Can not cleaning guns permanently damage them?


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joey93turbo
July 19, 2005, 05:04 PM
Just like the topic says. My buddy has some guns he's trying to sell me but he doesn't clean them.

Also, I just bought a P3AT and everyone says I need to lube it before I shoot it, what kind of lube do I need and what's the correct procedure?

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Balog
July 19, 2005, 05:06 PM
If they haven't been used to shoot corrosive ammo or allowed to rust the non-cleaning prolly wouldn't damage them. However, lack of maintenane is generally indicative of an abusive relationship. I'd inspect the weapons closely.

smokemaker
July 19, 2005, 05:09 PM
Not cleaning a muzzleloader is the quickest way to kill it. That is, when using true blackpowder or pyrodex. The newer BP replica's: cleanshot, Pioneer, and my fav, 777, aren't very corrosive at all.

joey93turbo
July 19, 2005, 05:10 PM
What should I inspect on them? I've been with him just about everytime he shoots them. He's real careful with them, he just doesn't clean them.

P95Carry
July 19, 2005, 05:15 PM
Lack of cleaning has more than one aspect. Just crud build-up etc will not actually usually harm a gun mechanically, altho in some cases if enough builds up it can create reliability issues.

Other side of the coin is - is uncleaned barrel so copper fouled as to be near impossible to get clean?. Are revo chambers in .357 ringed with 38 spl fouling? - this can be real tricky after a long time.

Most important - has this neglect resulted in undesirable effects internally? That would be my major concern. Has grit got in - has moisture got in? What hidden surprises are in store. If someone is lax enough to never clean then who knows what else has been neglected? I do not clean as assiduously as some but I do stay on top of important aspects that can affect reliability.

To make a fair price for guns like this would for me require a strip and clean to evaluate before buying - then come to a fair price - all might be well and cleaning might be successful. There again, surprises may be waiting!!



The P3AT - minimalist lube to internals - basically what you can see after field strip - VERY modest touch of Mobil 1 maybe. For slide rails and frame - a good quality grease that is OK on polymer. Good ol' RIG is effective, then there is Superlube, Militec1 grease (tho intended primarily for metal/metal surfaces). These lil' guns benefit from very regular cleaning IMO to avoid problems.

In essence, don't shoot the gun totally dry and you should be good. Give feedramp a nice buffing too while stripped down.

Standing Wolf
July 19, 2005, 07:17 PM
Dirty guns are worth less than clean.

peacefuljeffrey
July 19, 2005, 08:49 PM
Last week, I went shooting for the first time in longer than I care to admit. (I think it had been over a year!) :eek:

I had been a total idiot lazy loser and hadn't cleaned the guns after that shooting session. So when I went this time, I fired the dirty guns and then cleaned them afterward. (Well, so far I've cleaned two of the five, the important ones.) One was my HK USP40, the other a Glock 27. Neither shows any kind of ill effect of having been left uncleaned after a shooting session over a year ago.

In fact, both functioned absolutely without problems for about a hundred rounds each last week.

This is a testament to the idea that not cleaning a gun will not necessarily cause damage, and also to the fact that HKs and Glocks can do just fine even when dirty (as can many guns, I'm sure).

-Jeffrey

3rdpig
July 19, 2005, 09:01 PM
It's no different than a dirty car. It shows lack of maintainence, care and love. I would no more buy a dirty gun than a dirty car or a dirty anything else. If the current owner can't even bother cleaning it before selling it, then he can sell them to someone else and if it's something I really want, he can watch while I clean and inspect it. If he won't allow me to clean it, then he can keep it.

middy
July 20, 2005, 12:24 PM
As long as you're using non-corrosive ammo, cleaning them too much can be worse, depending on the cleaning method.

Moderation in all things.

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