[Slater]

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=657

This thing looks like the "Transformer" of rifles. How many militaries use it?

[boofus]

I think the Austrian military and Australians currently use it.

[NoViuM]

Most people get a little chub when in the presence of these rifles. I have yet to shoot one, but I hear they're verry accurate, very little recoil and just a dream to shoot. I shoot left, and i'm not sure how much I want scalding hot brass shooting in my face.

[Dionysusigma]

I believe the Irish use them too. Last time I was over there, I saw a few uniformed people toting them around while on guard duty.

I know what you're thinking, but this was in Galway. ;)

[Fenris Wolf]

How many militaries use it?
Austria
Australia
New Zealand
Irland
Luxemburg
Indonesia or Malaysia
(Some SWAT Teams, e.g. in Germany SWAT South Bavaria)


I don't like the Bullpup-Design, but the AUG is a very accurate rifle. The short length makes it a good rifle for hunters.


I shoot left, and i'm not sure how much I want scalding hot brass shooting in my face.
As far as I know you can change from right to left shooter in a few minutes. Not fast enough for the army, but for sport shooters it's OK.


Fenris

[Eightball]

very accurate rifle. . .a good rifle for hunters.
Good for hunters? Where can we "hunters" get our hands on one that's legal? :D

[Fenris Wolf]

Where can we "hunters" get our hands on one that's legal? Move to Germany! :neener:

For hunters:
Steyr Mannlicher OA-UG .223Rem.
1900 Euro -> about 1700 $
http://www.oberlandarms.com/images/waffen/langwaffen/oaug/3.jpg

For sport shooters (stupid German gun law):
Steyr Mannlicher OA-UG Sport .223Rem.
1900 Euro -> about 1700 $
http://www.oberlandarms.com/images/waffen/langwaffen/oa-ug-sport.jpg


To buy the first one you need a hunting licence.


Fenris

[Fenris Wolf]

@NoViuM

On the pictures you can see that it is possibel to change the AUG for left shooters.


Fenris

[mattw]

A friend's father worked for the DEA and now works for INS, he says they use Styer AUGs :D

[Cesiumsponge]

Beautiful guns in my opinion (if you're into ultra modern stuff). They're spendy too. Gunshop had one here for $3000 and that's cheap.

[boofus]

:(
Torturing us with pictures of what's available overseas. Stupid ATF... those rifles are even considered 'sporting' by the Europeans, yet they are not allowed over here.
:banghead:

[Kurt]

ON ALTERNATIVE EJECTION.....

It's a bit more than just an adjustment, and "lefties" will need another separate bolt.

But it's an easy exchange.


:)

[dasmi]

What an ugly gun. Ick. :barf: :barf:

[Kurt]

That may or may not be true dasmi, but that's a shaky criteria for judgement. Take the Beretta CX4 Storm - a gun that has just about only "looks" going for it.

Got ballistics?


:)

[Knife_Sniper]

Thats a NICE find of photos showing configurations I have never seen before!

Ugly rifle?

Absolute beauty in functionality. The only gun I find more beutfiful is the P90.

[MNine]

The Australian and New Zealand Army use the Australian copy the F-88. I think it is built in Lithgow. It has been reputed to have major problems listed in the below links. I know that the SWAT teams in NZ replaced their aging M16A1s with M4s.

http://www.australiandefender.com.au/stories/tagct.pdf

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/853541/posts

[clange]

I've gotten the chance to shoot one of those two times. Very very neat gun to shoot.

If i ever win the lottery i'll be getting one right after the MP5.

[RevDisk]

This thing looks like the "Transformer" of rifles. How many militaries use it?

Well, I wasn't issued it, but I did have a chance to use it. :neener:

I'm the guy with the AUG, with the 40mm, pointed straight up, far right. It was fun to shoot, but I didn't like it. The ergonomics were not nice.


http://www.revdisk.net/photos/IrishUS.jpg

[Rovi]

Well, I wasn't issued it, but I did have a chance to use it.Hey, hey. Hanging with the Irish Army, eh? :)
Was that photo taken in Bosnia (SFOR) or Kosovo (KFOR)?

We see AUGs all the time here in Ireland, as our army provides armed escort for security trucks delivering cash to banks, etc.

Loads more pictures here-
http://www.specops.superhost.pl/technika/bron_strzelecka/Steyr_Mannlicher_AUG/steyr_aug.htm


Here's a recent photo from one of our major daily newspapers (Irish Independent, Monday, 11 July, 2005)-
http://tinypic.com/8y6iio.jpg
Temperatures reached the mid 80s (F) here for a few days (don't snicker, that's HOT for Ireland!), and these poor sods had to form a guard of honour for hours.
I think the guy who did the face plant on the cobblestones is actually lying on his AUG.

