OMG!!! I Actually Got A "Real" Response From My Rep. On SB 357


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Carnitas
July 19, 2005, 01:33 PM
A couple weeks ago I sent my Assemblyman a letter reguqrding SB 357. My particular concerns were reguarding the "Bill Analysis" prepared by the public safety comittee.

The text from my original email is presented below and was posted to THR here. http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=143204&page=3

"I'm writing reguarding SB357.

In reading the Assembly Commitee Bill Analysis I found several errors which overstate the feasibility and attractiveness of the legislation.

1)On page 11, first paragraph, it states that costs to manufacturers would be minimal ($300 to $500k) for the engraving material. While this may be a reasonable cost of the engraving equipment, it ignores the fact that they would have to change their process to create lots of 50 instead of 10's of throusands. It also ignores the fact that for the information to be usable for crime fighting chain-of-custody would have to be maintained through the whole process. Also, with criminal prosecution in the wind for any mistakes in manufacture or distribution its reasonable to expect that higher profits would be expected by all persons in the distribution chain.

2) Also on page 11. There is a comment relating to Fifth Amendment "Takings" clause problems which may be associated with this bill. Glaringly absent is any mention of a 2nd Amendment problem. Proposing a Second Amendment that didnt include ammo is like proposing a First Amendment that doesnt include paper for the printing press.

3) On page 14 under the "Arguements Against". Representative of all the major ammunition manufactures have made statements in opposition to this legislation. Their comments are nicely summarised at www.saami.org. If the comments of the people who would actually be charged with complying with this legislation are not germain I cant imagine what is.

4) The document ignores the fact that numbered ammunition has never been commercially produced. The proponents of this bill cannot place in your hand a single box of comercially produced serialized ammo. This point should be made in the analysis.

I dont know how to, or who to write to correct these defficiencies.... Since you're my Assemblyman, I'm bringing it to you. I trust you'll forward my concerns to the proper persons.

Sincerely,"

Today I recieved a leter that actually addresses the content of my letter. This is a first for me. Here's what my assemblyman had to say.

Dear Carnitas–

Thank you for contacting me regarding your concerns with the analysis of SB 357, which requires the serialization of ammunition. I appreciate hearing your concerns.

As is typical of the committee process, the consultants who write the analysis are generally members of the majority party. Since California’s Legislature is dominated by Democrats, the committee consultants are almost all Democrats as well. As such, analyses are usually skewed to the left and are very often not objective in their remarks. The specific analysis you refer to in your letter to me was written by the Assembly Public Safety Committee, which is notorious for taking a soft position on criminals and a very hard line on law abiding gun owners.

For example, just this past March, every single Democrat in the Public Safety Committee voted against a measure that would have prevented persons convicted of a sexually violent felony from lessoning their time in prison through work credits. One month later, these same Democrats voted to criminalize the cropping of dog ears. It is ironic and very sad that the committee would put the protection of dog ears higher on their list of priorities than children.

The only way to really change this anti-gun owner attitude so prevalent on the left is to elect new members who respect the 2nd Amendment. Until then, I am afraid you will keep reading analyses such as this one. Fortunately, the Republican caucus writes their own analyses so that Republican members can see arguments that the committee leaves out.

I will vote against this measure should I have the opportunity to do so. Since the analysis will not be changed, it is important that you contact the Governor and let him know your feelings on this subject. Again, thank you for contacting me on this important issue.


Sincerely,

Assemblyman Tim Leslie

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Henry Bowman
July 19, 2005, 02:18 PM
Congratualtions to you! You have a keeper there.

TheGoodLife
July 19, 2005, 02:20 PM
Wow.

Carnitas you did a great job on your letter, and the response you got was very personal and dealt with the issues.

I hope you can share that response with others, maybe in other gun forums.

There should be some outrage over the group voting for dogs and against children also. That is one of the most pathetic things I've heard.

