hang around an oil refinery in an air raid? Or are we to believe that these various government buildings were not evacuated of people well beforehand? Neither of those would make a whole lot of sense considering all this happened late at night Iraqi time...and on a Friday (which I *think* is their Sunday) to boot.

Also if you've watched either the BBC live feed (down now) or the MSNBC live feed you'll notice that there are patrol vehicles and military trucks moving on the lit streets of the residential neighborhoods, but no emergency vehicles anywhere. hmm....

[Crimper-D]

I am delighted to see that they are waging war ( a cruel and nasty business) with extrodinary care to accomplish the goals of their leaders and the national will without indiscriminate promiscuous slaughter of the innocent. The technology of waging cruel war seems to make their targeting and manuvering precise enough to take out the bad guys without unnecessary "Colateral Damage" and at minimal risk to our forces - until that risk is justified...by necessity:cool:
War is still Hell, but it appears to be very neatly directed at those who _Deserve_ it.
We live in INTERESTING Times:)
Pray for our troops and their allies...............

[Double Naught Spy]

lapidor, I would not worry to much about not having a TV. From the looks of things, neither does Saddam! :p

[ahadams]

double nought has a good point - to say nothing of finding an open gas station in Baghdad this morning! :D

[Double Naught Spy]

Going back and reading the posts, there is nothing wrong with wanting to see the action going on in Bagdad. Yes, every time a bomb drops people are going to be getting killed. That is idea for the most part is the erradicate the enemy or stress them out so badly that the enemy is not willing to fight.

Rejoice in the death of our enemies? I don't think wanting to see the footage on TV has anything to do with rejoicing at the death of our enemies. To be quite honest, I am rejoicing in the fact that we are able to get so much done WITHOUT putting our people in harm's way or not putting them in harm's way as much anymore than we have had to do with previous campaigns. I am rejoicing in the fact that we are able to do a pretty darned good job of avoiding non-military targets. The whole of Bagdad was not bombed, just specific buildings and those buildings were thought to be relevant to the war effort.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being thrilled that the war effort is going as well for us as it is. After all, it really sucks when we get our butts kicked as has happened in the past and nobody likes that.