[ak47nevada]

Mid-80s? :neener:

[444]

I think it was something like 117 degrees yesterday, here in Las Vegas.

"Torturing us with pictures of what's available overseas. Stupid ATF... those rifles are even considered 'sporting' by the Europeans, yet they are not allowed over here."

Who said they weren't allowed over here ? They are readily available if you have the money. There were two guys shooting them in my Gunsite basic carbine class. It seemed to me like they both had problems with them but I didn't pay attention to what exactly these problems were. During the night shoot I fired one of them because it had a magnified optic. I only fired a couple rounds so I can't really comment on it.

[RevDisk]

rofl

Mid-80s?

Yea. Mid 80's I've seen soldiers die from heat stroke in temperatures barely above that. High humidity doesn't allow the body to cool itself. Dark coloured uniforms do not help matters, especially dress uniforms. They do not allow for good air circulation and they trap body heat like no tomorrow. Standing at rigid attention for hours on end is not fun either. Plus rifle and other stuff on the uniform.

My tech school graduation was in class A's, on a day in the mid 90's. Mind you, Georgia summer heat and humidity. The speakers were under shade. The soldiers were not. Direct summer sun on uniforms that are a super dark shade of green. After 20, 30 minutes of droning folks going on and on, I hear the first THUD. Then another. And another. After a while, I notice most of the folks still standing were soaked like they were taking a shower in their uniform, shaking like they walked into a meat locker wearing a speedo, and a nasty pale colour. I near blacked out myself a few times before someone thankfully snatched the mic away from the speakers and ended the "guest speaker" segment. After I got back, I alternated vomitting and sipping as much water as I could keep down, while shaking uncontrollably.

Again, heat casualties are a big problem and people regularly die from it. Drinking tons of water helps, but does very little if your body's natural cooling methods are not functioning.

I'd take 117 degrees of dry heat, wearing loose clothing in the shade with tons of water over 85 degrees of insane humidity, wearing dark constrictive clothing in the direct sunlight with no water. Any day of the week, and twice on Saturday.

Err, end of rant. ;)

Yep. Loved hanging out with the Irish Army. Lots of toys. They had nothing to compare to our Barrett rifles, though, which were the object of the most drool of all the countries present. Even more than the Mk 19 auto grenade launcher. I wouldn't be surprised if our joint exercises resulted in a lot of business for Ronnie amoung the Euro militaries.

I know this is slightly OT, but can anyone tell me what this MG is? The Irish called it the "general purpose machine gun". Uh, not very informative.

http://www.revdisk.net/photos/IrishMG.jpg

Never fired anything like it with any other military, but something in the back of my brain is telling me it's an old US Army weapon with new optics and tripod.

[Slater]

Isn't that the MAG 58, which is basically our M240?

[Rovi]

Just for the record and in case anyone might assume that I know what I'm talking about here, I'm not and never have been a member of the IDF (Irish Defence Forces), and this information was gleaned from buddies of mine who HAVE been there and gotten the t-shirt, etc.

According to them, the Irish Army's GPMG is the FN MAG (aka. M240)-
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/2_17RNSWR/main_files/MAG58-SFMG.jpg

More info at http://world.guns.ru (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg06-e.htm)
Apparently, MAG stands for 'Mitrailleuse d'Appui General,' which means........... General Purpose Machine Gun :D


So far as anyone's willing to say, the Irish military don't have any .50 calibre sniper weapons, but the Army Ranger Wing (our special forces unit) use the Accuracy International L96 in 7.62x51.

At least, that's what they told me :D

[Clean97GTI]

I'd take 117 degrees of dry heat, wearing loose clothing in the shade with tons of water over 85 degrees of insane humidity, wearing dark constrictive clothing in the direct sunlight with no water. Any day of the week, and twice on Saturday

Anytime you feel like coming out here for a summer and actually doing it, I'm sure the desert SW crew will welcome you.

The nice thing about humidity is that it causes you to sweat.
Here, with the humidity around 12%, you just get hotter and hotter and hotter. The ONLY escape is shade or shelter. To give you some idea of what the desert heat is like, plug in a hairdryer, turn it on and stare at it.

I lived and worked in Southern Florida for a year. I did construction during the heat of summer.
I'll take your humidity ANY DAY over working outside in 110°+

We have several deaths every year out here from people hiking and camping. People have died a single hill away from a road or a lake.

[444]

That is sort of a running joke around here. A statement always associated with tourists from back east.
When working out in the sun, and you have ear wax running down the side of your head because it melted, one guy will look at the other and say, Damn it's hotter than hell today and the other guy will say, "Yeah, but it's a dry heat". And both laugh like maniacs.

[Clean97GTI]

so true!

hey, 444
If you don't mind answering, what part of the valley are you in?

Myself, I'm just outside of Green Valley.