For example, just this past March, every single Democrat in the Public Safety Committee voted against a measure that would have prevented persons convicted of a sexually violent felony from lessoning their time in prison through work credits. One month later, these same Democrats voted to criminalize the cropping of dog ears. It is ironic and very sad that the committee would put the protection of dog ears higher on their list of priorities than children.

If one needs any evidence of where the left is at, or where they are taking us, that should suffice. :barf:

I wonder if the folks in your area have any idea about the matter referred to.

LAR-15
July 19, 2005, 03:15 PM
Nice letter!

And your rep gets it.

Balog
July 19, 2005, 03:20 PM
Especially amazing considering he's from the PRK.

MrTuffPaws
July 19, 2005, 03:31 PM
I was with him up until the "save the children" part. I am so sick of hearing that.

TheGoodLife
July 19, 2005, 03:39 PM
Mr Tuffpaws said

I was with him up until the "save the children" part. I am so sick of hearing that.

I don't understand your comment from having read the same letter, would you mind explaining what you are referring to?

RevDisk
July 19, 2005, 03:52 PM
For example, just this past March, every single Democrat in the Public Safety Committee voted against a measure that would have prevented persons convicted of a sexually violent felony from lessoning their time in prison through work credits. One month later, these same Democrats voted to criminalize the cropping of dog ears. It is ironic and very sad that the committee would put the protection of dog ears higher on their list of priorities than children.

Let me get this right. Democrats voted against a unspecified measure changing the parole system. Some time AFTER that, they banned cropping of ears. Seems like the vote on the parole changes were a higher priority.

And of course, the given answer is vote Republican. Uh, isn't the gov of California a Republican, and hasn't he signed a number of anti-2A bills? If people want to vote straight party lines, tis their business. I will merely continue to vote for specific folks that are pro-freedom regardless of their party affiliation. I encourage others to do so also. To each their own.

Sawdust
July 19, 2005, 04:20 PM
Uh, isn't the gov of California a Republican, and hasn't he signed a number of anti-2A bills?

Not that I am one eager to jump to the Terminator's defense, but of the few anti bills that crossed his desk last session he vetoed all but one.

That one was the ban of the .50BMG.

Sawdust

Carnitas
July 19, 2005, 04:41 PM
I was with him up until the "save the children" part. I am so sick of hearing that.

His point was that the Public Safety Comittee voted in FAVOR of protecting dogs ears from cropping, but voted AGAINST keeping voilent sexual predators off the street for as long as possible. I believe the use of the "save the children" line was an attempt to throw the liberals rhetorical cliche back in their face.

MrTuffPaws
July 19, 2005, 05:15 PM
^^^^^

Doubtful, being that all politicos use the same rhetoric. Of course there is no info on what the actual bills said, nor if and how he voted on them. Look, I am glad that this guy is pro-gun, but using the cheap shots to politicalize and demonize his opponents is just the crap I don't want to hear.

For once it would be so nice to hear someone in office stick to the subject instead of sticking it to the opponents.

Carnitas
July 19, 2005, 05:40 PM
I think he stuck to the subject beautyfully.

He explained why the analysis was the way it was, gave an example of the priorities of the PSC, explained what it would take to fix the PSC, reaffirmed his support for the second, and told me what he thought was the best way for me to continue persueing this.

If you think providing an example of how the PSC operates constitutes "sticking it to the opponents", you be positively appalled at what I would be saying if I were in the Assemblyman's shoes.

thorn726
July 20, 2005, 07:30 AM
NICE! a thread my signature doesn't belong in, sorry for that!
thanks!

this though-

For example, just this past March, every single Democrat in the Public Safety Committee voted against a measure that would have prevented persons convicted of a sexually violent felony from lessoning their time in prison through work credits. One month later, these same Democrats voted to criminalize the cropping of dog ears. It is ironic and very sad that the committee would put the protection of dog ears higher on their list of priorities than children.

What? so stupid. how about you just give the violent offenders longer sentences. make the work credit moot!
taking away the work credit opens the door for a legal battle over unfair treatment, forced labor, etc.
they need to keep the prisoners busy.

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