[rick_reno]

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/politics/12116684.htm

Mexican candidate says U.S. must liberalize immigration

BY MICHELLE MITTELSTADT

The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - While Mexico has enhanced security since the Sept. 11 attacks, future cooperation hinges on U.S. willingness to liberalize its immigration policies, former Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda warned Congress on Tuesday.

Castaneda, who is running as an independent in the 2006 presidential race, said security must be twinned with what he called the "whole enchilada" - legalization for the 6 million Mexicans living here illegally, visas for Mexicans desiring to come here in the future, and economic development for impoverished interior regions responsible for the exodus.

"There can be no future cooperation beyond what already exists without some form of immigration package," he told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during a border security hearing.

Just as immigration is a volatile topic in the United States, Castaneda said the idea of enhanced U.S.-Mexican cooperation on security issues, such as military-to-military involvement, is "very, very sensitive" to Mexicans.

"It is not easy for any Mexican government to move forward on that," he said. "It can be done in a package. If it's done in a sort of salami-type arrangement - slice by slice - I'm not sure it's going to work."

But Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., pointed to the difficulties inherent in enacting a massive immigration-and-security package and instead suggested that both countries tackle measured "confidence-building" steps.

"I can't agree with you that we have to do this in totality," Dodd said. "As a practical matter, it's just very difficult to anticipate Congress adopting large comprehensive proposals."

The Senate Judiciary Committee on July 27 will consider rival proposals that would create guest worker programs for many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants of all nationalities already here.

One, by Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., would provide a path to citizenship after six years as a guest worker. The other, being drafted by GOP Sens. John Cornyn of Texas and Jon Kyl of Arizona, would require the guest workers to return home when their visas expire.

Both bills include enhanced border security measures but fall short of the expansive framework advanced by Castaneda.

The former Mexican official, who resigned from President Vicente Fox's Cabinet in 2003, acknowledged that Mexico must do more to crack down on organized crime gangs operating with near impunity along the Southwest border. He also spoke of the need for Mexico to control its southern border, which Central Americans and other foreigners cross en route to the U.S.

"More and more people in Mexico today understand that our southern border has to be brought back under control," he said. "We are having enormous problems with the Salvadoran gangs, the Mara Salvatrucha, in southern Mexico. We are having enormous problems with prostitution (and) drugs on our southern border."

The United States is confronted with a rising wave of foreigners using Mexico as a platform to cross illegally into the United States, Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar testified.

The Border Patrol is on pace to apprehend 148,000 non-Mexican illegal immigrants this year - nearly twice the 75,000 arrested last year, he said. As many as 4,000 non-Mexicans arrested this year are from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq and other countries known to harbor terrorists, said Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Dick Lugar, R-Ind.

[odysseus]

Next...

Mexican candidate says US needs to restrict firearms and ammunition like Mexico does. :rolleyes:

[R.H. Lee]

While Mexico has enhanced security since the Sept. 11 attacks, future cooperation hinges on U.S. willingness to liberalize its immigration policies, former Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda warned Congress on Tuesday.
The Senate Foreign Relations committee should have tossed him out of the building and had him escorted to the border the moment he took that threatening tone.

[dolanp]

So basically - "What we need is US policy to help us get rid of the people we don't want either! Oh and our cooperation fighting terrorism depends on you taking them too!"

[Sindawe]

How about we just declare all citizens of Mexico to now be U.S. citizens? Along with that, we militarily invade Mexico and assimilate it into the Union. That would solve the immigration problem right off.

As for Jorge Castaneda, he can just [Art's Grandma would blush]

[Biker]

Nope. I've seen Mexico and I didn't much care for it, which is part of the reason I'm pissed about millions of Mexicans dragging Mexico here with them.
Biker

[Harve Curry]

Jorge and his like deserve to be sent home in no uncertain terms. He has no manners and is confused. :neener:

I'm trying to remember the history, but when did Old Mexico ever fight on the same side as US in any war?