I would like to mention a new way of removing cosmoline from a milsurp firearm. Leave it in the LV summer sun for a few hours, pick it up with a towel, cause its too hot to hold, and watch it drain.

[444]

I live at the other end of town from you. Near the 215 x Cheyenne.
I have used that method of removing cosmoline many times. I usually go outside every half hour and wipe the stock down with a paper towel. I don't care how long you spend letting that stock sit in the sun, when you take it out to shoot, more will come out.
Most people who work outside around here start work before daylight and quit around noon. Anything that has been sitting in the sun will cause burns when you pick it up. Lay down a hammer for a couple minutes and it will burn your skin when you pick it up.
Continuing to drift off topic, I spent my time in the big green machine at Ft. Bliss (El Paso TX). That was another hot place. The tops of my ears were scabs most of the time. That was when we wore OD green soft caps (pickle suit): no boonie hats back then.
A week or two ago, we were playing around at work with someones paintball gun. I shot the license plate on my pickup a few times. When we were done we hosed off the parking lot and the stuff we shot with paintballs. I made the mistake of accidently spraying my windshild that has been sitting in the sun all day and it cracked from top to bottom in several places.

Sorry for the thread drift, but in Las Vegas at this time of the year your mind is on the weather.

[Bluey]

I understand most of the aussie troops are pretty happy with the AUG, but the fellas running the country want to replace a lot of the equipment with refitted ex US stuff, so we can be compatable with US deployments we tag along with.
I don't have any experience with it yet, but I'm hopeing to find out for myself in a couple of months.

[Group9]

A friend's father worked for the DEA and now works for INS, he says they use Styer AUGs

I bet what he actually said was that he used to work for Customs, and now he works for ICE. The are the only federal agency I know of that ever issued Steyer Augs.

[RevDisk]

Anytime you feel like coming out here for a summer and actually doing it, I'm sure the desert SW crew will welcome you.

I do. Every single year.


The nice thing about humidity is that it causes you to sweat.
Here, with the humidity around 12%, you just get hotter and hotter and hotter. The ONLY escape is shade or shelter. To give you some idea of what the desert heat is like, plug in a hairdryer, turn it on and stare at it.

When humidity is insanely high, said sweat doesn't evaporite. Yep. I'm vastly familiar with desert heat. I'll see yer "desert heat" and up ya a body armor. :neener:



I lived and worked in Southern Florida for a year. I did construction during the heat of summer.
I'll take your humidity ANY DAY over working outside in 110°+

Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. :D

[nico]

I don't care how long you spend letting that stock sit in the sun, when you take it out to shoot, more will come out.
I don't know about that. My SKS was on my dash board, wrapped in paper towels and a black trash bag for about a week. I also wiped it down with mineral spirits several times. I took it to the range for the first time last week and put about 100 rounds through it, with the barrel and gas piston getting too hot to touch, and (to my surprise) no cosmo ever came out.

[Rovi]

Well, it looks like I've successfully derailed this thread with my picture of the fainting Irish soldier :D

My apologies to the Mods.


In the interests of further thread drift, humidity here has been running around 90-95% for the past few weeks. This may go some way to explaining why fit young men succumb to attacks of the vapours when forced to stand in the blazing sun (mid-80s F :neener:, thank you ak47nevada :D ) for hours at a time, while wearing the most unsuitable clothing possible.

Please remember though, over here we consider temperatures in excess of 80F to be 'sweltering,' and anything more than a few degrees below freezing is a sure sign of the dawn of a new ice age.
The country grinds (slides?) to a halt when we get our annual 1 day of snow, 1 inch deep.
We're more used to telling the seasons apart by the temperature of the rain. :D

[RevDisk]

According to them, the Irish Army's GPMG is the FN MAG (aka. M240)-

More info at http://world.guns.ru
Apparently, MAG stands for 'Mitrailleuse d'Appui General,' which means........... General Purpose Machine Gun

So far as anyone's willing to say, the Irish military don't have any .50 calibre sniper weapons, but the Army Ranger Wing (our special forces unit) use the Accuracy International L96 in 7.62x51.


Ahhhh, I get it now. Doh. I asked them what the weapon was, and they kept saying "GPMG" while grinning. Nevermind, long story. Short version, the Irish were having fun at my expense. I forgive them for two reasons. Potcheen (spelling?) and the drinking binge in Shannon, Ireland. I passed out the entire trip back across the pond.

The severely different optics and lack of a buttstock makes it look rather different from an M240 varients I used. Come to think of it, I've never used a tripod mounted M240.


The Irish do have M2's. (Photo (http://www.revdisk.net/photos/M2.jpg), note the brass pile. :evil: ) But no .50 cal sniper rifles when I was working with them. Hence the tears when they had to hand back the M82A1.