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Mixlesplick
July 20, 2005, 04:49 AM
The bank was robbed Monday about twenty minutes after I left. Yes, I was armed at the time and yes I am glad I was already gone when it happened. No one was hurt and there were no weapons seen.

I usually glance around the lobby and at the glass fronted offices when I enter the bank. I don't know if I would have realized what was happening if I had seen it, though, unless I saw stacks of money being handed over.


Silent woman bank robber hitsRoosevelt Park National City
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
By Lisa Medendorp
CHRONICLE STAFF WRITER

The bank robbery suspect didn't say a word Monday afternoon as she passed a note to a teller at the National City Bank branch, 878 W. Norton, demanding money.

She even brought her own bag for the cash.

"It was almost like a large purse, about the size of a beach bag," said Roosevelt Park Police Chief William Wiebenga. The "stiff-sided bag" was dark blue, he said.


Once the female robber had the money -- the amount wasn't disclosed by police -- she fled west on Norton Avenue in a silver, late-model Chevrolet, possibly a Malibu. The license plate had been covered with a yellow piece of paper.

The suspect also implied she had a weapon during the robbery, Wiebenga said.

The holdup was reported at 2:12 p.m.

Wiebenga said the woman appeared to be Hispanic and may have been 17-to-20 years old. She was slender and stood 5-foot-5 to 5-foot-7. She had curly black hair and wore a long white T-shirt and denim shorts.

"She was wearing a ball cap with some type of logo on the front of it," Wiebenga said, adding that although there were customers in the bank, "I'm not even sure they knew what happened."

Wiebenga acknowledged that it is somewhat unusual to have a woman rob a bank. He said there have been no other recent reports in the West Michigan area involving a female bank robber.

The FBI office in Grand Rapids was contacted to aid in the investigation.

The last time a bank was robbed in Roosevelt Park was in 1999. The former AmeriBank branch, 3145 Henry, was held up on April 26 by a man who discussed opening an account with a teller, then suddenly demanded money and implied he had a gun in his pocket.

The robber calmly walked out of the bank with the money. Despite an investigation by police and the FBI, no arrest ever was made in the case.

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Snake Eyes
July 20, 2005, 04:53 AM
Despite an investigation by police and the FBI, no arrest ever was made in the case.

I don't know what the current stats are, but the last time I looked over 50% of bank robberies are never solved.

The problem seems to be getting away with ONE and then getting greedy and going back for more.

I pretty well convinced that a relatively intelligent person (rules me out) could make a pretty decent living robbing banks.

Azrael256
July 20, 2005, 05:12 AM
I don't know what the current stats are, but the last time I looked over 50% of bank robberies are never solved. I always thought the percentage was much higher than that, but looking around, the FBI is calling it ~58% clearance on bank robbery. Evidently that's actually pretty high, as robberies go.

A friend who worked as a teller for several years said that it's only a matter of time before you experience a robbery. If you run the till for more than a year, you're pretty much guaranteed to experience some sort of "hand over the cash" event. She also told me that somebody trying to pass a bad check of one description or another, in person, no less, happens about three times a week. Most of those types of frauds occur in the drive-up lane. You know, the one where the camera looks at your face, your car, and your license plate. It's easier to look at a plate and figure out where you live than it is to just look at your face. Evidently fraudsters don't know that. Oh well. I guess criminals don't typically have a real high IQ.

mfree
July 20, 2005, 09:12 AM
"It's easier to look at a plate and figure out where you live than it is to just look at your face. Evidently fraudsters don't know that."

This one was above the mark then.... driving a throughly common vehicle, probably a rental, and covered the license plate.

Purely hypothetically, my choice in getaway vehicle would be decided by driving around a 5-10 mile radius of my mark and noting what kind and color of vehicle I saw... anything in the double digits is fair game. Around here that's probably be what I'm driving now, a newish white GMC or S10...

Snake Eyes
July 20, 2005, 02:00 PM
I recall a recent--within the last 30 days--string of bank robberies here in Phoenix, as yet unsolved, where the female robber calmly left the bank and got into a waiting taxi cab.

Freaking brilliant.

I believe she hit three banks in one day and disappearred.


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dasmi
July 20, 2005, 02:03 PM
I don't know what the current stats are, but the last time I looked over 50% of bank robberies are never solved.
I'm in the wrong line of work, I think.

AZ Heat
July 20, 2005, 02:21 PM
I was in banking for several years and we had two armed robberies. A guy walked in with a mask, waiving a gun at everyone and screaming to get down on the ground. I'll tell you what... you can talk tough all you want until that happens. I hit the ground and just waited for him to leave with the cash. The FBI said it was the same guy both times. It was about one year apart. I don't think they ever did catch that guy either.

silverlance
July 20, 2005, 03:07 PM
no way in hell id draw to save my bank some money.

the only time i ever draw is to protect lives.