About 1906, the last Captain of the Arizona Rangers, Cpt.Tom Rynning had the blessing of the mayor of Agua Prieta when the mayor raised the American flag in that city. Cpt.Rynning invaded Mexico to stop the mining riots*. He had the will of the Mexican people to go all the way to Baja and claim it for the United States. The Mexican people were fed up then and this was just before the Mexican Revolution.
( *Mexican Federale Gen. Kosterlitski couldn't get there fast enough to suit Rynning.)

Today go to Nogales Sonora, 1 mile south of the border to the residential back streets. You will need 4wd low range to get up some of the side streets. Notice the white cotton in the bushes and trees, that's toilet paper and sanitary napkins blowing in the breeze. No flush toilets, a bucket and dump it twenty feet from the slump block room that is someones house. They have electricity, just screw in the light bulb to turn it on. Across the canyon you'll see fine hacienda's with swimming pools and high fancy iron fences.
Go back down the hill and notice the Federales walking around with full auto battle rifles and submachine guns. The local police might have there old revolvers on in worn leather holsters.
Oh yea, keep an eye out for the Mexican merchant half dragging 4 pillow cases full of Mexican pesos, thats probably about $400 dollars in our wallets.

Lets see Mexico clean there own house before we feather dust ours.

[wingman]

Question is when the US becomes like Mexico will Canada build a wall or just
let there country go down also. :banghead:

[Standing Wolf]

Mexico should mind its own wretched business.

[dasmi]

"There can be no future cooperation beyond what already exists without some form of immigration package," he told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during a border security hearing.
I can't say what came to mind when I read this. But it starts with an "F", and ends with a "you."

[lostone1413]

Don't you know King George has to do what his Boy Friend Fox wants him to do. Come now over 4000 per day just walk into our country. You really think King George cares about the safety of our country? You really believe the war in Iraq is to stop terrorism?

[dasmi]

You really think King George cares about the safety of our country? You really believe the war in Iraq is to stop terrorism?
Nope, not anymore. I did at first. I really wanted to believe that Bush was a good man, who cared for the safety of our Nation, but that isn't the case. He is like all the rest.

[rock jock]

I really wanted to believe that Bush was a good man, who cared for the safety of our Nation, but that isn't the case.
I disagree. I think that he believes what he is doing is in fact for the good of the country. I would also say that some of it is, but most is not. Bush's biggest problem is that he wants to please everyone, and ends up pleasing no one.

[longeyes]

Bush is doing what's good for his clan, which includes two Mexican nationals by birth, at least, numerous business ties south of the border, and what God, speaking pure Castilian Spanish, tells him is "the right thing to do." He's certainly not doing what as many as 80 per cent of the citizens of this country want him to do.

[longeyes]

Casteneda must be ingesting the same mushrooms as his second-cousin Carlos.

[Waitone]

Lets see Mexico clean there own house before we feather dust ours.One of the reasons V. Fox and his elitists want to export his own population is to vent the social pressure building because of the rampant corruption of the society. Notice those who flee to the US are not the ones living high up on the hog. It is the poor. Those who maybe worked the land up until they had to compete against American agribusiness. Maybe it was those who had factory jobs that went to Taiwan, then China, then Singapore, then India, etc.

By allowing unrestricted immigration from Mexico (and eventually other central and south American countries) Bush and other elites in the US are venting social pressure which would have gone to a productive purpose like revolution and destruction of the old order. It keeps the Mexicans from dealing with their problem in their own way and instead puts the day of reconing off to some point in the future.

[XLMiguel]

Mexicans need to saty home and fix their own **** country. They could start by dealing with this dweeb.

[Alex45ACP]

How about we just declare all citizens of Mexico to now be U.S. citizens?

They're working on it.

[Ohen Cepel]

If only we would fix this problem it wouldn't be a political issue for them.

This is a HUGE threat to our security and we need to fix it for our own interest and future.

