Can not cleaning guns permanently damage them?


July 19, 2005, 04:04 PM
Just like the topic says. My buddy has some guns he's trying to sell me but he doesn't clean them.

Also, I just bought a P3AT and everyone says I need to lube it before I shoot it, what kind of lube do I need and what's the correct procedure?

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July 19, 2005, 04:06 PM
If they haven't been used to shoot corrosive ammo or allowed to rust the non-cleaning prolly wouldn't damage them. However, lack of maintenane is generally indicative of an abusive relationship. I'd inspect the weapons closely.

July 19, 2005, 04:09 PM
Not cleaning a muzzleloader is the quickest way to kill it. That is, when using true blackpowder or pyrodex. The newer BP replica's: cleanshot, Pioneer, and my fav, 777, aren't very corrosive at all.

July 19, 2005, 04:10 PM
What should I inspect on them? I've been with him just about everytime he shoots them. He's real careful with them, he just doesn't clean them.

July 19, 2005, 04:15 PM
Lack of cleaning has more than one aspect. Just crud build-up etc will not actually usually harm a gun mechanically, altho in some cases if enough builds up it can create reliability issues.

Other side of the coin is - is uncleaned barrel so copper fouled as to be near impossible to get clean?. Are revo chambers in .357 ringed with 38 spl fouling? - this can be real tricky after a long time.

Most important - has this neglect resulted in undesirable effects internally? That would be my major concern. Has grit got in - has moisture got in? What hidden surprises are in store. If someone is lax enough to never clean then who knows what else has been neglected? I do not clean as assiduously as some but I do stay on top of important aspects that can affect reliability.

To make a fair price for guns like this would for me require a strip and clean to evaluate before buying - then come to a fair price - all might be well and cleaning might be successful. There again, surprises may be waiting!!

The P3AT - minimalist lube to internals - basically what you can see after field strip - VERY modest touch of Mobil 1 maybe. For slide rails and frame - a good quality grease that is OK on polymer. Good ol' RIG is effective, then there is Superlube, Militec1 grease (tho intended primarily for metal/metal surfaces). These lil' guns benefit from very regular cleaning IMO to avoid problems.

In essence, don't shoot the gun totally dry and you should be good. Give feedramp a nice buffing too while stripped down.

Standing Wolf
July 19, 2005, 06:17 PM
Dirty guns are worth less than clean.

July 19, 2005, 07:49 PM
Last week, I went shooting for the first time in longer than I care to admit. (I think it had been over a year!) :eek:

I had been a total idiot lazy loser and hadn't cleaned the guns after that shooting session. So when I went this time, I fired the dirty guns and then cleaned them afterward. (Well, so far I've cleaned two of the five, the important ones.) One was my HK USP40, the other a Glock 27. Neither shows any kind of ill effect of having been left uncleaned after a shooting session over a year ago.

In fact, both functioned absolutely without problems for about a hundred rounds each last week.

This is a testament to the idea that not cleaning a gun will not necessarily cause damage, and also to the fact that HKs and Glocks can do just fine even when dirty (as can many guns, I'm sure).


July 19, 2005, 08:01 PM
It's no different than a dirty car. It shows lack of maintainence, care and love. I would no more buy a dirty gun than a dirty car or a dirty anything else. If the current owner can't even bother cleaning it before selling it, then he can sell them to someone else and if it's something I really want, he can watch while I clean and inspect it. If he won't allow me to clean it, then he can keep it.

July 20, 2005, 11:24 AM
As long as you're using non-corrosive ammo, cleaning them too much can be worse, depending on the cleaning method.

Moderation in all things.

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