El Rojo
July 20, 2005, 03:49 PM
Why don't many crooks hold up gun stores? Everyone is armed. Why not arm your bank tellers? In this case for example, there is no visible gun. Draw and hold on them. If they do anything remotely threatening, shoot em. Or just shoot em. Either way, you will find out real quick if they are armed or not. If I owned a bank, my employees would openly carry. Heck take every other Monday morning off for company range time and training. Put a sign on the door, "Employees at Firearms Training: Open at Noon." Lets see how often I would get held up.

torpid
July 20, 2005, 03:49 PM
no way in hell id draw to save my bank some money.

the only time i ever draw is to protect lives.


Good to hear that you avoid being "overdrawn".

:)

Working Man
July 20, 2005, 06:50 PM
El Rojo, that's the best idea I heard in a long time.

I can see the application now....

1) Please list all firearms you are proficient with.
2) What caliber handgun are you most comfortable with?

silverlance
July 20, 2005, 06:52 PM
sorry, buddy,... but i probably woudlnt' bank with you unless you hired only full-grown adults who have all been certificated and gone through something like front sight.

the idea of 18 year old kids with 357 mags under the table gives me the heebie jeebies....

Standing Wolf
July 20, 2005, 07:07 PM
the idea of 18 year old kids with 357 mags under the table gives me the heebie jeebies....

Some of us seem to believe the Second Amendment is for members of the special club only.

buy guns
July 20, 2005, 07:11 PM
the idea of 18 year old kids with 357 mags under the table gives me the heebie jeebies....


but you dont mind having your country defended by 18 year olds driving tanks and carrying full auto rifles? age has alot less to do with maturity than you would think.

jobu07
July 20, 2005, 07:11 PM
Why don't many crooks hold up gun stores? Everyone is armed. Why not arm your bank tellers?

My local bank had it's 100 year anniversery last summer if memory serves correct. So to celebrate they found a bunch of old photos to spruce the places up, make exhibits in each of the branches, etc. One of the photos showed about 12 tellers in on branch, posing for the photo, and each one had a revolver cradled in their arms along with the branch manager holding a shotgun. I found the photo pretty amusing, but that bank was never robbed until after sometime in the early part of the century and when they dropped the armed teller policy.

My opinion, and take it for what it is worth, nothing at all is wrong with arming a bunch of 21 year old colllege kids who are working the counter at the banks. Issuing them a .357 revolver should be as regular for them as the pen they get. It should also be covered in their training with certain things. This is how you count money rapidly, this is how you handle upset customers, this is the proper way to deal with your clients, etc etc. This is the proper way to utilize your side arm. This is the appropriate time to use your sidearm. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

DirtyBrad
July 20, 2005, 07:37 PM
"Overdrawn", hahaha.

I worked at a beer-wine-deli next to a bank for about seven years. Literally every November they'd get hit. I was pretty close with one of the tellers and he quit because he'd had a gun in his face one too many times. Their theory was that the robbers were getting Christmas money.

It was well known in the neighborhood that my bosses all carried. We got robbed zero times. That's despite us being the local booze shop and dealing with the seediest guys in the neighborhood night after night. No coincidence, I'm sure.

Working Man
July 20, 2005, 07:51 PM
I agree, full training is a must.
Also as long as the laws state that the legal age to carry a hand gun
is 21 so too should be the tellers who are armed. They also should be
bonded and insured by the bank.

PaladinVC
July 20, 2005, 07:53 PM
Torpid, "overdrawn" is the best joke that could be made on this thread, as near as I can tell. Rather than try to top it, I'll tip my hat to you.

And I'll add that when that 58% split is between making a bagful of money in one day and going to jail for a few years, I'll fold, thank you.

El Rojo
July 20, 2005, 11:23 PM
Everyone is free to shop where they want. My bank would have all of the tellers armed. If they aren't smart enough to carry a handgun on their side, they aren't smart enough to count my money. Besides I have been noticing that Washington Mutual enjoys employee younger, cute females that wear low cut outfits. I would feel less like a pervert if I could stare at the Kimber on her hip instead.

If my young/old/male/female tellers make you nervous, take your business elsewhere. That would be my motto. I would love to see who would hold us up. I would think the open carry by at least 5 or more employees would make a robber seek employment elsewhere. After all, why hit a hard bank when you can go to an easy one?

So as your shopping at your local bank with your young unarmed tellers and multiple robbers come in and start pistol whipping people and shooting witnesses, you might start reconsidering giving an 18 year old a gun, but by then it is too late.