Oh, and then we need to start telling the Mexican gov't what to do in our next election :evil:

[Marshall]

Jorge Castaneda......Isn't that the short bald guy on Seinfeld? :neener:

Oh yea, I find his attitude and comments deplorable. A Mexican Presidential candidate to the United States of America threatening this country for the betterment of his native country. We should strap his butt to a south bound horse with a burr under the saddle and fire a gun. That or get him a 68 Pimpala and make him Chief Lettuce Picker.



http://www.elsoldemexico.com.mx/impreso/050224/nacional/imagenes/7nacional.jpg

http://www.mercedimpalas.com/pimp.jpg

[Sheldon J]

Sure just as soon as Mexico decides to become 51st state and abide by our laws and constitution. Untill then lets hire the USSR to build us a wall and man it like they did in Berlin. :cuss:

[Eightball]

Despite the Mexico-US wall idea being harsh, i think it would work. Isreal is doing it, and they've since seen a decline in the "unwanted" of suicide bombers. Why doesn't the Mexican candidate just say "hey, invade and conquer us--that way, we'll be American citizens, and that's what we want to begin with" :scrutiny: ? Of course, I assume that some political faction would cry foul for either the wall (stopping immigration), or invasion (stopping immigration). Just my .02, now where's my flame suit.........

[Standing Wolf]

...Bush and other elites in the US are venting social pressure which would have gone to a productive purpose like revolution and destruction of the old order. It keeps the Mexicans from dealing with their problem in their own way and instead puts the day of reconing off to some point in the future.

I don't understand why Mexicans don't revolt. For that matter, I don't understand why Cubans don't revolt.

[Waitone]

We have the most mobile military the planet has ever seen. We have the most sophisticated elint mankind has ever created. We have fused the battlefield to the point it LOOKS like a video game.

We are now faced with an invasion and our solution is to build a wall. Sheesh. Israel's wall works because of the short length and high density of inhabitants.

Why not use our mobility and technical capability to harrass and interdict sticks of criminal aliens as they enter the US. Use our special operations capability to disrupt CA's staging areas. Create uncertainty in the badguys mind as to their success. Make them change their tactics and routes into the US. When they move to another area to set up shop, we move to the area and start it all over again.

If we can do it in Afghanistan on the border and in Iraq on the Syrian border (and we are) why in the hell can we not do precisely the same thing in the US. Oops! Silly me. We have the will in the stans and Iraq. We don't have the will here. Please note that what I suggest is exactly what the ragtag group of vigilantees called the Border Militia did to the consternation of Bush and his "What, Me Worry" elites.

[dasmi]

Why not use our mobility and technical capability to harrass and interdict sticks of criminal aliens as they enter the US. Use our special operations capability to disrupt CA's staging areas. Create uncertainty in the badguys mind as to their success. Make them change their tactics and routes into the US. When they move to another area to set up shop, we move to the area and start it all over again.
Because that would make too much sense, and would actually do the job.

[Rebar]

Hypocrite.

The Mexican army has sealed their Southern border, and Mexico deports more illegal aliens from their soil then the USA does!

Why is it fine-and-dandy for Mexicans to sneak into the USA, but seriously NOT ok for a Honduran or Panamanian to sneak into Mexico? And where is all this oil wealth going, we buy as much oil from Mexico as we do from Saudi.

Seems to me liberalization is called for, but not for US immigration policy.

[JOE MACK]

Don't you know King George has to do what his Boy Friend Fox wants him to do. Come now over 4000 per day just walk into our country. You really think King George cares about the safety of our country? You really believe the war in Iraq is to stop terrorism?

Well, it sure as HECK isn't the oil or everybody would be quarding the pipelines, wellheads, and pumping stations.

[longeyes]

Why not use our mobility and technical capability to harrass and interdict sticks of criminal aliens as they enter the US. Use our special operations capability to disrupt CA's staging areas. Create uncertainty in the badguys mind as to their success. Make them change their tactics and routes into the US. When they move to another area to set up shop, we move to the area and start it all over again.

If "we" wanted to stop the influx we could--with one serious talk with the honchos in Mexico City. But those same gov't honchos are actively promoting illegal emigration to the U.S., even claiming it's legal. And we--as .gov and the business community--are embracing the inflow.

The only ones who want illegal immigration stopped or reduced are the bulk of the American citizenry. And it is obvious we don't count.

[Pilgrim]

Castaneda, who is running as an independent in the 2006 presidential race, said security must be twinned with what he called the "whole enchilada" - legalization for the 6 million Mexicans living here illegally, visas for Mexicans desiring to come here in the future, and economic development for impoverished interior regions responsible for the exodus.

I'm surprised he left out a demand for health insurance.

Pilgrim

[longeyes]

I suggest we make clear to Mr. Castenada what the consequences will be if a major terrorist attack arrives via Mexico. He needs a wake-up call.

[NHBB]

talk about audacity, this guy is infuriating. sadly, I am sure there are plenty of others with the same mentality.

[R.H. Lee]

talk about audacity, this guy is infuriating. sadly, I am sure there are plenty of others with the same mentality. Yes, and why? Because it works for them; our 'leaders' are spineless kowtowing pc sycophants who roll over for this kind of arrogance, that's why.

[armoredman]

I live just north of the border, and the situation gets worse every day. If I could, I would emty out all the prisons we have full of Mexican Nationals today, and we'd be able to let a whole lot of officers take some long deserved vacations! But, since Mexico screamed FOUL over the idea of building a prison on thier soil and sending thier citizens back, we can't relax, and our units are full to bursting with scum who won't speak English, and have committed atrocities on American citizens while here illegally. Doesn't that still count as an act of war??? Or at least terrorism? It would be very nice if the so-called Patriot act could be twisted to say any illegal committing a crime in America could be classified a terrorist - Gitmo would be full quick. there very fact of being here is a crime - criminal trespass, at least!
Sorry, ranting.
Solution to Mexico - Iraquify the place.

[longeyes]

"Yes, and why? Because it works for them; our 'leaders' are spineless kowtowing pc sycophants who roll over for this kind of arrogance, that's why."

+1

And I'd love to see what percentage of Americans feel the same way. A LOT. One of these days a politician will grasp this and carve out a brand-new constituency that will rock this country to its foundations.

[longrifleman]

One of these days a politician will grasp this and carve out a brand-new constituency that will rock this country to its foundations.

Hillary Clinton's listening. Be afraid. Very afraid.

[wolf]

wait until CAFTA takes hold...the 25% increase of OTM(other than mexican) illegals that are crossing now will seem pale in comparison...

"we" didn't stop NAFTA...looks like "we" wont stop CAFTA...big green lights that say....welcome amigos...here ya go $$$$...

wolf

[lostone1413]

King George and his Boy Friend Fox want CAFTA. Anyone really think it matters what the American People want. King George is doing everything in his power to turn us into a third world country..

[Marshall]

lostone1413

Who would you rather be President of USA?

[Biker]

Speaking for myself, Tom Tancredo.
Biker

[czhen]

Standing Wolf quote
I don't understand why Mexicans don't revolt. For that matter, I don't understand why Cubans don't revolt.
-------

I will add Venezuelans,because they dont have guns. Secondly, about Catañeda like others worldwide politians is a Moron. Do you imagine this guy making laws.

CZhen
FL

[wingman]

Who would you rather be President of USA?


Someone who would stand up for America and that includes all citizens not
just the wealthy.

Sad to say not sure such a person exist that could make it through the process.

[Marshall]

Someone who would stand up for America and that includes all citizens not
Sad to say not sure such a person exist that could make it through the process.

Well, that's a most truthful answer. Thank you.

I am sure we all can write down a full page of what we want in a president and get as speficic as possible. The problem is, you are left with choices that may not meet all of what you want. There is not a man or woman out there that would be all of what everyone wants. Thus, the process you spoke of exists.

[308win]

Mexico looks like the perfect candidate for regime change. Everyone would win.