JOE MACK
July 20, 2005, 11:51 PM
if arming all tellers would be a good idea. It depends on how much of a low-life the robber is in each case. If they've got nothing to lose, they may have cased the place, seen the armed tellers, and decided to just walk in and shoot them all. There are people just that ruthless and if they came in with a crew like them it would be a bad scene. :what:

dcloudy777@aol.com
July 21, 2005, 12:15 AM
Actually, Joe, the crew would be WAY more likely to just rob the bank across the street without those pesky armed tellers. I spent about 2 years as an armored truck crewman, and I always said the best thing I had going for me were all the screw-off jacka$$es that crewed alot of the other trucks. You don't have to be to the toughest target, just tougher than the next guy...

DanO

greg531mi
July 21, 2005, 04:43 AM
It's like the guy with the German Shepard, would you break into his house, or the house with no dog?
Preps are dumb, but they do have some sense. They go after the easist target, the old lady with the social security cash, the old lady at the supermarket parking lot, they have a couple of preps that do that around here, hit little old ladies and steal their purses. They killed one a couple of months ago, push her to the ground and hit her head.
A gun is a great equalier, the biggest, baddest prep will back off with a gun pointed at them.
Tell that to the anti's!!!

El Rojo
July 21, 2005, 05:08 AM
There are people just that ruthless and if they came in with a crew like them it would be a bad scene.This is the exact logic some anti's use to argue that we shouldn't be able to carry a gun in public. The bad guys might be provoked as they committ their violent felony and decide to shoot everyone instead of simply beating everyone and taking their money. Nevermind that your hypothetical ruthless crew has complete rein over the bank that isn't armed with just about zero chance of anyone stopping them. No give the good guys a few guns and it is a bad idea because someone might get hurt. Someone like the bad guys.

Sorry, unless you are bringing through a whole lot of money, no one is going to try to hold up a bank with openly armed tellers, even if they are bad and have guns. Bad guys are not stupid. Plus, if you have six armed employees, what are the odds that unless the bad guys have at least 9 and more like 12, that at least one of the bad guys is going to get killed? Pretty good. Why on earth would you take those odds when you can hit up another bank where your odds of getting out alive are much better?

Sorry this be scared of what bad people might do as they are violating your rights so you shouldn't be armed rational just isn't cutting it.

Firethorn
July 21, 2005, 05:26 AM
Exactly.

I don't know the number of times anti's have gone 'but the bg would have the advantage'.

I'm sorry, but statistically speaking, the good guys win the majority of armed confrontations.

I mean, you hear stories all the time about store clerks taking out BG's with guns currently pointed at them. Or at least we do.

NineseveN
July 21, 2005, 11:23 AM
El Rojoe, I want to be a customer at your bank. :D

El Rojo
July 21, 2005, 08:03 PM
Sorry, I probably won't be in the banking business anytime soon, but I should have my FFL soon for those of you in the Kern County area.

chaim
July 21, 2005, 08:06 PM
A friend who worked as a teller for several years said that it's only a matter of time before you experience a robbery. If you run the till for more than a year, you're pretty much guaranteed to experience some sort of "hand over the cash" event.

That depends upon where you are.

I worked at several banks and a credit union for 5 1/2 years. Not all as a teller, but all was spent in bank branches. I worked at several different locations.

I was never once robbed. None of the branches I worked at ever were robbed even when I was off. One of the banks I worked for didn't see any of their 2-3 dozen branches robbed the year I worked for them (I was a floater, meaning I worked as either a teller or account manager as needed at whichever Baltimore area branch needed me). I guess I'm just good luck.

I also knew many people who worked in bank branches for years (one woman with 20 years) who had never seen a robbery.

It is always a possibility but it is not as drastic as what you say makes it out to be.

KadicDeshi
July 21, 2005, 08:11 PM
El Rojoe, I want to be a customer at your bank.

Forget that, I wanna work there! :neener: Just imagine a job where you are not only allowed but encouraged to carry a firearm. (Other than at a gun store, of course)

Barrett

silverlance
July 22, 2005, 12:47 AM
yes, I agree - age does not equal maturity or lack thereof.
and I guess I'd be ok with it - hell, I was carrying when I was 18 - but I guess my reaction was in fond memory of the idiots that banks often hire - at least around here.

and as to soliders..

i believe that we should send only terminally ill cancer patients to fight our wars, and the other side should do the same. oh, add pro-life militant fanatics, libertairan socialist green nationalists, and all the crips and bloods you can round up...

what?

they're already in the army?

damn.

-grin-

I'm just kdding... kind of. I met a lot of wierd ppl when worked for the military...

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