[308win]

Seems to me liberalization is called for, but not for US immigration policy.
Uh, maybe you mean liberation? :confused:

Viva Revolucion :evil:

[R.H. Lee]

Hey, I got an idea. Next time he or his buddies show up here, let's burn this flag http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~mirek/pictures/mexican-flag.gif and hang Vicente Fox in effigy. :p

As a matter of fact, when's the next big Mexican holiday? Let's do a huge group buy on little mexican flags and go out into the streets and torch them in protest of Mexico's 'export' policy. :evil:

[Marshall]

RileyMc,

Man, that's bad, but damn funny. :evil:

[lostone1413]

King George won't let you do that. Remember the Americans protecting the borders to him are vigilantes. Last I read in AZ here they figure about 40K per mo. crossing just in AZ. King George won't be happy until we to are a third world nation. The troops should be in this country on are borders

[wingman]

until we to are a third world nation.

I think this is key, at the very least a two class system, rich and working
poor.

[Rebar]

King George won't let you do that.
King Al or King John wouldn't have done anything either. And very well might have arrested and jailed the MM too.

[Asian Guy]

America's immigration policy is already very Liberal: out of all the White- majority countries, the U.S.A. allows the largest number of annual legal non-White immigrants: out of the 1 million legal immigrants arriving each year, 90% are non-White, the majority being Mexicans, followed by Filipinos. Muslims have the lowest legal entry rate for political reasons (Islamic influence would lower America's support for Israel and Jews). Currently, at least 30% of America is non-White, the largest non-White percentage of any White-majority nation.

Not only that, but in the U.S.A., Mexicans have the highest birth-rate out of all the ethnic groups, and it is predicted that Mexicans will become the ethnic majority by 2050, outnumbering Whites. So, how can America possibly become any more Liberal with respect to Mexican immigration?

[lostone1413]

Can't help but wonder. If you took GWB and all the members of the Senate and House in both parties. How many you think the founding fathers would accuse of treason? My money says way over 90%. Pretty good. In AZ they say we have about 40K a Mo. coming over illegal. How many have died in Iraq to protect them? Remember the election they had the big deal about protecting their border. Funny the ones who run this country care less about our freedoms and security. For 60 years seen our freedoms going down the tubes. Trouble never as fast as they have since 911

[DRZinn]

You really think King George cares about the safety of our country? You really believe the war in Iraq is to stop terrorism?Unbelievable. You're just absolutely unable to avoid relating the illegal immigration problem to the war in Iraq?

[TimH]

I haven't read all the posts so maybe someone has already said this. We should just overthrow the Mexican gov't and take over the country. That would make things easy.

[longeyes]

Funny...not a word here about illegal immigration, just the usual platitudes. We are slowly slouching toward a race war unless D.C. WAKES UP.


By DAN SEWELL, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jul 16, 5:01 PM ET

HAMILTON, Ohio - It started with the spray-painted, misspelled "Rapest" on the house of a Hispanic man accused of sexually assaulting a 9-year-old white girl. Then the house went up in flames in a suspected arson.

Confrontations, name-calling and threats against Hispanics followed. Men roamed the streets wearing pillowcases with eye holes, and Ku Klux Klansmen in hoods and robes showed up to pass out pamphlets. There were rumors of assaults and beatings.

Now this small Ohio river city's booming Hispanic population is cowed, the streets in their neighborhoods nearly deserted.

Outside the office of the Living Water Ministry, which two months ago drew hundreds of people to its first Cinco de Mayo festival, there is still a smell of charred wood from the June 21 fire that gutted the house next door and caused damage to the outside of the ministry's office.

"Before, the street would be covered with people, people out all over the place," said Sasha Amen, community outreach coordinator for Living Water. "There's a lot of fear now. People are shutting themselves in their homes."

Hamilton has been a hotbed for Hispanic growth in a state that has lagged behind much of the nation in Hispanic population. The number of Hispanics here jumped fivefold in the 1990s, to 1,566, and is now estimated at 4,000 or more in a city of some 61,000.

For the most part, the immigrants had settled in without much controversy in Hamilton, whose mayor in the 1990s was of Cuban descent. But life here was transformed on June 19, when a 9-year-old Caucasian girl was raped, allegedly by a Hispanic man who has apparently fled the city.

"Yes, there is fear," said Ramona Ramirez, who owns a corner deli-supermarket where she says business is off and her bread delivery man is now afraid to come. "They are attacking all the Hispanics, and it is only one person. We don't know what will happen."

Lupe Galvan, a Mexican-born woman who has been here five years, said some neighbors are talking about moving away.

City and community leaders are trying to heal the wounds, beefing up patrols and trying to calm the community, Mayor Don Ryan said Friday. Ryan said authorities are stressing that the rape was "strictly a random act of violence" and not racially motivated.

"We're continuing to be a melting pot in this country," he said. "Assimilating into our culture is tough; I firmly believe that it will take time."

While the anti-Hispanic backlash has stunned many of the immigrants, some say they've felt racial prejudice here before. The Rev. Eustaquio Recalde, a native of Paraguay, says he was often harassed and ridiculed while working a factory job as the lone Hispanic employee.

"I think it's been around," Recalde said. "This was an opportunity for a few people to express it."

Ezra Escudero, executive director of the Ohio Commission on Hispanic/Latino Affairs in Columbus, says Hamilton is not alone in feeling tension in a state where the Hispanic population has doubled to nearly 280,000 since 1990.

"The challenge for the community is whether the tragedy will bring out the best or the worst in people," he said.

Shelly Jarrett Bromberg, an assistant professor of Spanish and Latin American studies at Miami University in Oxford, has helped organize two community forums since the fire. She called the Hamilton unrest an important moment for local Hispanics, churches, police and public officials.

"I think everyone realizes that we need to have a dialogue ... to make the community feel safe and feel that they have a voice," Bromberg said. "I think there are a lot of people who want to make this work out."

[wingman]

We are slowly slouching toward a race war unless D.C. WAKES UP.

I agree Longeyes, it really appears that way, what you see is a society
that is fragmenting due to uncontrolled immigration and greed on the
part of corporate America,(we can work them cheap and sell over priced
goods to same). Like it or not the quality of life will change if it continues,
but the problem lies in finding a leader who will make some unpopular
and tough decisions.

[Biker]

Sadly, I believe that you're right Longeyes. This country is becoming balkanized and La Raza, Mecha (motto:For those of the race, everything. For those not of the race, nothing.) and other Hispanic groups who openly promote racism and the reconquista of Aztlan are, I believe, hoping for a widespread confontation.
Biker :rolleyes:

[Waitone]

What I find so interesting about the whole illegal immigration issue is the faultline is not left vs right, liberal vs conservative, or libertarian vs statist.

The faultline seems to be ruling class // taxpaying class.

The other interesting factor shows a wide gap and perception of a problem. Polls I've seen show an 80%-20% split on the perception of a need to fix the problem. While there has always been class warfare in our society, it strikes me unusual to have class warfare across such a wide spectrum of the political categories.

It is inherently dangerous for a ruling class to get into a situation where it is completely at odds with its taxpaying class and yet that appears to be what we face.

Interesting <strokes whiskers>

[Rebar]

I think this will change 180 degrees come next election.

I predict it will become a major campaign issue, it has to, and I also predict all candidates will run as fast as they can towards the fortify the border position.

Except the libertarians of course.

[Marshall]

It is inherently dangerous for a ruling class to get into a situation where it is completely at odds with its taxpaying class and yet that appears to be what we face.

Who is this ruling class? If you are calling the rich the ruling class, surely you're not suggesting they don't pay taxes?

[lostone1413]

Unbelievable. You're just absolutely unable to avoid relating the illegal immigration problem to the war in Iraq?

1- The illegals coming into the country does have something to do with the security of America
2- The ones who have you in Iraq want you to believe that we are their for the security of America

If making the borders secure in Iraq is so important to our security I can't help but wonder why isn't our southern border just as important.

Guess if someone broke into your house you'd go to another state looking for him before you made sure your own house was secure. Wonder what will be said when we have the next attack and the terrorist walked in. If you don't think their is a good chance of that guess you never talked to any BP Agents. All i've talked to figure that is very likely. But I know some don't want the borders secure. Heck they are making to much money with the illegal help. See it everyday in the border states. Maybe tiome to say the H**L with Iraq lets have the troops protect our borders.